Forza 3 @ E3

[SixAxisRumble]

Does it have a chance agaisnt GT5? Will the graphics be able to hold up against the might of GT5?

Discuss

[Rareware]

So a game has to have good graphics to be good? That's news to me! I think it's kind of shallow to think of a game solely in terms of graphics like you just did.

[Scotracer]

Gameplay: Yes (Forza 1 was an easy match for GT4 and Forza 2 is a match for GT5P)

Graphics: No (Turn 10 aren't great artists but they never go for photorealism, the game has it's own unique cartoon-esque look)

Sound: Most definetely yes (Forza 2's sounds are infinitely better than Gran Turismo 5 Prologues and I see this continuing)

Online: Easily yes (GT5P online is a joke)

Peripheral support: No (The 360 doesn't support the G25 )

[Agriel]

Moving this to the proper section. Guys please post threads in the proper sections.

[SixAxisRumble]

Thier's so many sections now no one knows where to post

[Agriel]

Thier's so many sections now no one knows where to post

I understand there are new sections and it could be confusing. But if you put "E3" in your title then I would say the E3 section would be a safe bet

[kippers4brkfast]

Gameplay: Yes (Forza 1 was an easy match for GT4 and Forza 2 is a match for GT5P)

Graphics: No (Turn 10 aren't great artists but they never go for photorealism, the game has it's own unique cartoon-esque look)

Sound: Most definetely yes (Forza 2's sounds are infinitely better than Gran Turismo 5 Prologues and I see this continuing)

Online: Easily yes (GT5P online is a joke)

Peripheral support: No (The 360 doesn't support the G25 )

Agreed, except I am hoping GT5 online is better than the prologue.

[Xaor]

The main things I want to see from Forza 3 are things which help to immerse people into the game. In car view is crucial. Nothing is more crucial than it. Then weather. Day and night, and graphics.

The gameplay is solid and I'm sure they'll be improving on it anyway. The only real gameplay problems are stuff like the lack of pitting, lack of cars on the track, and online flaws (no penalisation and the PI system which is appalling).

[Pezzer]

Does it have a chance agaisnt GT5? Will the graphics be able to hold up against the might of GT5?

Discuss

Sure great graphics are nice but when it comes to racing games, it the way it plays which is the most important thing

Loved Forza 2...cant wait for 3, hopefully we will see something on it at E3.

Just hope the rumor I read a while ago on here about forza 3 being on two discs isnt true

[arthur]

The main things I want to see from Forza 3 are things which help to immerse people into the game.

i thought it already was immersive, to me it is the greatest console sim out there to date, its the closest any console game has come to acheiving realism, and plainly stated, GT was where i started playing sims, and it doesnt seem like offering anything more.

In car view is crucial. Nothing is more crucial than it. Then weather. Day and night, and graphics.

PGR3/4 had them, but that doesnt make a game great, so too does cutscenes, at the end of the day, i love the effort put in by PD on that, but gameplay is what matters, forza nails it in places where GT hasnt even began to scratch the surface

The gameplay is solid and I'm sure they'll be improving on it anyway. The only real gameplay problems are stuff like the lack of pitting,

lack of cars on the track, and online flaws (no penalisation and the PI system which is appalling).

there isnt any penalisation in many games i have seen, and it is a place where they can improve on, as for lack of cars, i think that your is misplaced, better to have 8 cars on screen with great AI, than the 16 in GT and have a dumb one, priorities

[Xaor]

i thought it already was immersive, to me it is the greatest console sim out there to date, its the closest any console game has come to acheiving realism, and plainly stated, GT was where i started playing sims, and it doesnt seem like offering anything more.

Right... but it's still not THAT realistic, the graphics are poor... I don't feel like in a game. The view is still back in 1998. I don't really get the point of your post.

Why are you bringing GT into this, by the way, in a reply to me, who said nothing about it?

PGR3/4 had them, but that doesnt make a game great, so too does cutscenes, at the end of the day, i love the effort put in by PD on that, but gameplay is what matters, forza nails it in places where GT hasnt even began to scratch the surface

Not entirely true. The physics aren't perfect. It's a common delusion that its got everything much better.

I don't see why you feel the need, when replying to my wants for Forza 3 , to post about Forza's gameplay in comparison to GT? It's not about GT v Forza.

As for 'so too does cutscenes'.. What?

there isnt any penalisation in many games i have seen, and it is a place where they can improve on, as for lack of cars, i think that your is misplaced, better to have 8 cars on screen with great AI, than the 16 in GT and have a dumb one, priorities

Great AI? What? I've never played against GT5's AI, (just played it online quite a lot.. which has its ups and downs), but Forza's AI is nowhere near great.

They are good at some things, but they aren't great. They constantly cut you off and some of the more vicious ones will bash you straight off the track.

In any case, online is where its at. Forza's single player was the most boring thing ever in comparison to the online (even with all Forza's online). I'd definitely want more cars online.

It also adds to the immersion.. because 8 is just too small to be realistic really.

[Scotracer]

arthur, I am sorry to break it to you but Forza 2 isn't that realistic...

and for that matter, neither is GT5P.

Forza's problem lies in the tuning setup capabilities of the cars (it's just wrong). For instance, with some tuning you can get the Ferrari 333SP to lap Laguna Seca in 1:04 seconds...wtf? That time isn't even achievable in a Formula 1 car! Other areas of pants-on-head-******edness is how some cars can set fastest times with tyre pressures above 40 or even 50psi! Fission MAILED!

Forza has great ground for realism, and a good tyre model but the tuning needs to be worked on.

I am yet to play Ferrari Challenge on PS3 but I have a feeling it might be up there with FM2 and GT5P.

If you want realism, my signature should give you all the information you need

[Evoking1230]

cant wait to hear/see about Forza 3...definitely a fan...going to give it a 2nd playthrough pretty soon

[Itaintrite]

So a game has to have good graphics to be good? That's news to me! I think it's kind of shallow to think of a game solely in terms of graphics like you just did.

Eh... where in the original post does it say Forza 3 needs to look better than GT5 to be good? He was only wondering, like the rest of us, how Forza 3's graphics will hold up against GT5. Forza 2's gameplay was already very good so I'd like to see how awesome the graphics will be.

Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions.

[Carsonal]

I quite liked Forza2.
Its a good game, not great.
A damn shame my save file was deleted.

Since I know very little about cars/car games, the only thing I could really ask for is just a wider variety of tracks.

[SixAxisRumble]

Eh... where in the original post does it say Forza 3 needs to look better than GT5 to be good? He was only wondering, like the rest of us, how Forza 3's graphics will hold up against GT5. Forza 2's gameplay was already very good so I'd like to see how awesome the graphics will be.

Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions.

Nailed it, i loved forza 2's gameplay. Have not played GT5p yet but from what i understand is it's better gameplay wise than Forza 2? Also i asked about the graphics because in replay mode GT5p is just the sex, not so much in gameplay graphics (Grid whoops it's ***) but can the 360 get close to those those GT5 replays?

[Linkedscorpion]

Eh... where in the original post does it say Forza 3 needs to look better than GT5 to be good? He was only wondering, like the rest of us, how Forza 3's graphics will hold up against GT5. Forza 2's gameplay was already very good so I'd like to see how awesome the graphics will be.

Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions.

IMO gt5 was always based better mainly because it had better graphics, everyone (mainly blind fanboys) based gt5p by graphics and not by its online service, lack of effects, etc.

[HowlBridges]

Making racing sims is hopeless as long as Gt still persists, and the designer said he's only at 20% of where he wants Gt to go lol

sorry but after playing gt everything else seems mediocre, sims, that is. The street racing/offroad thrones are still up for grabs

[A7MAD]

Not Forza 2 not PGR4 and not GT5p have delivered for me yet, none of these titles wowed me, that's my opinion and I'm waiting for something to wow me still.

Right now I'm enjoying GRID although I'm crap at it.

[HowlBridges]

grid has pretty sweet graphics, played the demo. Gt5p is the ****. the tracks are BEAUTIFUL. That cant be denied.

drift mode is kinda pointless though. I suck at that. you lose all your points if you even touch grass, that really hard

[Soldier 95B]

If GT5 is anything like GT5p, yes, Forza 3 can easily stand a chance.

Is there confirmation of Forza 3 at E3? If so, I hope it's not released until next year. I can't imagine the title being ready yet...so close to Forza 2. That isn't enough time to improve Forza 2 IMO.

[Rareware]

Eh... where in the original post does it say Forza 3 needs to look better than GT5 to be good? He was only wondering, like the rest of us, how Forza 3's graphics will hold up against GT5. Forza 2's gameplay was already very good so I'd like to see how awesome the graphics will be.

Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions.

Well, when he says....

Will the graphics be able to hold up against the might of GT5?
Discuss

That says to me that he feels that the graphics have to be good for the game itself to be as good as GT5.

[SixAxisRumble]

Good graphics certainly help with the overall experience, Forza 2 was just horrid looking, especially when you compare it to GT5 or Grid! Hell even PGR 3

[Soldier 95B]

The environments and tracks in Forza 2 are much better looking, deeper, and more realistic than the tracks in GT5p. In addition, since this is graphic related, the paint shop gives it a graphics edge as far as customization. The places GT5p exceeds Forza 2 in graphics are the replay system, cars, and GUI.

After playing the grid demo though, the cars in that game graphically exceed GT5p, as do the replays. However, the game is not anywhere near the level of GT and Forza in realism and physics. Grid is just an arcade racer, though the damage is pretty tight.

It's also the first game with the new Camaro...and THAT rocks.

[Tetsu]

Some aspects of Forza 2 are better, some aspects of GT5 Prologue are better.

Some of the sounds in Forza are stellar, some are utter crap, like deflated Buick tires which make even the smallest cars sound like an SUV, and erratic matching of the tire noise to the grip envelope. I've left the road with no tire noise at all.

Some of Forza's graphics are fabulous, but some are distinctly lacking. Some tracks like Nissan/Sunset Speedway frankly look unfinished. The cars are decent but not great. The downloadables are a mixed bag. The last Car Pack had cars which were basically retooled cars which are already in the game save for one or maybe two. I didn't even bother.

The replays are worse than in Forza 1, and they weren't anything to cheer about. The driver views as has been said are lost in the 90s. There was even one view in the early demos Turn 10 took out! Why?? The view of the track is rather iffy with Forza, while I've always felt "right there" in a GT game. Gran Turismo is the most immersive racing game I've ever had the pleasure to experience.

Physics are mixed as well. Forza has way too much oversteer, and trying to get a handle on a car which doesn't want to stop turning is much more troublesome, at least for me. And while Forza has the decent but proprietary - and sometimes fragile - FFB Wheel, the Playstations get to enjoy support from the impeccable Logitech wheels, especially the G25. Immersion increase confirmed.

The paint shop bugs drove me away. Having a car with graphics that start sliding the moment you hit the track is just hideous, especially if you DARE to try and give your car a delicious carbon fiber effect. Forget ever driving it. People are begging for unlocked liveries more for this reason than kids wanting to steal paint jobs.

While Turn 10 can produce a nice racer, they have a ways to go to achieve the quality in all aspects that Polyphony Digital delivers. In fact, I say that unapologetically about all sims.