The Manchester United Thread

[yourmumsface17]

We're supposed to be preparing a bid for Baines around 10 million would be a good buy to replace Evra.

That would be sensible business, Baines is decent.

Baines 10 mil ish
Kagawa 10 mil ish
***Insert defensive midfielder here***

Would be a very good and sensible summer.

[Abdou23]

We're supposed to be preparing a bid for Baines around 10 million would be a good buy to replace Evra.

Why would we want to replace Evra? to bring a back up is ok,but to replace him?! The good think about him that his absence rate is very low,all we need is some young back up. we need to concentrate now on CM.

[Nitey]

I'm jealous at you lot potentially getting Kagawa, I'm a huge fan of his. He'll be a great signing for anyone

[manutdfan]

That would be sensible business, Baines is decent.

Baines 10 mil ish
Kagawa 10 mil ish
***Insert defensive midfielder here***

Would be a very good and sensible summer.

Yep Tiote could be that defensive midfielder for around 12 million.

[LC77]

£10 million on a 27 year old, meanwhile you let a prospect leave on loan?

That makes about as much sense as signing a player you've never watched.....

[Tutankhamun]

I think it makes a lot of sense to sign an fairly experienced LB. We can't count on Evra being able to play all season and do that at the level that we need. Fabio needs to go out on loan to get games and get better. When Fabio is ready, we can decided if Evra or Baines should move. To me, it would make a ton of sense to sign Baines.

[LC77]

I think it makes a lot of sense to sign an fairly experienced LB. We can't count on Evra being able to play all season and do that at the level that we need. Fabio needs to go out on loan to get games and get better. When Fabio is ready, we can decided if Evra or Baines should move. To me, it would make a ton of sense to sign Baines.

I agree it makes sense to have another LB. But, I doubt Baines would leave Everton to be back up for Evra especially at 27 years old.

[manutdfan]

Makes perfect sense I can see him getting ahead of Evra pretty soon if we bought him, going by Evras form this season. He's been a defensive liability at times.

[manutdfan]

You could see:

Baines £10 million
Kagawa £10 million
Moses £10 million

Bargain buys.

[three3-times]

Unfortunately, Ferguson has surrounded himself with yes men, and considers himself untouchable. The team selection against City was appalling, and gave an example of his tactical incompetence. You no longer feel confident in the big games anymore.
Who decided to allow Pogba and Fryers to run down their contracts. Could you imagine Wenger or Levy allowing this to happen? That is gross incompetence personified.
The Glazers have reportedly set aside £140 million to invest in four new signings for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in order to arrest the serious decline in the teams performances. They lost 10 out of the last 11 matches.
The coach was sacked and big money was found to invest in the team.
Declining attendances causing TV blackouts resulting in falling revenues. If there is one thing the gimps understand is falling revenues and the need to arrest the slide.
Ironically, Joel Glazer gave an interview to the local newspaper 18 months ago explaining the virtues and cycles of team building and investment.
“There is a time to buy, to financially invest in the team, then, there is a time to solely rely on home grown talent, with little no investment in the team”. The team were approaching the cycle of the latter.
This chronic lack of investment caused a rapid decline in team performance causing an haemorrhage of support, TV blackouts and subsequent fall in revenue.
One thing that is guaranteed to panic these leeches is a fall in revenues.
Bryan Glazer performed a complete u turn, stating money would be no object in order to resurrect the teams fortunes hence the massive outlay on four new signings and coaching staff.
I’ve supported United since 1958, attending first league game after after Munich. I followed them home and away through good times/bad times, and believe me there were plenty of the latter.
Im also too long in the tooth to be kidded by Ferguson, who, despite his wonderful achievements was culpable in the Glazers taking over the club.
His behaviour over the Rock of Gibraltar, his personal greed and subsequent bitter fall out with Magnier and McManus speeded the Glazer takeover of United.
How a self confessed socialist can support these leeches is beyond me, although they both share one common denominator the love of filthy lucre.
Tell me any United team that would surrender an 8 point lead with five games to go?
As Roy Keane so eloquently stated ” Ferguson’s priorities are not necessarily United’s”
And for all you who find it abhorrent that I criticise Ferguson think on this.
The key players who have played key roles in his success, eg Keane, Ince, Ruud, Yorke, Cole, Rooney, etc, would no longer be affordable under the present regime

http://www.stretford-end.com/2012/05...ation-excuses/

[dc89]

Gary Neville appears to have won his planning war with Manchester United – after town hall officers recommended his proposals for a hotel and supporters’ club opposite Old Trafford should be allowed.

The Reds legend, who made 400 appearances for the club, wants to create a 10-storey leisure and retail complex within the shadows of the stadium. But, as revealed in February, United bosses, who had originally backed the proposals, performed a U-turn and lodged a stinging five-page objection with Trafford council officials.



They claimed the development has insufficient parking and say that even if those issues were resolved, ‘MUFC shall continue to oppose and object to the proposed scheme’ due to its impact on the Old Trafford landscape, highway safety and ‘the club’s holistic vision for the continuing enhancement of the area surrounding the stadium’

manchester evening news.

[LC77]

Unfortunately, Ferguson has surrounded himself with yes men, and considers himself untouchable. The team selection against City was appalling, and gave an example of his tactical incompetence. You no longer feel confident in the big games anymore.
Who decided to allow Pogba and Fryers to run down their contracts. Could you imagine Wenger or Levy allowing this to happen? That is gross incompetence personified.
The Glazers have reportedly set aside £140 million to invest in four new signings for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in order to arrest the serious decline in the teams performances. They lost 10 out of the last 11 matches.
The coach was sacked and big money was found to invest in the team.
Declining attendances causing TV blackouts resulting in falling revenues. If there is one thing the gimps understand is falling revenues and the need to arrest the slide.
Ironically, Joel Glazer gave an interview to the local newspaper 18 months ago explaining the virtues and cycles of team building and investment.
“There is a time to buy, to financially invest in the team, then, there is a time to solely rely on home grown talent, with little no investment in the team”. The team were approaching the cycle of the latter.
This chronic lack of investment caused a rapid decline in team performance causing an haemorrhage of support, TV blackouts and subsequent fall in revenue.
One thing that is guaranteed to panic these leeches is a fall in revenues.
Bryan Glazer performed a complete u turn, stating money would be no object in order to resurrect the teams fortunes hence the massive outlay on four new signings and coaching staff.
I’ve supported United since 1958, attending first league game after after Munich. I followed them home and away through good times/bad times, and believe me there were plenty of the latter.
Im also too long in the tooth to be kidded by Ferguson, who, despite his wonderful achievements was culpable in the Glazers taking over the club.
His behaviour over the Rock of Gibraltar, his personal greed and subsequent bitter fall out with Magnier and McManus speeded the Glazer takeover of United.
How a self confessed socialist can support these leeches is beyond me, although they both share one common denominator the love of filthy lucre.
Tell me any United team that would surrender an 8 point lead with five games to go?
As Roy Keane so eloquently stated ” Ferguson’s priorities are not necessarily United’s”
And for all you who find it abhorrent that I criticise Ferguson think on this.
The key players who have played key roles in his success, eg Keane, Ince, Ruud, Yorke, Cole, Rooney, etc, would no longer be affordable under the present regime

Nowt better than a good rant.

The only thing I disagree on. Arsenal have let players run down their contracts, Flamini, Nasri and RVP.

[Tutankhamun]

http://www.stretford-end.com/2012/05...ation-excuses/

That was the stupidest thing I've ever read;

Why should Fergie consider himself anything less than untouchable? What would be the point in that? Does someone seriously think Fergie needs to go because we're level on points with the league leaders going into the final weekend? Give me a break. All the other teams in the league would kill to be in that position.

Pogba and Fryers decided to run down their contracts; Nobody else. You can't put a gun to a players head and force him to sign an extension.

Since when can you rant about something when you start your premise with "reportedly", if you are going to make assumptions make them on facts.

And Joel Glazer is 100% right in his statement about rebuilding and having a cup run. In North American sports, this is a common practice to control spending. It is even more present under a salary cap structure where you can't pay out super salaries to all players. You then build a team that in a few years can win the cup than you try to add prospects into the team while trading your veterans to keep the cap under control. Nothing wrong with that statement from Joel. It doesn't always work out which is when you need to spend. Such is sports, it is unpredictable.

There is a salary cap in the NFL, so you can't sign top players every off season. You need to make cup runs over a period of time.

Anyone whom thinks a personal feud is the main reason for anyone selling an asset as big as Man United are kidding themselves. That is not have a business man acts. Give me a break. Being a socialist have nothing to do with public business.

I love Roy Keane as a player but he isn't the smartest cookie in the jar, that quote forgets one big fucking rule; You can't run a team by committee. There needs to be a single strong voice deciding the direction of a team.

And that last paragraph makes yet another assumption based on nothing but rumors, the Glazers, Fergie and Gill have stated numerous times they don't have an internal cap on how much money can be spent on player transfers and salary. So why make the assumption there is one?

[Metal Warrior]

That article is just a bunch of random hate stuff against Fergie and the Glazers. It's just so disrespectful. How could anyone ever accuse him of being greedy? He's worked his fucking socks off for his entire life, an example of personal discipline. Personal pride may have clouded his judgement at times, but greed?

One thing I would say though, is he does need a tactically astute staff around him. He's had his ups and downs but lets all agree tactical awareness isn't his strongest trait. Although he's far from as bad as some make it out. Some of the tactics he's used to great effect in Europe after Queiroz left should prove that. But even the likes of Guardiola and Mourinho like to surround themselves with assistants who're also great thinkers of the game. It's hard for us to judge Phelan or Meulensteen's input though. I just think he could use some like, for example, Ole at his side. A young and motivated assistant who's studied the game a lot. And ideally, after a few years under Fergie's wings he could then take over.

[manutdfan]

David Moyes is one of the favourites to take over from Fergie.

That article sounds like a lot of BS!!

[Tutankhamun]

Manchester United veto British Olympic team call-up for Wayne Rooney

Manchester United have written to the FA to say Stuart Pearce cannot select any of their over-age players for the British Olympic team apart from Ryan Giggs, it can be disclosed.

The club have ruled out Team GB coach Pearce picking Rio Ferdinand, Wayne Rooney, Paul Scholes and Jonny Evans for the Olympic tournament at London 2012 as over-23 players.

According to a 2008 court ruling, clubs have the right to refuse to release players for the competition as it is not on the international calendar, but United are only taking that position on their over-age players.

Manchester Evening News

Good.

[Abdou23]

I don't think Ferguson should go,but on the other hand he also makes mistakes,people who think that He is always right about everything are stupid,he is a human being and he makes mistakes,bad tactics,bad line up,wrong substitution even a word in the dressing room that can affect players badly.Clearly this was one of the worst seasons for Man U no matter what will happen in 2 days,everyone made mistakes but the solution here is not to make him go because we achieved nothing, that would be the stupidest thing ever,we would turn into Chelsea. All the Glazers need now is to give him proper financial support not only that but to encourage to spend all the way because the revenue after that will be massive.And i also agree with him being untouchable and surrounded by yes men.

[Danny2304]

Sorry, man utd are perfect and a single word should not go against them in the eyes of the FA.

Suarez was tring to get round ivanovic on the first one and the second one well yeah that was bad

[manutdfan]

Sorry, man utd are perfect and a single word should not go against them in the eyes of the FA.

Suarez was tring to get round ivanovic on the first one and the second one well yeah that was bad

Yeah that's how you get around people by swinging your arms into there face. Pathetic excuse.

[squirrelbo1]

evra is a great player. He just had a bad season.

[LC77]

Sorry, man utd are perfect and a single word should not go against them in the eyes of the FA.

Suarez was tring to get round ivanovic on the first one and the second one well yeah that was bad

Thanks for the pictures of those legendary tackles. The Cantona one in particular. Now that is how you deal with abuse. And Keane did him and admitted to it.

Suarez does his in slimy little man way.

I know there is a lot of drivel in The Sun, but this pretty much somes it all up.

Fergie needs £100m

RE-THINK NEEDED ... Utd boss Alex Ferguson


STEVEN HOWARD

Last Updated: 11th May 2012


ALEX FERGUSON, at the venerable age of 70, faces the most monumental challenge of his trophy-strewn career.


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Should Manchester City, as expected, win their first title in 44 years this Sunday, Ferguson will have to come up with the greatest master-plan of his 25 years at Old Trafford just to keep City on the radar.
Failure to do so and Roberto Mancini could well be half the way down the road towards creating football’s next dynasty.
The bottom line to all this is pretty simple — and makes desperate reading for United fans.
While Sheikh Mansour has ploughed £1BILLION into City, the Glazers have taken out half a billion just to service their original £526million loan to purchase United in 2005.
United’s latest yearly accounts revealed revenue streams had grown to a record £331m and an operating profit of £110m.
Yet almost HALF that went in paying interest on debt.
Yes, the Glazers made over £50m available to Ferguson last summer to buy David De Gea, Phil Jones and Ashley Young.
But the United boss will require a figure of almost double that to bring in new signings to bolster a club that, barring a miracle on Sunday, will complete their first campaign without a trophy for seven seasons.

WANTED ... Franck Ribery, Luka Modric, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Wesley Sneijder, Gareth Bale



And even then, as with Samir Nasri last summer and as we are seeing with Lille’s highly-rated midfield star Eden Hazard, the players he wants may well chose City and their drop-of-a-hat £200,000-a- week wages instead.
Yes, again, a win at Sunderland on Sunday could see United end with 89 points, their third-best points tally ever and one achieved after most of a season without a defender in Nemanja Vidic as vital to them as Vincent Kompany is to City.
But that is more a sign of the declining standard of opposition in the Premier League where Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs have offered no challenge whatsoever to the Manchester clubs and where newly promoted sides Swansea and Norwich have finished comfortably in mid- table.
While City appear to be heading in only one direction, United are treading water.
Of the City starting XI that beat United 1-0 at the Etihad last week, nine were in the core 24-29 age group, where players are presumed to be at their best.
United had just two in that age bracket — Wayne Rooney and Nani.
It is in correcting this imbalance between promising young players and veterans like Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes and Rio Ferdinand that Ferguson’s main challenge lies.
He has to be ruthless and dispense with the services of Dimitar Berbatov, Michael Owen and Ji-Sung Park.
Anderson, as well, has never developed and is injury prone, while the enigmatic Nani continues to blow hot and cold.
Patrice Evra was exposed yet again in the Manchester derby — this time roasted and toasted by Nasri — while Fabio is being lined up for a loan spell at Benfica.
And how often does Michael Carrick hurt the opposition? He may have started 36 games this season but he has only provided four assists.
If only Ferguson had nailed down Wesley Sneijder last summer and given him the City-type money the Dutchman wanted.
There now seems little hope of that deal being revived.
As for 38-year-old Giggs and Scholes, 37, wonderful servants though they have been, how much have they really got left in the tank?
Yes, there are bright, fresh faces in De Gea, Jones, Danny Welbeck, Antonio Valencia, Chris Smalling, Tom Cleverley and Javier Hernandez, though Jones has struggled at times and Hernandez taken a step back after his debut season.
On a rough assessment, Ferguson probably needs two more full-backs, an attacking midfield player and a goalscorer seeing that, other than Rooney, only Hernandez reached double figures in the league while Welbeck, for all his ability, doesn’t quite look a 25-goals-a-season player.
And then there’s Rooney.
Unhappy to be played on his own up front as Ferguson tamely went for the draw at the Etihad, his body language seemed all wrong.
Red Devils striker Rooney looked like a man wondering where the cavalry was coming from, the man of a few seasons ago who was so concerned with the lack of big-name signings that he actually contemplated quitting the club.
Yes, finishing second with their third-highest points tally is far from a full-blown crisis as United fans will testify.
And, once again, this is a team in transition.
And didn’t United go three seasons without a title from 2003-2006 before seeing off the challenge of both
Chelsea and Arsenal to win four out of the last five and reach three Champions League finals?
This time, especially after their twin disasters in Europe, the problems would appear to go deeper.
And the biggest one is on their own doorstep.
A City victory over QPR on Sunday will give the club all the impetus they require to drive them on to even greater rewards in the Champions League.
Like Liverpool and United before them, they will continue to cherry-pick the best talent from home and abroad, find more ways round UEFA’s Fair Play Rules and get even bigger and bolder.
Ferguson has told the Glazers there is little or no value in the transfer
market. He has gone further by claiming it has become insane — and that City are largely responsible for this insanity.
Yet if Ferguson still wants to compete — and, remember, Chelsea will not be standing still, either — he will have to join in.
He would be mad not to.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...en-Howard.html

[santinomarella]

Where was the post from a United fan who said our players were perfect?

[LC77]

Where was the post from a United fan who said our players were perfect?

Me I did it.

Did you mean this post?

http://www.psu.com/forums/showthread...=1#post5824496

Although, I think he might be a dipper of the bins. Is that an 'ism yet?

[manutdfan]

Pathetic bringing up United past players as an argument to defend Suarez actions.

[R3D D3V!L]

Sorry, man utd are perfect and a single word should not go against them in the eyes of the FA.

Suarez was tring to get round ivanovic on the first one and the second one well yeah that was bad

Let's give these pictures some context.

First up, Keane on Haaland. Years before, when Haaland played for Leeds, he fouled Keane and injured him. Straight after, Haaland went to Keane and him a cheat. So, years later Keane fouled Haaland, broke his leg which effectively ended his career, Keane went to him and said "Don't you ever call me a cheat." Haaland had it coming for years.

The Cantona kick is just pure hilarious. The ban was worth it after he scored the winning goal in the FA Cup final against you lot.