Liverpool FC Thread: Remember the 96

[LfCpS3]

That is why Gerrard is a world class player!

Bellamy also played outstanding.

TBH everyone played really well( except adam)

Only problem:

The balls that Johnson, downing, adam and hendersen give to carroll are not the type that he thrives on. The ball gerrard gave to Carroll that hit the bar is exactly that Carroll needs. Heck Gerrard did more for carroll in this game than those 4 did in the last few weeks! They need to learn and give the right ball!!!!!!!

Glad to see we can win without Suarez!

[Shibby]

Finally a fucking result.

My man crush on Gerrard will never cease lol. Gave the entire team a lesson in finishing. Hope he starts v City. Suarez will be well rested too.

Skrtel was my MOTM, with Gerrard and Ballemy sharing a close 2nd.

With some more consistent playing time Carroll should start putting them in the net (especially with Gerrard's service).
But still think we need a striker (Podolski please).

[dc89]

Mr Evra asked Mr Suarez why he had kicked him, referring to the
foul five minutes previously. Mr Suarez replied "Porque tu eres negro", meaning "Because
you are black". Mr Evra then said to Mr Suarez “say it to me again, I’m going to punch
you”. Mr Suarez replied "No hablo con los negros", meaning "I don't speak to blacks".

Mr Evra continued by saying that he now thought he was going to punch Mr Suarez. Mr
Suarez replied "Dale, negro, negro, negro", which meant "okay, blackie, blackie, blackie".
As Mr Suarez said this, he reached out to touch Mr Evra's arm, gesturing at his skin. Mr
Kuyt then intervened.

When the referee blew his whistle and called the players over to
him shortly after the exchanges in the goalmouth, Mr Evra said to the referee "ref, ref, he
just called me a fucking black"

He doesn't have a leg to stand on. Suarez also said he "pinched Mr Evra's skin to diffuse the situation". Is the guy mental? He either is or he has been very badly advised on how to conduct yourself in England.

[three3-times]

http://redflagflyinghigh.com/2011/12...uis-suarez-ban

dont none of you come back in my thread, u all stood by this racist prick and so does your club. be ashamed

[LfCpS3]

So evra said one thing, Suarez said another thing and the FA believed Evra.

Whatever.

[Nitey]

I think there is more to it than them just siding with Evra for the sake of it

If he's found to be guilty of this again on 2 more occasions, he could get a life ban o_O (according to ssn)

[mankind]

What a discusting team liverpool are, be very proud of your team and support racist. I hope they appeal and he gets a longer ban, 8 matches is a fucking joke for this low life scumbag.


Shibby I would like to hear your responce to this? I asked you in the united thread would you support this racist wanker, you replied when they release the proof which they have done. Will you continue to support a racist? That goes for all liverpool fans here too.

[Cyn]

Song should get a IMO 5 game ban for the way he kicked and fouled those two wolves players. That was disgusting of him and really bad how the ref did not give him a red.

Song should probably have been sent off for it yes but 5 game ban? Behave. The likes of Barton do that every single game (including against us yesterday) and don't even get a ticking off. And you forget the only reason Song kicked him up in the air was because he had just fouled Song 3 seconds earlier and the ref pretended he didn't see it. The same ref incidentally who waved away a stonewall penalty and cost us the game.

Anyways the race for 4th is hotting up isn't it.... could be 3 of us fighting for it until the end of the season. Probably 4 if you include Spurs after they go off the rails, which they will.

[RED-SNAKE1]

And what gives you the right to call him a wanker are you a racist!

[manutdfan]

Wanker isn't racist.

Liverpool have acted disgracefully over the whole thing and there reputation and image has gone down a lot.

[LfCpS3]

Man city 3 times in January, cant wait!!!

Hopefully we are more clinical!

[Shibby]

He doesn't have a leg to stand on. Suarez also said he "pinched Mr Evra's skin to diffuse the situation". Is the guy mental? He either is or he has been very badly advised on how to conduct yourself in England.

That's Evra's case, and the one the FA chose to believe.

This is Suarez's:

Mr Suarez denied the Charge. His case, in short, was as follows. He agreed with Mr Evra that they spoke to each other in Spanish in the goalmouth. When Mr Evra asked why he had kicked him, Mr Suarez replied that it was a normal foul and shrugged his shoulders.
Mr Evra then said that he was going to kick Mr Suarez, to which Mr Suarez told him to shut up. As Mr Kuyt was approaching, Mr Suarez touched Mr Evra's left arm in a pinching style movement. According to Mr Suarez, at no point in the goalmouth did he use the word "negro". When the referee blew his whistle to stop play, Mr Evra spoke to Mr Suarez and said (in English) "Don't touch me, South American". Mr Suarez replied "Por que, negro?". He says that he used the word “negro” in a way with which he was familiar
from his upbringing in Uruguay. In this sense, Mr Suarez claimed, it is used as a noun and as a friendly form of address to people seen as black or brown-skinned (or even just blackhaired).
Thus, it meant "Why, black?" Mr Suarez maintained that when he said "Por que, negro?" to Mr Evra, it was intended in a conciliatory and friendly way. Mr Suarez said this was the only time that he used the word “negro” in his exchanges with Mr Evra during the match.

Obviously that's not what gets published in the papers though.

He's not racist. Evra and the FA both said this. He just supposedly used racist language on an occasion. He's just stupid.

This whole "Liverpool condone/support racism" campaign you're all on about is pathetic and much worse than anything Suarez may have done. Be ashamed of that.

I've said more than my two cents on the whole situation and am done with it. And I still support Suarez, regardless of the bit of respect I lost for him. I won't lose any sleep over it. I don't think the club should appeal though.

And before any of you want to get on your moral high horses, remember that this is the man you consider a god and legend.

[RED-SNAKE1]

Wanker isn't racist you moron.

Liverpool have acted disgracefully over the whole thing and there reputation and image has gone down a lot.

Still doesn't give him the right to say a bad word does it and who are you calling a moron!

[T0PGUN]

Seems to me that most of you other fans when reading the report only see the words 'Evra, n*gger,because you are black,blah blah blah'
The report doesnt say that Suarez said those things,it says that Evra said that Suarez said those things.

Big difference.

Both the FA and Evra state that Suarez is not racist.

I hope this goes to a real court, not some mickey mouse shit with Funguson's cronies on the 'panel'.

[DaveNI1979]

I cant see there being an appeal. The fa have left it looking kinda ok for suarez, (except for length of ban which I disagree on) they said hes not a racist and that evra said hes not either. Suarez's whole arguement is that its ok to say negro in uruguay. Well it might be and thats ok for uruguay but this is not uruguay. So by admitting to saying it, he can be forgiven for being a bit of a dumbass/ignorant fool surely? At the end of the day being a racist and saying a racist remark is completely different thing. And for me what John terry said is worse.

ps:- those using this as an excuse to sink the boot in LFC should be embarrassed of yourselves. Obviously have an agenda so dont even try say that shit here. Yous know who yous are. Didnt think even Utd fans would stoop so low. Gutter trash.

[Shibby]

Everyone should read this. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...lve-the-matter

Now that the details of Luis Suarez's racial abuse charge have come to light, the sporting world can finally dissect the outcome. And the fallout of the lengthy 115-page document does not read for pretty reading. Various references to the comments made by the Uruguayan international toManchester United's Patrice Evra point to the inability for them to be construed as friendly banter.
Yet what seems most shocking from the report is the constant doubt that still surrounds the whole event.
It is even as if the appropriate body is not able to make up their own minds about the argument between the two players, despite being perfectly happy to make an example of Suarez in punishing the Liverpool forward with an eight-match ban and £40,000 fine.
As the BBC reports, the commissioner for the report concluded that "this case is not about whether Suarez is in fact a racist," whilst adding that "there are some indications that he is not."
So hang on, does this mean that a player has been accused of something derogatory, when at the same time there is a general opinion given that he is not capable of such behaviour?
We also have the use of many half-hearted attempts at validation for the punishment. Firstly, it is noted that neither player was "unable to remember every detail" of the incident, further adding that Evra's evidence was only "for the most part consistent."If Suarez was not consistent with his story, then this is fair enough, but only providing that the other party can be. To sum it perfectly, a comment is made that Suarez has been "found guilty on the balance of probability," something which is a step down from being charged "beyond all reasonable doubt."
Now I would never claim to be a lawyer or someone who has an in-depth knowledge of how legal proceedings work, but we are all aware of the term "innocent until proven guilty."

Therefore, unless there is an overwhelming and confident backing for a guilty verdict, there should have been no charge at all. Surely, the accusations should have been thrown out, considering in usual legal cases this would be the outcome.
It seems surprising that Evra's character has remained intact when it has emerged that the incident began after the United player made insulting remarks about Luis Suarez's sister.
In the end, with all of the maybes included, the punishment handed to Suarez now only appears as an example-setting punishment that does not care entirely for the factual elements.
You would expect that the appeal being lodged by Liverpool will focus on the uncertainty surrounding the incident. You can't help but think that until there is a definitive and confirming verdict made, we still cannot assess if Suarez is the disgrace to English football that many have labelled him to be.

the bold bits are the interesting ones.

found guilty on the balance of probability? that is a fucking joke.

Everyone that has read the report has said the FA discuss a lot of potential evidence and no actual "proof".

Okay, NOW I'm done talking about it lol.

[Shibby]

One more.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-new...5578-30044683/

IF you have neither the time nor inclination to read the Football Association’s hefty report on their investigation into the Luis Suarez/ Patrice Evra racism row, let me save you the trouble.

After two months and 115-pages, the entire case came down to one man’s word against another’s.

There was no evidence nor supporting witnesses to back up either player’s version of the events.

And in the end, the much discussed linguistic nuances of the word “negro” and its use in South American Spanish mattered little.

Language experts brought in by the FA concluded that what Suarez admits to having said – “what, negro?” – wouldn’t be considered offensive in his native Uruguay, but what Evra says he hurled at him would be.

So it all came down to who the three-man panel believed.

They decided Evra was the more credible witness, chiefly because his version of events tallied closer to the television footage of the incident than Suarez’s
It is worth noting, however, that while the Frenchman was allowed to give his evidence while watching the video of the confrontation, Suarez was not.

The FA report also claimed that the Manchester United player’s testimony was preferred because he remained calm throughout – importantly, though, he was not the one on trial.

As a result of the report’s publication, most media outlets are now presenting Evra’s claim to have been racially abused “seven times in two minutes” as fact when that is far from the case.

Unlike in a court of law, the panel did not need to be satisfied that Suarez was guilty beyond all reasonable doubt, working instead to a balance of probability rule. And the word “probably” can be found in plentiful supply in the report.

Essentially the Liverpool striker has been convicted on the hunch of three men.

Is that acceptable when a man’s reputation is on the line?

If Suarez used the word negro with the frequency and in the manner in which Evra alleges, he deserves every game of his eight-match suspension.

But that hasn't been proven, with only the two players aware of the truth. And try as the FA might to suggest otherwise, the report hasn’t changed that.
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[Kopkiwi]

The difference between Liverpool and scum supporters? Aside from us having a brain and a clue and a manager with some class? We would be happy to see Suarez banned if found guilty based on FACTUAL evidence. However United fans are so THICK that even given his lying, cheating past, they would feel Evra is right despite the lack of evidence.

[StaticAge]

However United fans are so THICK that even given his lying, cheating past, they would feel Evra is right despite the lack of evidence.

We've stood behind a player whom we KNOW has been accused of something solely based on the words of a lying little chunt who has a past of making up racist accusations.

Still going along with that myth?

http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2011/12...rice-evra.html

[Kopkiwi]

Still going along with that myth?

http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2011/12...rice-evra.html

Hardly the founding pillar of my argument.

[Shibby]

Evra may not have directly accused someone before, but he HAS been used as a witness in an FA investigation where his testimony was found not to be credible.

[manutdfan]

No we haven't you douche.

We've stood behind a player whom we KNOW has been accused of something solely based on the words of a lying little chunt who has a past of making up racist accusations. The report even states they simply took him on his word against Suarez despite NO evidence AT ALL. Are you seriously that thick that you can't see the facts of the matter? If/when this goes to court the case gets thrown out on lack of evidence.

Imagine if all murder and rape cases were a you vs me story. It would be a farce. As is the way the FA have come to their conclusion.

IF Suarez was guilty and found so based on actually fact I would ban him for a year and have no complaints. HOWEVER this entire case is based on heresay.

Suarez admitted saying negredo.

Why mention his colour he's obviously using it as a racist offensive term.

Suarez is a racist little cunt.

Just hope Liverpool don't make the top 4 which I don't think they will. Don't want a racist club representing Britain in Europe.

[DaveNI1979]

If som1 spoke to me about my sisters pussy he woulda got the zidane treatment. Evra's no angel so dont even go there manutdfan.

[StaticAge]

Don't forget that Comolli and Kuyt BOTH said that Suarez said, "because you are black". Comolli was told it in his native Spanish, and Kuyt told it in his native Dutch, and yet somehow it was all apparently two misunderstandings

Why mention his colour he's obviously using it as a racist offensive term.

B...but, he was saying it in a friendly way. You know, similar to the way he pinched Evra in an attempt to "diffuse the situation" as Suarez said. (It's worth pointing out that Suarez's own lawyer said that it was in no way Suarez trying to diffuse the situation, so contradicting his own client.)

[manutdfan]

It's just coming down to insults now scum, manager no class lying cunt etc.

He made a racist remark so he's got racist tendencies. There's no place for that sort of shit now and nor should there be IMO.