A significant difference in performance?

**Username** · 03-11-2005

I was having a discussion with a buddy of mine and he kept saying how bad the PS3 is going to be(Bad as in good lol).I don't deny it is going to a kicking systems.

The only thing I don't agree on him with is that the graphics of PS3 will be way better than Xbox2.IMHO I don't think there will be a huge difference graphic wise.I see both companies using the most powerful(and cost effective) tools they can.I am sure there will be a slight performance difference, but I don't see a huge gap in performance/graphics this generation or anyone after this one.I think both are going to fight hard in order to win over more fans,But technology only allows a system to be so powerful so both should be fairly similar performance wise IMO.

What do you guys think? Do you think one will have a significant advantage over the other? Remember I am talking about in-game playing visuals/gameplay not spec sheets.

This is also just opinions as we really won't know until they are out obviously,But it'd be nice to see where people stand on this issue.

**PS Gamer** · 03-11-2005

There will be some differences in the graphics...not that big but there will be difference, because they are both using 2 different graphics companies....though the real thing is about how to utilze those graphics..and the speed of the graphics...for instance at standing point right now...on what kind of info we have the PS3 is faster then the xenon...though right now the we don't know really anything upon the PS3 graphical engine so we can say atm that the xenon is winning in graphics area.

**muchuukuri** · 03-11-2005

Honestly, that's a true grab bag of possiblities... as graphics get better and better it's more difficult for the human eye to distinguish the difference, normal mapping is great example of this. In order for people to make a noticable distinction graphically one of the systems would have to push graphics like say the ones in the UE 3.0 demo while another would have to push something equivalent to CG. That transaltes into a HUGE "power" difference.

Which of the two can do this? I'd argue Sony has the best bet of being the CG one, since the CELL and NVidia GPUs are scalable... do I think it will happen? HECK NO! It'd be too expensive, not to mention it'd prolly melt the system. I think one system WILL be graphically prettier... but next gen the lines are gonna be so blurred that I question if anyone will be able to notice... thats my "real world" guess.

**DezNutz** · 03-11-2005

Graphics are a bit to early to guestimate, one devloper said he knows PS# is far superior hardware wise but he thinks the graphics will not be as geat a difference or something to that effect. If one system is noticebl different form the other it would have to be the PS3 over the X-Box2 althogh, I dont see anyone (opens door for Siren) saying X-Box2 wil outperform the PS3 graphically.

You guess is as good as mine at this point, really end graphics has much more to be determined that we and quite honestly very few developers even know at this point.

I just think the PS3 gives more ability to grow better graphics in later generations of software on its system as compared to X-Box2, but again that is only my opion. I know X-Box2 graphics will get better with each generation, but I see developers learning and being able to take advantage of the extras (space & power) the PS3 has to offer will grow grafically alot larger.

**venomman** · 03-11-2005

i think its simple the PS3 will have a much easier time handling AI, sound, phsyics and othr non graphical tasks with its SPU's. With that said it can have more power to deliever better graphics

**Chaotic_King** · 03-11-2005

I say we should just wait until Sony blows our mind at E3. At the moment, we know very little of what we should expect, and to guess now is just speculation. (Although, it does seem that there is a possibility it could be significant)

**PS Gamer** · 03-11-2005

Your are completely right CK...I mean what is the point to debate over something that is just rumored?

My ending note is just wait till E3 in May...We will get the info that we want and actully have something to debate over

**siren** · 03-11-2005

Because that is what we do here. We debate rumors, the viability of them, market trends and other facts to support claims, ect...

**Username** · 03-11-2005

yeah,I am not posting to start a debate,but rather your gut feeling based on what you do know so far.

I just keep hearing how bad the PS3 will stomp Xbox2 based on specs going around,But I can't help but think MS isn't going to willingly release a system that can't hold it's own against PS3.

I think a lot of it is fanboyism(is that a word?

) , but still I think it is worth discussing.

**Chaotic_King** · 03-11-2005

How can fanboys affect what EGM writes? They were the ones who said that a developer commented on how much better the PS3 was than the Xbox 2. EA said they expected the PS3 to be more powerful than the X2 as well.

**siren** · 03-11-2005

I would also agree, the PS3 more than likely will be more powerful than the Xbox2.

But, I question whether you will see that power in games, ever.

**Username** · 03-11-2005

I am responding to what other people have discussed with me at work,home,etc.

They are the sony fanboys I am refering too not EGM not sure where you were getting that from...I own all 3 systems,but Xbox gets played the most and gamecube has been in the closet collecting dust for about a year and PS2 is still played every now and then.

I am not denying PS3 will be uber powerful, But I don't think MS is just going to release a push over system either,and I am sure it will have some pretty impressive games out as well.

I really can't see PS3 being that far ahead of Xbox2 is all I am saying, Then again it could, But I know MS wants to win over gamers so I know they are going to release a great system.

I will get all 3 systems this generation like I always do, But I'll get 2 of the 3 way way later(like when ps3forums turns into ps4forums

)

**PS Gamer** · 03-11-2005

Originally Posted by Username

yeah,I am not posting to start a debate,but rather your gut feeling based on what you do know so far.

I just keep hearing how bad the PS3 will stomp Xbox2 based on specs going around,But I can't help but think MS isn't going to willingly release a system that can't hold it's own against PS3.

I think a lot of it is fanboyism(is that a word?

) , but still I think it is worth discussing.

I don't think that the PS3 will "kill" the Xenon, In my personal thoughts is that they both have good points. For instance, the PS3 will have the Speed, while the Xenon will have the graphical force.

Originally Posted by Username

but Xbox gets played the most and gamecube has been in the closet collecting dust for about a year and PS2 is still played every now and then.

IMO I think the PS2 is played a lot more then the xbox, just because the PS2 has sold 40-50million more consoles then the xbox.

**SessDMC** · 03-11-2005

Well load times and non graphical part of games, like physics and sounds will be speeded up and improved, i saw some one else make the same point, so i think graphic wise you will see improvements from both consoles from this Generation, but none will be more graphical than the other (the PS3 might have that edge though in the 2nd to 3rd gen games) as you all stated. but Physics sound and load times will just be improved and speeded up as they have their own APU's (i dont know if they call them SPU's now days) but you will see an improvement for shure from either consoles.

**muchuukuri** · 03-11-2005

Yeah, but devlopers get just as excited as people like us... they're human too and they see the two systems and start jumping up and down going OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! ZOMG!!!!!!! ^^ So don't take what devs have said too seriously, besides I doubt any dev have had their hands on final dev kits... rhings can change.

**The_One** · 03-11-2005

Originally Posted by Username

I just keep hearing how bad the PS3 will stomp Xbox2 based on specs going around,But I can't help but think MS isn't going to willingly release a system that can't hold it's own against PS3.

The thing is, XBox was released quite a while after the PS2, and did it really hold its own against it? I guess that's debatable, but something that's not debatable is the fact that PS2 did in fact stomp XBox this time around. Sure, Microsoft isn't willingly going to release something that's inferior, at the same time, they have no choice but to release something that is inferior spec-wise.

PS3 having better graphics? My take is, with GPU <-> CPU interaction, yeah, you're going to see some difference. Kinda like PS2 vs XBox. Only a few games will truly shine on the PS3 (just like how only a few games [2%] on the XBox is actually graphically superior to Triple A titles like Jak 3 and Ratchet & Clank) and vice versa.

Originally Posted by Chaotic_King

How can fanboys affect what EGM writes? They were the ones who said that a developer commented on how much better the PS3 was than the Xbox 2. EA said they expected the PS3 to be more powerful than the X2 as well.

There's that, and there's also a rumoured comparison that states PS3 would be able to push almost twice as much poly as the Xbox 2 (30K vs 50K).

**Username** · 03-11-2005

Originally Posted by PS Gamer

IMO I think the PS2 is played a lot more then the xbox, just because the PS2 has sold 40-50million more consoles then the xbox.

Actually I was refering to inside my household on that

**PS Gamer** · 03-12-2005

Oh, if ya would have said something about that then I would have known what you where talking about

**Epsilon-Zero** · 03-12-2005

Its too close to call at this point. We only know so much about each system and i doubt the devs even know everything. You cant know a system until you really start working with it for a while and Sony devs just got their alpha kits recently and Xenon devs have to wait till summer for final kits.

Specs alone are not everything and i think the PS2 Xbox generation teaches us that.

**Chaotic_King** · 03-12-2005

Originally Posted by Epsilon-Zero

Its too close to call at this point. We only know so much about each system and i doubt the devs even know everything. You cant know a system until you really start working with it for a while and Sony devs just got their alpha kits recently and Xenon devs have to wait till summer for final kits.

Specs alone are not everything and i think the PS2 Xbox generation teaches us that.

No, some Japanese developers have had theirs for a while now. Western devs are now just getting theirs.

**Epsilon-Zero** · 03-12-2005

well either way, all devs only have alpha kits at this point.

**tank570585** · 03-12-2005

Originally Posted by siren

I would also agree, the PS3 more than likely will be more powerful than the Xbox2.

But, I question whether you will see that power in games, ever.

Even if the power was unusable in this generation of systems, the higher you set the bar for this generation the higher the bar for next generation becomes.

Also, the difference doesn't have to be visually huge if people are expecting the more powerful system to look better. They will hear that one is more powerful and has better graphics and will see what they want to see.

If the actual game graphics are similar the more powerful system is still likely to impress buyers as being graphically better, because the company with the more powerful system will be able to create better tech demos (barring incompetence) to get more people excited. On various internet forums we have seen how fast the statement of influencial people can travel and become nearly universally accepted.

However, it is not a given that the company with the more powerful hardware can create a "better" tech demo. Because of this the true winner of the next generation of graphics could be heavily influenced by one awesome tech demo that the other company can't match.

**DezNutz** · 03-12-2005

To amke you feel better, if you like current X-Box and havea high Definition TV you will definitley love X-Box2.

**dude54321** · 03-14-2005

NO "ME TOO" POSTS, READ THE FORUM RULES

**evanft** · 03-14-2005

I keep noticing how siren always infers that the PS3 will be very difficult to program for. But the PS3 will use OpenGL as its main development tool (its XNA, if you will), and OpenGL is very easy to use and many developers have used it. Also, nVidia chips run OpenGL better than anybody, so...