Just got back from playing from Super Mario Galaxy!

[SolidSnake365]

Just got back from Gamestop after paying of SMG I went to go play it and OMG it is awesome!!!!!! The graphics are soooooooooooo good for a Wii game! I can not wait till next Monday!!! The gameplay is pure fun and the controls are easy to!!! MUST BUY!!!

[Feli]

wait, what?

you bought it? or you played at gamestop, a demo or something? clarify!

I want a Wii before november 12th

[SolidSnake365]

Gamestop already has the game they just cant sell it till the 12th and yea they had the full game on display so I got to play it!!!!

[rikwakefield]

Good to hear from a fellow gamer that Galaxy is good. I've recently bought a Wii for this very game .

[lordmadjack]

Smart move, thats why I bought one, nintendo games...third party may be less than stellar, but you can alway count on Nintendo games

[Feli]

wah. yeah someone was telling me about how it leaked online for download. he has a modded Wii so he's playing it now.

so why is Nintendo waiting till Nov. 12th if the games complete?

[SolidSnake365]

Idk but I think I am going to be dieing alot this month:
I am dieing for Thurs. to come for Uncharted demo
I am dieing for next Mon. for SMG
I am dieing for Nov.19th for Uncharted!
I am dieing for Chrtismas for my HDTV, GH3,HAZE,AC, and Timeshift
I am dieing for Feb. for SSBB
I am dieing for Q2 08 FOR MGS4!!!!

[Wingnut]

Idk but I think I am going to be dieing alot this month:
I am dieing for Thurs. to come for Uncharted demo
I am dieing for next Mon. for SMG
I am dieing for Nov.19th for Uncharted!
I am dieing for Chrtismas for my HDTV, GH3,HAZE,AC, and Timeshift
I am dieing for Feb. for SSBB
I am dieing for Q2 08 FOR MGS4!!!!

That's a lot of dying, or dieing

[SolidSnake365]

ZOMG!!! I am soooooo tired sry lol I cant believe i spelled dying dieing anyway yea

[ImSiCkOfYoU]

thats nice to hear. btw where have u been? havent seen you on warhawk

[SolidSnake365]

Yea I know ^ I have just BEEN so busy with school but I figured out a new schedule so I can play more

[Stars2099]

I played it at walmart too! It's a very solid platformer, but with my limited 15 min impression, I found controls awkward to get used to and difficulty to be too easy. But I've noticed this easyness trend with alot of nintendo's new games. regardless with the flaws, it's a good platformer with great wii graphics. Anyone else find feeding this small creatures little stars kinda weird?

[seebs]

The "easy" is intentional -- and applies only to some parts of the game. They've put in plenty of much harder things elsewhere.

[Dom102]

Sounds good, I cant wait to pick this one up. This will be the numero uno reason out of three that I got a Wii in the first place. The other two being SSBB and Iwata's new franchise.

[seebs]

Iwata's new franchise?

Do tell.

[Azu]

Iwata's new franchise?

Do tell.

He probably meant Miyamoto's new franchise, which, disappointingly, turned out to be yet another family game instead of being something amazingly unique & fun like Pikmin and, to some extent, Nintendogs.

[seebs]

Linky?

I've found a bunch of pages talking about an announcement that there will be such an announcement, but nothing identifying exactly what it is.

[Avrum]

He probably meant Miyamoto's new franchise, which, disappointingly, turned out to be yet another family game instead of being something amazingly unique & fun like Pikmin and, to some extent, Nintendogs.

You mean WiiFit? Aside from the diaper rash like cynical complaints from some of the more core gamers on message boards, those who were actually at E3 or other shows where WiiFit was playable generally had good things to say about it. I don't see any reason why WiiFit couldn't be a unique and fun endeavor at least as much as Nintendogs might have been. (as I don't expect a Pikmin out of WiiFit, the direction in game mechanics are just too different to warrant that comparison)

[seebs]

Wii Fit is one of those things which I'll definitely get despite it being totally unlike anything else I have. Among other things, it looks like a broader (if less exhausting) exercise than DDR.

[Azu]

It's not that I'm saying WiiFit is going to be a bad "game" and not fun. It's just that when I first heard about Miyamoto being involved in developing a completely new IP (that's years ago, btw), I was thinking that it'd be something new like Pikmin (not Pikmin per se, of course, but something with as much uniqueness as Pikmin) and was hyping myself that it would be something like that, even more after hearing about Wiimote. That is, still a game, but a really unique one with the kind of cool twist(s) that Miyamoto's games usually have. Even Nintendogs was still more of a game, a game that really used DS' unique features (WiiFit doesn't use Wii's), even if it was a relatively short experience for some.

That said, I'm not interested in WiiFit and I don't really care if the people who've played it have positive things to say about it. Hell, even I would probably have good things to say about it if I had the chance to test it. Still, that doesn't mean I will ever get it or that I'm not disappointed that Miyamoto's exciting new IP turned out to be a fitness "game". Like I said, I had thought that Miyamoto's new project would still be a game, a game that would use Wiimote's full potential (something new like Pikmin from Miyamoto + Wiimote could've been great, but no, not this time), and not a fitness game which requires YET ANOTHER peripheral.

And the reason why I'm not getting it has nothing to do with the fact that it's "unlike anything I have", I like to try out new things. It's just that WiiFit screams too much of "Casual And Non-Gamer Suck Up!" to me. Casual games can be fun and WiiFit will probably be fun too, but I'm not interested. I have very little interest in fitness stuff outside games, that won't change just because Nintendo developes a fitness game.

EDIT: And let's just say that I wouldn't dislike WiiFit as much if it wasn't Miyamoto's project. I don't mind Nintendo developing games for the non-gamer crowd. I just don't personally like it that Miyamoto himself has started neglecting the "real" gamers who've bought all/almost all of his games during the years with this kind of non-game crap.

[seebs]

You know, I sorta get it. It's like finding out Bioware's doing something that's not even a bloody RPG. WHY?

On the other hand, I think he's doing something crucial that will dramatically increase the number of good games that I get to play in my lifetime, which is drawing millions upon millions of people into gaming who had previously given it no thought whatsoever.

Companies like Looking Glass and Troika have made incredible games and gone bust anyway, because the market just isn't quite big enough to support some innovations. If this is what it takes to start drawing more people into the market, so that companies like that will be able to make money, then I'm fine with it.

[Azu]

You know, I sorta get it. It's like finding out Bioware's doing something that's not even a bloody RPG. WHY?

Yeah, it'd be like Bioware developing a game called Dewey, Huey and Louie Go To School. Maybe it'd be the best educational game there will ever be, but that doesn't mean I want them to make those kind of games.

On the other hand, I think he's doing something crucial that will dramatically increase the number of good games that I get to play in my lifetime, which is drawing millions upon millions of people into gaming who had previously given it no thought whatsoever.

Companies like Looking Glass and Troika have made incredible games and gone bust anyway, because the market just isn't quite big enough to support some innovations. If this is what it takes to start drawing more people into the market, so that companies like that will be able to make money, then I'm fine with it.

The real question is: Will the buyers of WiiFit be the kind of people who'd ever buy games like Arcanum, System Shock or Fallout? At worst, if or, rather, WHEN WiiFit becomes the huge success it probably will be, it could just increase the number of Fitness-type games developed. Will the "new" gamers even buy anything else but WiiFit and maybe a couple of other (future) Wii games which are equally non-game like and easy to pick up & play? If it expands the game market in the "wrong" direction, it won't increase the success of the kind of games that Looking Glass & Troika did (System Shock, Arcanum etc.), it could only fill the market with UbiFit, EAFit & similar type games.

And even after that, if WiiFit is THE number one of these type of games and no other dev can make their games even half as succesful, the only thing it will expand is Nintendo's already-large wallet.

From what I can tell, there are quite a lot of casual & non-gamers who've, yes, bought a Wii. Still, there's a fairly large BUT there. They haven't bought much else than WiiSports for the console (well, technically they didn't even buy that, since it comes bundled with Wii) or, at best, some might've tried a casual-friendly game like Excite Truck (driving games are easy to understand and they appeal to a lot of people, even moreso than Mario and the like) and nothing else. The success of Wii, so far, hasn't really changed anything when it comes to the types of games released & how succesful they are. Mario is still Mario, even when played on Wiimote, and FIFA is still FIFA. Niche games like Zack & Wiki aren't much more popular, even when the buyers of Wii aren't your usual type of HC gamers (I'd say it's the most HC of the HC gamers who buy "small" and relatively unknown games like Z&W, not the other way around).

[slingblade38]

From what I can tell, there are quite a lot of casual & non-gamers who've, yes, bought a Wii. Still, there's a fairly large BUT there. They haven't bought much else than WiiSports for the console (well, technically they didn't even buy that, since it comes bundled with Wii) or, at best, some might've tried a casual-friendly game like Excite Truck (driving games are easy to understand and they appeal to a lot of people, even moreso than Mario and the like) and nothing else. The success of Wii, so far, hasn't really changed anything when it comes to the types of games released & how succesful they are. Mario is still Mario, even when played on Wiimote, and FIFA is still FIFA. Niche games like Zack & Wiki aren't much more popular, even when the buyers of Wii aren't your usual type of HC gamers (I'd say it's the most HC of the HC gamers who buy "small" and relatively unknown games like Z&W, not the other way around).

To put things into perspective, take a look at the DS. It received mostly the same welcome; developers looked at it and said "this does nothing to further the industry, it's technologically inferior and involves developing games around an entirely new element." Both systems launched to an industry which thought they'd be nothing more than gimmicks. Then, when it was realized they weren't gimmicks, began the 30 minute rush job shovelware games. In the case of the DS however, what came next were games that started taking advantage of the control scheme in new and inventive ways. As developers became more familiar with what it was capable of, they started producing quality. The DS is now the uncontested winner in that fight (not that the PSP is losing per se, you can't say it's doing bad by any stretch unless you actually compare it to the DS).

I'm fairly confident that given time, the wii will take off just as the DS has. It's already starting to

[seebs]

Yeah, it'd be like Bioware developing a game called Dewey, Huey and Louie Go To School. Maybe it'd be the best educational game there will ever be, but that doesn't mean I want them to make those kind of games.

Yeah, I can sorta sympathise with that.

The real question is: Will the buyers of WiiFit be the kind of people who'd ever buy games like Arcanum, System Shock or Fallout?

I have all three of those, and I plan to buy it.

At worst, if or, rather, WHEN WiiFit becomes the huge success it probably will be, it could just increase the number of Fitness-type games developed. Will the "new" gamers even buy anything else but WiiFit and maybe a couple of other (future) Wii games which are equally non-game like and easy to pick up & play?

Yes.

Harry Potter fans buy all sorts of books -- not just Harry Potter knockoffs.

If it expands the game market in the "wrong" direction, it won't increase the success of the kind of games that Looking Glass & Troika did (System Shock, Arcanum etc.), it could only fill the market with UbiFit, EAFit & similar type games.

That would be a reasonable concern if bookstores hadn't shown otherwise. But they have!

People who get drawn into a broader hobby (such as gaming or reading) tend to branch out from the genre that got them started.

From what I can tell, there are quite a lot of casual & non-gamers who've, yes, bought a Wii. Still, there's a fairly large BUT there. They haven't bought much else than WiiSports for the console (well, technically they didn't even buy that, since it comes bundled with Wii) or, at best, some might've tried a casual-friendly game like Excite Truck (driving games are easy to understand and they appeal to a lot of people, even moreso than Mario and the like) and nothing else.

Well, over two million of them have bought Wii Sports over in Japan -- where it isn't a pack-in.

But consider. The Wii's attach rate right now is higher than the PS3's. Even if you subtract out Wii Sports and Wii Play, I think it's maybe a quarter-point higher.

So if anything, we have clear evidence that these people are at least trying new games.

The success of Wii, so far, hasn't really changed anything when it comes to the types of games released & how succesful they are. Mario is still Mario, even when played on Wiimote, and FIFA is still FIFA. Niche games like Zack & Wiki aren't much more popular, even when the buyers of Wii aren't your usual type of HC gamers (I'd say it's the most HC of the HC gamers who buy "small" and relatively unknown games like Z&W, not the other way around).

It's an interesting question. Z&W got almost no ads in the US that I know of, which is a shame, but I've been pimping it to everyone.

I think the Wii is gradually changing what's released, and how accessible it is. I do think it will be a year or two before we see how that pans out, but everything I can see suggests that, as people get their Wii legs, the games will be a lot of fun, and a lot of people will buy them.

[rikwakefield]

To put things into perspective, take a look at the DS. It received mostly the same welcome; developers looked at it and said "this does nothing to further the industry, it's technologically inferior and involves developing games around an entirely new element." Both systems launched to an industry which thought they'd be nothing more than gimmicks. Then, when it was realized they weren't gimmicks, began the 30 minute rush job shovelware games. In the case of the DS however, what came next were games that started taking advantage of the control scheme in new and inventive ways. As developers became more familiar with what it was capable of, they started producing quality. The DS is now the uncontested winner in that fight (not that the PSP is losing per se, you can't say it's doing bad by any stretch unless you actually compare it to the DS).

I'm fairly confident that given time, the wii will take off just as the DS has. It's already starting to

Totally agree. The Wii is following a similar path as the DS.