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    Chinese Google

    What do you think of the vesion of chinese google that cuts out everything that is against their communist government. Heres a link to the news report on it.


    A Chinese Internet user browses for information on the popular search engine Google in Beijing January 25, 2006. (Reuters)
    Googling China

    Published: 25 Jan 2006
    By: Harry Fawcett
    Google has agreed to censor its search engine in China. Is the internet giant living up to its don't be evil motto or letting down the freedom of the internet?
    The world's most popular internet search engine Google has agreed to censor itself in China denying its people access to certain site functions.
    Google took the decision after it was overtaken in the market by a home-grown search engine. It will now offer only four core services preventing users from accessing email and chat rooms.
    A cursory search on google for the name Tiananmen on Google.Com brings up a list of pages devoted to what happened in the Tiananmen Square massacre. The Chinese version Google.CN brings up a tourist guide for the Square.
    This report from Harry Fawcett:

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    Google's image sprang from its genesis - two student co-founders who invented what they thought was a better way to search the internet. Its California headquarters are as bright and friendly as its mission statement, "don't be evil".
    But in its transformation to international media behemoth, with a market value of over $100 billion, economic realities weigh ever more heavily
    Especially in China, where the number of web users is rising by 20m a year, and Google's been losing out to locally based search engines.
    To set up locally the company has agreed to block search terms deemed sensitive - like "Taiwanese Independence" -- it will also be removing its email, chatroom and blogging services.
    In a statement, the company said:
    "While removing search results is inconsistent with Google's mission, providing no information (or a heavily degraded user experience that amounts to no information) is more inconsistent with our mission."
    And Google isn't alone - other international players like Microsoft and Yahoo already abide by the Chinese government's rules.
    But back home, things are very different - unlike Yahoo and Microsoft, Google has very publicly refused to give the US Supreme Court a list of its users search requests, over an investigation into internet pornography and child protection
    But the row's caused jitters on the markets - exacerbating worries about Google's upcoming fourth quarter earnings report - all the more need then to open up new earning potential in new markets.
    Today saw the first special Chinese New Year flight between China and Taiwan, an annual exercise which some might see as evidence of the potential for greater openness in China...
    Google says it's presence here, even in a restricted form, will only add to political and social change. But it'll also add to the coffers back in California
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    Here in the US we have the luxury of Freedom of Speech. The idea may seem foreign and slanted to us, but it's something of a difference between our cultures that they deem as a correct path, but we view it as a suppression and tyrannical type of thing.

    Google, since they're allowed by the Chinese government, works as a source in China, and has to apply to their rules. Same thing with Microsoft.

    This isn't something that hasn't happened to other countries as well. Afghanistan has blocked entire IP addresses to such malicious sites like bestsiteintheuniverse.com(maddox) and other such rotten crap like, well, rotten.com. The thing that makes this so controversial is because China is fast-tracking themselves to being a world super-duper power, and most of the world leaders have freedom of speech.

    Also Taiwan and China has been a seriously big topic in the political structure of both nations. It's almost as bad as China and Japan.
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    i can see a similar thing happening in america. the government wanted the search results for pornographic material, if im not mistaken? next step after that is putting a block to it (well, the illeagle stuff)
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    You don't know when you have it good until you lose it. We take advantage of our freedom of speech in the States, and the Chinese can't have it. If everyone will remember a while back when Clinton helped with the Chinese search engine of his own, a quick search of the word "communism" yielded no results. The same term in google yielded thousands. I never thought I would see the day where google would bow down, and frankly, its sickening.

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    I say YES because China is communist and no company can do anything about it. Google is a company, not a political organization with an agenda. The only way for them to make money is to follow their rules. Just like recently that Microsoft have just finally complied to the European Union to make their Window software codes or something open for free instead of charging software companies. Theres some debate going on that Google is a hypocrite or a so called Communist lover because I guess recently they are the only search engine not complying for the BUSH ADMINISTRATION to spy of peoples searches. Yahoo and MSN have complied and agreed to do so but not google. And so now the news that Google is complying with China makes them seems to rather follow China laws and not U.S.'s law.

    My opinion is that I'm glad Google isn't letting BUSH spy on their search engines because the U.S. isn't a communist country, and the only way for Google to have a operation in China (worlds populist country) is to follow China's laws because they are communists.

    Heres the article for Bush and Google:

    SAN FRANCISCO - Google Inc. is rebuffing the Bush administration's demand for a peek at what millions of people have been looking up on the Internet's leading search engine a request that underscores the potential for online databases to become tools for government surveillance.

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    Mountain View-based Google has refused to comply with a White House subpoena first issued last summer, prompting U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales this week to ask a federal judge in San Jose for an order to hand over the requested records.

    The government wants a list all requests entered into Google's search engine during an unspecified single week a breakdown that could conceivably span tens of millions of queries. In addition, it seeks 1 million randomly selected Web addresses from various Google databases.

    In court papers that the San Jose Mercury News reported on after seeing them Wednesday, the Bush administration depicts the information as vital in its effort to restore online child protection laws that have been struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court.

    Yahoo Inc. (Nasdaq:YHOO - news) and Microsoft Corp., which operate the next most-used search engines behind Google, confirmed that they had complied with similar government subpoenas. America Online said it didn't fully comply with the subpoena but did provide a list of search requests already publicly available from other sources.

    Combined, Google, Yahoo, Microsoft's MSN and AOL handle nearly 90 percent of all U.S. search requests, according to Nielsen/NetRatings.

    Although the government says it isn't seeking any data that ties personal information to search requests, the subpoenas still raise serious privacy concerns, experts said. Those worries have been magnified by recent revelations that the White House authorized eavesdropping on civilian communications after the Sept. 11 attacks without obtaining court approval.

    "Search engines now play such an important part in our daily lives that many people probably contact Google more often than they do their own mother," said Thomas Burke, a San Francisco attorney who has handled several prominent cases involving privacy issues.

    "Just as most people would be upset if the government wanted to know how much you called your mother and what you talked about, they should be upset about this, too."

    The content of search request sometimes contain information about the person making the query.

    For instance, it's not unusual for search requests to include names, medical profiles or Social Security information, said Pam Dixon, executive director for the World Privacy Forum.

    "This is exactly the kind of thing we have been worrying about with search engines for some time," Dixon said. "Google should be commended for fighting this."

    Sunnyvale, Calif.-based Yahoo stressed that it didn't reveal any personal information. "We are rigorous defenders of our users' privacy," Yahoo spokeswoman Mary Osako said. "In our opinion, this is not a privacy issue."

    MSN said it complied with the government's request "in a way that ensured we also protected the privacy of our customers."

    As the Internet's dominant search engine, Google has built up a valuable storehouse of information that "makes it a very attractive target for law enforcement," said Chris Hoofnagle, senior counsel for the Electronic Privacy Information Center.

    The Department of Justice argues that Google's cooperation is essential in its effort to simulate how people navigate the Web.

    In a separate case in Pennsylvania, the Bush administration is trying to prove that Internet filters don't do an adequate job of preventing children from accessing online pornography and other objectionable destinations.

    Obtaining the subpoenaed information from Google "would assist the government in its efforts to understand the behavior of current Web users, (and) to estimate how often Web users encounter harmful-to-minors material in the course of their searches," the Justice Department wrote in a brief filed Wednesday

    Google whose motto when it went public in 2004 was "do no evil" contends that submitting to the subpoena would represent a betrayal to its users, even if all personal information is stripped from the search terms sought by the government.

    "Google's acceding to the request would suggest that it is willing to reveal information about those who use its services. This is not a perception that Google can accept," company attorney Ashok Ramani wrote in a letter included in the government's filing.

    Complying with the subpoena also would threaten to expose some of Google's "crown-jewel trade secrets," Ramani wrote. Google is particularly concerned that the information could be used to deduce the size of its index and how many computers it uses to crunch the requests.

    "This information would be highly valuable to competitors or miscreants seeking to harm Google's business," Ramani wrote.

    Dixon is hoping Google's battle with the government reminds people to be careful how they interact with search engines.

    "When you are looking at that blank search box, you should remember that what you fill can come back to haunt you unless you take precautions," she said.
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    I say they were right to block some searches because if they didnt, China would just blank Google as well...
    And Google couldnt do that because it goes against one of the main driving forces behind Google, "To collect and organise all the worlds information."
    True that it wont be shown to some people, but i'd rather look up Java than read about goverments and wars.

    Im glad that Google are fighting against the US goverment, what losers they are, to want to watch what people lookup on search engines...
    I know i'll never ever use Yahoo and MSN now, although i never did anyway cause they both suck
    Bush is taking things too far now, he really is...

    Maybe Google should move to Europe, we'd gladly welcome them hehehe
    Well then again, its not about being welcome, its that stupid $#@! Bush (screw you little spy that may eventually read this) taking control WAY too far.
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    The "main" google also blocks some searches as well. I've had trouble with it before- once I tried looking up articles about how American soldiers were taking Iraqi artifacts home and didn't come up with anything even though I re-worded it many times. I finally got it after lots of re-words. Either something fishy is going on, or Google's algorithms need work.

    I agree with ReCnaLz though. Google is a company, it's not supposed to be political. I'm also guessing that China wants this done mainly to block out the stereotypes that communism has. Whatever the reason, their censorship can't last long.

    And it's great to know that they're not letting Bush push them around. One of my Saudi friends who studies in the US actually had the CIA pay him a visit just because of something extremely stupid (all he did was tell his dad in one of his phone calls that he hated living in America and wanted to move back as soon as he graduated), and when they visited him, they actually had copies of all his e-mails and phone calls. Now that's a scary place to live!

    Ironic how a country that doesn't have much free speech brags about having it the most. Ever since Bush was elected, he's done almost everything he can to limit privacy and free speech. And speaking of Bush and censorship, during the 2004 elections, people who didn't live in the US were not allowed to access his official campaign site.
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