The Manchester United Thread

[yourmumsface17]

Question, why wasn't Johnson sent off for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity? Valencia was pulling the trigger and Johnson fouled him. (he wasn't complaining either)

Corruption I tell you! :P

[santinomarella]

Now we have to endure 90 minutes of Niall Quinn commentary for the Arsenal City game.

[manutdfan]

Nail Quim is terrible!

[santinomarella]

I have also apologised to sir Alex , just where I come from people don't grass people up to get someone sent off.

Tweet from Shelvey, what an idiot.

[Shibby]

Since, as you said, a picture doesn't tell the story.



What a cunt Shelvey is, winning the ball, getting two footed, and not laying on the ground crying like a bitch about it, how dare he.

[santinomarella]

Since, as you said, a picture doesn't tell the story.



What a cunt Shelvey is, winning the ball, getting two footed, and not laying on the ground crying like a bitch about it, how dare he.

Crying like a bitch? Have you missed the part where his foot goes right into Evans' leg? Have you missed the part where Evans gets to the ball first???

[yourmumsface17]

Since, as you said, a picture doesn't tell the story.



What a cunt Shelvey is, winning the ball, getting two footed, and not laying on the ground crying like a bitch about it, how dare he.

Was gonna post this one, thanks.

That gif shows me that firstly, Evans gets to the ball first. Secondly Evans left foot is no where near Shelvey, thirdly Evans goes into the tackle with his studs down, it's a passing motion, not a studing motion.

Unlike Shelvey who goes in with his studs up.

Anyway I am not here to point score, but that's my interpretation of the GIF.

[Shibby]

No, I said "not" crying like a bitch. Not implying anything about Evans.

Listen, I'm not saying Evans wasn't fouled. He was. I'm just adding to the "Evans should have seen red too" bit.

Have you missed the part where Evans leaves the ground with 2 feet and goes into Shelvey?

Have you missed all the clamor that was in this thread when Kompany got sent off last season when he did much less than Evans there?

Doesn't matter if he "gets him" or not, the intent was there. By rule, Evans should see red.

[santinomarella]

No, I said "not" crying like a bitch. Not implying anything about Evans.

Listen, I'm not saying Evans wasn't fouled. He was. I'm just adding to the "Evans should have seen red too" bit.

Have you missed the part where Evans leaves the ground with 2 feet and goes into Shelvey?

I haven't missed it because Evans doesn't do that, Evans dives in and wins the ball, as YMF has said he wasn't near Shelvey. Shelvey is the one who dives in and after Evans has won the ball and gets Evans in the leg, that's dangerous.

Have you missed all the clamor that was in this thread when Kompany got sent off last season when he did much less than Evans there?

Kompanys challenge was very similar to Shelveys, 2 foot lung, legs apart. Look at how Evans dives in, legs together straight after the ball, with Shelveys legs apart there's going to be a bigger range of impact.

[manutdfan]

They didn't even show the Fergie interview on SS

[Shibby]

How are you calling Shelvey's tackle two footed? His left leg is bent behind him until the end.

Yes Evans legs are together, both of them, two footed, studs forward.

Shelvey's is studs forward, but one foot.

Shelvey makes a kicking motion at the ball, Evans makes a lunging motion.

[manutdfan]

I'd love to go to Anfield to hear the fans signing you'll never walk alone, great atmosphere!!

One of a few grounds I'd love to go to Nou camp as well.

[santinomarella]

Evans dives in after the ball with both feet and wins it, Shelvey dives in legs all over the place, OK yep might have not been fully 2 footed but that doesn't change anything. He dives in, right leg into Evans leg, could have potentially caused a very serious injury.

[Shibby]

IIRC, Kompany also won the ball when he was sent off. With dangerous play, winning the ball is kind of thrown out the window, especially when you don't win it convincingly, even in the slow-mo gif, their feet touch the ball almost simultaneously, with Evans getting there a moment before.

[santinomarella]

Go and watch the Kompnay Challenge, its a lot different than Evans and much more dangerous.

[Shibby]

I have watched it, and the only difference is that Nani was already in possession when he slid in.

I'd say in a 50-50 situation it's more dangerous.

[yourmumsface17]

How are you calling Shelvey's tackle two footed? His left leg is bent behind him until the end.

Yes Evans legs are together, both of them, two footed, studs forward.

Shelvey's is studs forward, but one foot.

Shelvey makes a kicking motion at the ball, Evans makes a lunging motion.

Nice edit from "studs up" to "studs forward"

Evans left foot is absolutely no where near Shelvey, infact that is the leg where Shelveys studs are studing into.

Evans right foot is at the side, he goes in tough, but fair and he wins the ball. Shelvey went in with little control and was reckless with his studs raised. Regardless Shelvey should have been booked before that when he committed a horrible challenge on Rafael. (It might have been Valencia)

It's amazing how people can have such different views of something they both see, an argument against video technology in football?

[Tutankhamun]

End of the day; Go in with your studs up and you run the risk of being sent off. The refs don't have the benefit of Kremlinology on so-so quality GIF's.

[santinomarella]

I'm talking about the manor in which Kompany and Shelvey have dived in, resembles that of a long jumper, you often see a player get in trouble for these style of lunges. The difference I see with those challenges and Evans' one, is that Evans dives in feet together and goes straight to the ball, he seems more in control of his lunge and where his boots will end up and as opposed to a wild lunge.

It would be good if we got to hear from referee's after the game, it might well be a case that he sent just Shelvey off as the lunge make big contact with Evans leg.

[manutdfan]

You could argue both should of been sent off

[Shibby]

I'm talking about the manor in which Kompany and Shelvey have dived in, resembles that of a long jumper, you often see a player get in trouble for these style of lunges. The difference I see with those challenges and Evans' one, is that Evans dives in feet together and goes straight to the ball, he seems more in control of his lunge and where his boots will end up and as opposed to a wild lunge.

It would be good if we got to hear from referee's after the game, it might well be a case that he sent just Shelvey off as the lunge make big contact with Evans leg.

That's the problem. "Dives in feet together" is the same thing as "two-footed lunge", just trying to ease the impact of the words with different rhetoric.



Once again, I'm not defending Shelvey's tackle. I was only defending that one of you called it "two footed" when it wasnt.

[yourmumsface17]

Looks a push.

Why is it only United's decisions that get this scrutinised

[Tutankhamun]

The penalty incident was both a push and the Liverpool's players leg caught Valencia high on Valencia's leg. . The player himself didn't complain that tells you all you need to know about that incident.

[santinomarella]

That's the problem. "Dives in feet together" is the same thing as "two-footed lunge", just trying to ease the impact of the words with different rhetoric.

It's not the problem, because it shows he is in control of the tackle. Feet together going directly at the the target, the ball. If he legs were not together highly likely one would be going straight into Shelvey and therefore making him worthy of a red card. If the feet aren't together when diving into the ball, there's the potential for more targets getting hit, one could be the ball the other could be Shelvey. Legs together going straight for the same target and gets it.

[manutdfan]

Yeah it looked a penalty in real time and in the replays. Like T said as well Johnson didn't complain, protest..