Arsenal Thread

[Nitey]

You'd think the embarassment from getting booked for 'simulation' would be enough for a lot of these players to kick it out of their game

Though on the other hand, "doing whatever it takes to win" is a message instructed from managers and fans

Though on the third hand, it's cheating so it needs to get the fuck out

[DINAMO788]

I don't think there should be bans. For repeat offenders maybe, but fines would be good.

fines dont mean shit to players and until we get serious, diving will continue to make a mockery of the game

[Shibby]

fines dont mean shit to players and until we get serious, diving will continue to make a mockery of the game

retrospective bans imply that the event that took place were a red card offense. if it's bad enough that they can get banned, then it's bad enough for them to not be allowed to continue the match. so you would have to make diving a red card if you want to go down that road, and that's not happening, nor would i want it to happen.

the only real solution is to hire refs that can open their eyes. but since that is unreasonable, video technology is the way to go.

[DINAMO788]

retrospective bans imply that the event that took place were a red card offense. if it's bad enough that they can get banned, then it's bad enough for them to not be allowed to continue the match. so you would have to make diving a red card if you want to go down that road, and that's not happening, nor would i want it to happen.

the only real solution is to hire refs that can open their eyes. but since that is unreasonable, video technology is the way to go.

A dive in the box that draws a PK can ruin a game, and depending on the circumstances can cost a team a LOT at the end of the season. So yes, it should be a bannable offense. I think a dive is worse than two yellow card offenses, especially how with easily english refs throw out yellows.

[Shibby]

A ref fucking up a call can ruin a game too. The whole concept of diving is deceiving the ref into making a bad call. The only true solution is at the root of the problem, to ensure the ref doesn't make a bad call.

[DINAMO788]

A ref fucking up a call can ruin a game too. The whole concept of diving is deceiving the ref into making a bad call. The only true solution is at the root of the problem, to ensure the ref doesn't make a bad call.

you realize that is impossible right? Youre basically saying the only way to stop diving is for refs to not make mistakes and see everything perfectly. lets get real. That is impossible. thats why we need retroactive punishments, as a supplement to the shortcomings of human refereeing. Fines wont do anything to curb the habit. And what you said is exactly what im talking about, A ref fucking up a call can INDEED ruin a game. Drawing a penalty or a booking through diving is a prime example of this

[Shibby]

you realize that is impossible right? Youre basically saying the only way to stop diving is for refs to not make mistakes and see everything perfectly. lets get real. That is impossible.

That's my point. Video technology makes it (at least reasonably) possible.

[DINAMO788]

That's my point. Video technology makes it (at least reasonably) possible.

You mean, use video technology to catch divers and retroactively appoint punishment? If so, i agree.

[Shibby]

No, I mean an incident happens, the ref makes a decision to his best judgment, the 4th official quickly checks the replay and lets the ref know what he sees or does not see, the ref can then call the play back to the correct decision if necessary. Often, the call would result is a brief stoppage of play and wouldn't result in any time wasted, and otherwise would only take like 30 seconds max.

The divers then have absolutely nothing to gain from diving, and stop diving.

This would obviously be extended to more than just dives.

[DINAMO788]

No, I mean an incident happens, the ref makes a decision to his best judgment, the 4th official quickly checks the replay and lets the ref know what he sees or does not see, the ref can then call the play back to the correct decision if necessary. Often, the call would result is a brief stoppage of play and wouldn't result in any time wasted, and otherwise would only take like 30 seconds max.

The divers then have absolutely nothing to gain from diving, and stop diving.

This would obviously be extended to more than just dives.

this is not likely to happen at all. Blatter or platini or whoever is STRONGLY against stopping the game and the flow. Seeing whether a ball crossed the line is one thing, but having to decide on whether a dive was actually a dive takes a lot longer than a few moments. Its not that practical and more importantly, its never going to get passed.

[Shibby]

Neither is giving bans for a yellow card offense.

Setting up to take a free kick takes more than a few moments as well, and in those few moments (and through the majority of the match), the fourth official is scratching his balls.

[adamp93]

No, I mean an incident happens, the ref makes a decision to his best judgment, the 4th official quickly checks the replay and lets the ref know what he sees or does not see, the ref can then call the play back to the correct decision if necessary. Often, the call would result is a brief stoppage of play and wouldn't result in any time wasted, and otherwise would only take like 30 seconds max.

If that gets implemented, where do you stop the game? say a foul is not given and if you give the manager 20 seconds after the incident to decide whether he wants a review (similar to DRS in cricket) you could in theory stop a goal scoring opportunity for the opposition. Then you can go even further to say "what classifies as an incident?"
Then look at it the other way, if a foul is given when it shouldn't have been restarting the game from a free kick just isn't the same i.e. the defending team has time to regroup.

What works with the goal line technology about to come in is the ref gets the message to his watch when the ball crosses the line. A computer can't tell if its a foul or not, we've all had that problem on FIFA!

[Nitey]

Sinking to a new all time low. So much wrong at this fucking club

Hindsight etc but you just know the reserve team would have played a lot better than those uninspired, unmotivated, overpaid bunch of losers. We've always been bottlers but that was fucking horrendous - the fact that it even went to penalties was disgusting . Many people will scald the board and leave Wenger out of it but this was just a Wenger classic IMO. I don't think I trust him anymore.

Many of his decisions are non-footballing decisions. Playing a blunt Ramsey (and on the wing again ffs) ahead of the kid that changed the game against Reading last round (Eisfeld). Taking off our most determined MF (Coq) as the first sub, persisting with Gervinho up front when even Chamakh would do a better job at playing as a forward for 90 fucking minutes. Talking about how he regretted over-playing Wilshere back in '10 but he had no choice because of injuries - yet he plays him against a team in the 4th fucking division.

I don't even want to talk about Podolski, or Vermaelan. But fuck.

I know we don't play until Monday so playing the 1st team won't matter that much but the 2nd team played an all time classic in the last round (5-7) and many will be itching to prove themselves once more.

Wenger is getting it wrong a lot lot more than he is getting it right these days. It's been going on too long that now idk if he's just stubborn, trying to prove a point, or just a dumbass.

I dont know what he does at Colney but shit needs to change. Caz was considered the best la liga player outside of Real or Barca, Giroud top scorer ligue1, Poldi scored a bunch for cologne and Germany, etc etc. These guys are good but under Wenger, in our system, at our club, players are beginning to fade into shitness.

How long will he continue to experiment with these useless clowns, and begin winning us football matches consistently? Even with the braindead footballers we posses our squad is still far better than nearly every team we play. He's failing big time. He's lost it I think. Hopefully he reels us into 4th place and then retires.

Edit: The WBA game a one off it seems. The only decent performance after international break. Our crap play far outweighs anything good we do

[three3-times]

Hate to say this, but AW needs to resign himself.

[Shibby]

I typically laugh off comments from Arsenal fans about Wenger needing to go, have done so over the last few seasons, but for the first time I agree. I can't see him staying on much longer.

[Nitey]

I was thinking about it today. I dunno who will be able to do a job with the kind of budgets Arsene has to work within (Moyes?), but regardless of that he's really getting on my nerves and yesterday tipped me over.

He talks about how Arsenal cannot compete with the likes of City, Chelsea, Utd etc financially, yet he can't even motivate the players he has secured to sweep aside lower quality opposition, or even just put in a decent performance

Villa (a), Norwich (a), Swansea (h), Fulham (h) etc etc. All winnable games. Man for man we are better than most teams in the league but you wouldn't think it. Not even close to a financial problem, it's a coaching/managerial/tactical/motivational problem. He better sort it out because over the years we've managed to fuck up in the most bizarre ways imaginable

Taking my rose tinted glasses off for a second, we're a joke. He's got a hell of a job on his hands now

And yeah I'm not usually in the Wenger-out parade but last night wasn't just a farce it was a reality check to where we've been heading. Our team has continued to get worse and worse every single year for many seasons.

[three3-times]

Thats absolute crap. i dont buy that. AW Chooses not to spend big on players. Hell we (Man Utd) have been fucked by the glazers and still manage to spend £40mil most summers. I dont buy this shit that Arsenal have no money to spend!!

Asides from Jack, santi and Ox, the rest of your 1st team can jog on

[Nitey]

Yes but my point is regardless of money spent or not the players we do have are still good enough and as the coach he's not getting the best out them. Obviously more quality in the team means less chance to fuck up but against opposition I mentioned above we have more than enough quality to win.

He's not doing his job first and foremost.

Yes Arsenal have money but he/board chooses not to spend. Too much financial cushioning going on to live in comfort. No risk taking, and the risks we do take are on shit fucks like Gervinho and Chamakh and we pay them equals with the players that do deserve a raise now and then

Fed up.

[DINAMO788]

again, this isnt a problem of personnel. Most EPL teams would have beaten Bradford. Do they all have stronger players than us? no. personnel is not the main issue.

[The Boy From School]

I missed the game due to work but this is all I needed to see.



This team pisses me off.

[DINAMO788]

I missed the game due to work but this is all I needed to see.



This team pisses me off.

You can't judge a game from one gif. I think it was far from our worst game, despite the outrage.

[The Boy From School]

I don't care how well we played.

We just lost to an inferior team from an inferior league.

Something needs to change.

[Molo316]

There's a report on Goal.com that Pep Guardiola said that we are his interest in coming back into management. Apparently he completed some of his coaching with us or something.

If Wenger were to leave (as I don't think he'll ever be sacked), I'd say Pep would be the next best manager, and if the report is indeed true then it is encouraging that he is interested.
I'd laugh my head off if we did get him, after all the stuff Chelsea have been doing to try and lure him there.

[jj03]

It would be interesting..although, fergie fly's out to new york today for a second meeting with guardiola (will try and post source when not in work).

Occasionally, smaller clubs give clubs like arsenal, united etc a bit of a rude awakening. It happens.. and it'll happen again. Just think arsene needs to spend in january and play more directly and aggresively...

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[DINAMO788]

I don't care how well we played.

We just lost to an inferior team from an inferior league.

Something needs to change.

but we've been losing to inferior teams all year long?

And spending big in january I dont think will do much, especially when there arent many good players available this january window that we can get. We need to resign walcott and sagna and get another DM. some LB cover would also be nice and a good striker if we can find one. I like Jovetic, but there any many i'd want this window at a good price.