The Manchester United Thread

[three3-times]

we have enough options for fergie to grow some balls and drop rooney when he plays like that, his unprofessional approach to his fitness is a joke, he was like that at the EUROS ffs, same with the dips in form

[Tutankhamun]

Let's make one thing clear. Unfit isn't the same as form. I can assure you that Rooney is fit. Teams keep track of their players fitness, believe me. They measure everything. Even my bike I use to work out home can measure body fat. At Carrington they can measure your levels at taking up air and whatever. Rooney is fit. Anyone saying anything else is foolish.

Form is another question. Nobody of our players are in form. How can you be in the beginning of the season.

Drop Rooney, does that mean not starting him? I don't think anyone thinks that's smart for obvious reasons (goals).

Subbing him, for whom? Welbeck wasn't any better. I agree with Fergie I'd rather sub him yesterday. Rooney can score goals from nothing. You don't sub a player like that when you're chasing a goal. Especially not when he was your top scorer last season. You just don't.

[nofear01]

I think Everton will scrape a 1-0

I should have placed a bet!

[dc89]

2 out and out defenders in that side.

Yikes. Fellani is a handful against some of the best natural defenders, Carrick could have a rough night.

I called it. Carrick had no hope against him. Vidic won nothing against him either. He's a monster.

[LC77]

Gotcha. Just seems kinda weird to me. I've been a Liverpool fan since 1983... don't know about using the "we" term lol. Thanks for helping my noodle out.

I've always called United, well United. I don't buy into the "we" thing. I notice a lot of fans call them "we" when they're good, but as soon as they are bad it becomes "them" or "they".

As for Rooney, was he back on the fags in the summer?

Watching the game last night, I swore Big Dunc was back in action with a wig on.

[dc89]

Kagawa looks really good though.

United normally heavily rely on the wingers to whip the ball in. Kagawa is much more like Silva who will just slip balls in, get on the half turn and play reverse passes.

He will suit RVP more than Rooney in my opinion. But he looks really good.

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[three3-times]

Oh Dan, i love your back handed trolling here and on twitter! Xxxxxx

Kagawa will be the ONE for us. And i agree, he will suit rvp for than wazza.

[R3D D3V!L]

So Buttner has signed. That's LB sorted now a defensive midfielder please Fergie.

[LC77]

So Buttner has signed. That's LB sorted now a defensive midfielder please Fergie.

I keep reading about a DM and struggle to see how it would work. Who's dropped?

And looking at the bookings United picked up last night, if they signed Tiote say, he would not finish a game in a United shirt.

[Metal Warrior]

Jesus Tut what the fuck is this, your replies to me have all been along the lines of "if you say this you must be mad, you're wrong anyway, believe me". What are you some all-knowing deity? Everyone left right and centre has been raging about how unprepared Rooney looks. But clearly if our physios say he's good, our eyes must deceive us. He only looks too fat, slow and his touch only looks miles off. Doesn't matter, our tv's are lying. I mean it's laughable to judge if someone is fit enough by watching him over 90 minutes on a tv screen. I'm sure he would've looked a lot fitter, faster and had a much better touch if I'd watched him from the stands.

And our physios are always spot on. Doesn't matter that we constantly possess fantastic defensive depth yet year after year have to play a midfielder there while other teams with much less depth magically escape that fate. Or that we topped the injury league by a considerable distance and seem to suffer worse injury situations than all the other teams (except Arsenal maybe) every year, despite having more depth.

Yes we might win the league, but it'll be despite all these things. They are valid criticisms and we could only become stronger if the club would address them properly. I don't know why anyone would argue against it. You seem to be stuck with a "whatever the club decides is always right, no debate" mentality. Not even Fergie always gets it right.

[Tutankhamun]

Jesus Tut what the fuck is this, your replies to me have all been along the lines of "if you say this you must be mad, you're wrong anyway, believe me". What are you some all-knowing deity? Everyone left right and centre has been raging about how unprepared Rooney looks. But clearly if our physios say he's good, our eyes must deceive us. He only looks too fat, slow and his touch only looks miles off. Doesn't matter, our tv's are lying. I mean it's laughable to judge if someone is fit enough by watching him over 90 minutes on a tv screen. I'm sure he would've looked a lot fitter, faster and had a much better touch if I'd watched him from the stands.

And our physios are always spot on. Doesn't matter that we constantly possess fantastic defensive depth yet year after year have to play a midfielder there while other teams with much less depth magically escape that fate. Or that we topped the injury league by a considerable distance and seem to suffer worse injury situations than all the other teams (except Arsenal maybe) every year, despite having more depth.

Yes we might win the league, but it'll be despite all these things. They are valid criticisms and we could only become stronger if the club would address them properly. I don't know why anyone would argue against it. You seem to be stuck with a "whatever the club decides is always right, no debate" mentality. Not even Fergie always gets it right.

If you think a multi-million business would risk playing their biggest stare unfit, or does not posse the technology to determine the fitness of their players I really can't help you. Don't know what else to tell you.

Whether Rooney should have been subbed or not is another matter and a subjective one at that. I happen to trust SAF's judgment because of his accomplishments over his career. You may chose to do differently.

Personally, I'll take the worlds most experienced managers view over an armchair pundit 8 days a week. But maybe that's just me.

[Metal Warrior]

If you think a multi-million business would risk playing their biggest stare unfit, or does not posse the technology to determine the fitness of their players I really can't help you. Don't know what else to tell you.

Whether Rooney should have been subbed or not is another matter and a subjective one at that. I happen to trust SAF's judgment because of his accomplishments over his career. You may chose to do differently.

Again the same answer. The club decided upon it so it must be the right call. Do I need to remind you of the times we fucked up our players who were carrying an injury? You need to look no further than Rooney himself who was played at the end of the 09-10 season while carrying an injury. Or Evans near the end of last season, which Fergie admitted himself. I believe that's still the reason he's not fit yet at the moment (not a 100% sure on that, so someone correct me if I'm wrong). We take risks with players who are considered important to the squad. Sometimes it works, sometimes it has a detrimental effect.

[yourmumsface17]

What's this about some guy buying shares?

[The Boy From School]

[Tutankhamun]

Again the same answer. The club decided upon it so it must be the right call. Do I need to remind you of the times we fucked up our players who were carrying an injury? You need to look no further than Rooney himself who was played at the end of the 09-10 season while carrying an injury. Or Evans near the end of last season, which Fergie admitted himself. I believe that's still the reason he's not fit yet at the moment (not a 100% sure on that, so someone correct me if I'm wrong). We take risks with players who are considered important to the squad. Sometimes it works, sometimes it has a detrimental effect.

I'm not talking about carrying an injury. You said Rooney was unfit as in untrained. Not prepared for the season. My arguments is that the physio team damn well knows if a player is fit enough for the season. They keep track of that. Even clubs in the lower divisions keep a close eye on that. That's not an issue.

I'm saying if Rooney's body fat was too high or his ability to take in oxygen was too low they'd know it and he wouldn't have played. When a player of Rooney's ability have fine levels you start him. Nothing more to it.

[Firefox]

What's this about some guy buying shares?

I wouldn't get too excited. But it's a nice vote of confidence for the IPO.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19328750

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros

[mankind]

What's this about some guy buying shares?

Would like to know too?

[Tutankhamun]

If I we're a billionaire I'd buy the club just to force them to redesign the fucking website. No joke.

[three3-times]

I keep reading about a DM and struggle to see how it would work. Who's dropped?

And looking at the bookings United picked up last night, if they signed Tiote say, he would not finish a game in a United shirt.

scholes. please drop scholes

and metal/tut - hargreaves, thats all i need to say.

love you both

[Metal Warrior]

I'm not talking about carrying an injury. You said Rooney was unfit as in untrained. Not prepared for the season. My arguments is that the physio team damn well knows if a player is fit enough for the season. They keep track of that. Even clubs in the lower divisions keep a close eye on that. That's not an issue.

I'm saying if Rooney's body fat was too high or his ability to take in oxygen was too low they'd know it and he wouldn't have played. When a player of Rooney's ability have fine levels you start him. Nothing more to it.

And that's what I'm disputing with these examples. If they're going to play players who aren't match fit because they're still carrying an injury, why would you ridicule the idea that they'd play someone who isn't match fit because they're not fit enough after pre-season? If anything the former is worse than the latter. It's not like our physios didn't know Rooney wasn't sharp enough, they knew all right because it was plain as day. But he was played anyway, because he's capable of great things even when he's out of shape.

I don't get why you keep using the club's expertise as an argument instead of your own eyes. Did he look as sharp as he could've been to you then? I'm telling you if Rooney would take a more professional approach during the summer he'd start the season in better shape. Do you disagree with that?

[dc89]

I wouldn't get too excited. But it's a nice vote of confidence for the IPO.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19328750

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros

It's a vote of confidence alright! But dont' expect anything to come from it, remember the Glazers own shares have 10 times the voting power of his.

[StaticAge]

Welbeck's new contract is official - 4 years

[Tutankhamun]

And that's what I'm disputing with these examples. If they're going to play players who aren't match fit because they're still carrying an injury, why would you ridicule the idea that they'd play someone who isn't match fit because they're not fit enough after pre-season? If anything the former is worse than the latter. It's not like our physios didn't know Rooney wasn't sharp enough, they knew all right because it was plain as day. But he was played anyway, because he's capable of great things even when he's out of shape.

I don't get why you keep using the club's expertise as an argument instead of your own eyes. Did he look as sharp as he could've been to you then? I'm telling you if Rooney would take a more professional approach during the summer he'd start the season in better shape. Do you disagree with that?

I just don't worry about the players training over the summer - I just don't. Following many sports myself and having played ice-hockey when I was younger I know they track a players training during off-season very religiously. If Rooney did not have a professional approach to his training he wouldn't be at the club right now he'd be sold a long time ago. Nor would he have been able to play 90 minutes against Everton.

I'm not saying he didn't have a bad game, but I am saying he was fit enough to play. You said Rooney shouldn't be near the first team which I find strange all things considered.

If anything, SAF made a tactical error not having Hernandez on the bench. Subbing Rooney for Hernandez in the second half might have made a difference but subbing Rooney for Berbatov would just have been a waste. Welbeck did not play well either so you can't really argue that he should have ben the one to go for RVP (whom did shit all during the minutes he got).

Fact is, Rooney, bad as he played, probably was the only player in our team capable of getting a goal in that game.

[LC77]

Rooney is becoming like Marmite.




Boris for PM.

[Metal Warrior]

I just don't worry about the players training over the summer - I just don't. Following many sports myself and having played ice-hockey when I was younger I know they track a players training during off-season very religiously. If Rooney did not have a professional approach to his training he wouldn't be at the club right now he'd be sold a long time ago. Nor would he have been able to play 90 minutes against Everton.

I'm not saying he didn't have a bad game, but I am saying he was fit enough to play. You said Rooney shouldn't be near the first team which I find strange all things considered.

If anything, SAF made a tactical error not having Hernandez on the bench. Subbing Rooney for Hernandez in the second half might have made a difference but subbing Rooney for Berbatov would just have been a waste. Welbeck did not play well either so you can't really argue that he should have ben the one to go for RVP (whom did shit all during the minutes he got).

Fact is, Rooney, bad as he played, probably was the only player in our team capable of getting a goal in that game.

Yes well the bolded part is something I said immediately after the game. I'm more or less unapproachable at that time. You'll find that I haven't argued that part anymore once I calmed down. However I still maintain he shouldn't be untouchable.