Sakaguchi's Blue Dragon

**muchuukuri** · 05-03-2005

Well, we've got our first hint as to Sakaguchi's up and coming RPGs.

The game's called Blue Dragon.

Here's a pic.
http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=4793

As you can tell Toriyama is providing the art source for the game, which means it'll be a hit in Japan. and prolly here... oddly enough... Anyway, looks like maybe Sakaguchi wants to take on Dragon Quest... maybe still bitter about the Squeenix merger :s

The guy in the green tunic is named Jiiro
The girl's called Kurukku
The guy on the bottom is called Shuu

I'd translate what's being said, but I'm lazy and it's kinda small, so it's hard to read...

**Makaveli_786** · 05-03-2005

Blue Dragon is aimed at Dragon Quest?

Fable was aimed at killing Final Fantasy right?

LOL when will people learn!

**bustabusta196** · 05-03-2005

I never read anywhere someone saying fable was aimed at final fantasy.. for one how are they even similar besides the RPG factor.. Final Fantasy is more then 1 character.. and its in a huge world.. fable is a single player that has paths that determine your outcome.. but i dont see where fable was suppose to compete with FF. Do you have a source?

**PS Gamer** · 05-03-2005

just what a thought....it was going to be an Anime game series.....blah I knew this was gonna happen...

**siren** · 05-03-2005

Fable was never aimed at Final Fantasy. Fable was aimed to create a whole new type of RPG. One where you had more control over your character and world than ever before.

In many ways it succeeded, in many ways it failed. But it sold quite well (about 1.5 Million copies).

Are you saying that huge series can't die? Mario is not selling anywhere close to what it sold in years past. When did the last Crash Bandicoot game come out, yet it sold millions. How about Tomb Raider? It created a genre of sorts, and now is no where to really be found, at least not on the sales charts. Ever hear of Phantasy Star? Huge RPG series on the genesis. #4 sold like crap. People got tired of them not changing the gameplay.

Rachet and Clank and Jax and Daxter blew away the likes of Mario and Sega from years past. Are you trying to imply that they couldn't win because they weren't previous big names?

**bustabusta196** · 05-03-2005

Phantasy Star.. that was awesome game on xbox live.. it came with the 2 months free trial to play it and not have to pay.. those were the best 2 months ive spent on live.. you could hop from ship to ship.. upgrading trading weapons finding easter egg items playing with other people it was great.. then it was traded back in cause simply i wasnt going to pay 5 dollars amonth on just 1 game.

**Makaveli_786** · 05-03-2005

Man come on creating a new RPG blah blah, it was aimed at putting a dent in Final Fantasy so MS could say we've got great RPG's too, it's beyond obvious who they were hunting for.

Mario sells very well, man are you kidding dozens of games still come out with Mario on them and sell well, Crash Bandicoot game is on the horizons, Tomb Raider's last game sold millions and theyr refreshing the franchise with a new game, new Phantasy Star soon, Ratchet and Clank and Jak and Daxter while good games haven't put a patch on Mario, they sold on the most popular console on the market but if you expect them to kill Mario you've got to be kidding Mario game's have amassed over 120 million copies sold, a lot of that in the last 5 years.

**Chaotic_King** · 05-03-2005

This is going to be interesting. I doubt it's going to do all that well though.

**bustabusta196** · 05-03-2005

So game developers cant tweak old genres with new ideas UNLESS they are going after a already legend in that genre??? When i look at fable.. i see it no where comparable to FF besides the fact that its a RPG.

**Makaveli_786** · 05-03-2005

MS were gunning for Final Fantasy with Fable, it was supposed to be the Final Fantasy killer and be the competing factor to Sony's Final Fantasy RPG's thats all I'm saying, the reason it failed was beacuse it wsa gunning for the big dog, it wasn't likely Fable would steal much if any attention at all and thats what happened, its the same with MS taking on Sony, they didn't exactly do bad but for everybody that beleived they were going to take them out, they were more than wrong.

**bustabusta196** · 05-03-2005

Yes but i still dont see how Fable was geared towards FF.. they arent the same game.. if you played fable then played FF youd notice that they are 2 seperate games.. just like if you were to play GT4.. then play a different kind of racer such as PGR2.. they are both racing games but different kind of racing games.. I think you only see that Fable oh thats MS thats geared toward Sony.. thats FF. But i was an early fan of FF games 7-9 and i played fable.. and i can tell you now.. they are completly different.

**siren** · 05-03-2005

When was it stated that Fable was going after Final Fantasy? It's not even remotely a JRPG. It isn't even like common PC RPGs?

Also why stop at Fable, if you want to talk about RPGs going after Final Fantasy like that, what about Xenosage. That is more inline with Final Fantasy. Or we could say that BioWare has been going after Square since their inception. But that would make about as much sense as Fable trying to take down Final Fantasy.

Completely different RPGs.

**Makaveli_786** · 05-03-2005

It's the same with comparing the PSP and the DS, Sony and Nintendo insist theyr not competing but come on guys we know better, just because they put a twist on fable doesn't mean its not gunning for other RPG's, when somebody goes out aad buys an RPG they don't think oh this game is a little different to that game they buy which ever catches their eye and thats why Fable was gunning for FF, Fable is the big RPG on Xbox FF is the big RPG on PS2, if an RPG fan wants to buy a console and he chooses between PS2 and Xbox hes going to compare Fable and FF before buying, most guys buy PC's over PS2 or vice versa even though they have different types of RPG's, the small differences don't matter to your average consumer they were trying to steal customers from FF and PS2 with Fable, its obvious.

**bustabusta196** · 05-03-2005

mmm the reason they HAVE to compare ms/fable with sony/ff is because really thats all ms has to offer for good RPGs.. and ill say it now.. if you havent played fable urself mak.. fable and ff are 2 compeltly different stylez.

**siren** · 05-03-2005

If you want to go along those lines, then I would use Knights of the Old Republic more. It is a lot closer to JRPGs and also was significantly more advertised and sold significantly better.

**Makaveli_786** · 05-03-2005

What I am trying to say is MS wanted RPG's to compete with PS2, now if a consumer goes into a store and see's a PS2 and an Xbox he's going to explore the range of RPG's and he's not going to look at specifics, he's going to choose either the big RPG Fable on Xbox or the big RPG Final Fantasy on PS2, MS wanted Fable to be a big success so it could bring some RPG light to the Xbox, wouldn't take take customers from FF and the PS2?

**siren** · 05-03-2005

Yes, but does that mean that MS targetted Final Fantasy gamers with Fable? No.

MS targetted people who didn't like the Final Fantasy style of gameplay. Players who wanted to actually feel like that affected the world and weren't just walking through a pre-scripted movie.

**bustabusta196** · 05-03-2005

Fable seemed kinda weird for me.. just wasnt really into the lets walk around to every person and find clues or w/e.. just like morrowind.. never liked that either.. but final fantasy and phantasy star were really the only 2 rpgs i liked..

You said it right in your post... MS wanted Fable to be a big success so it could bring some RPG light to the Xbox. NOT to take on FF..

**Makaveli_786** · 05-03-2005

But it would take on FF directly, when people talk about RPG's on PS2 they talk about PS2, if somebody goes out and buys a console theyr either going to go with FF on PS2 or Fable on Xbox, if they go with Fable on Xbox Fable has stolen a potential FF customer AKA it is in competition with FF, now Fable has to make itself more appealing than FF so people buy XBox's instead of PS2's, what exactly do you guys think competition means?

Sure its a different type of RPG but it was made to counteract PS2's dominant RPG and that is FF.

**bustabusta196** · 05-03-2005

So every single FPS sony makes its to trounce Halo??? Is that why people buy xbox's for Halo?

**Makaveli_786** · 05-03-2005

Halo was MASSIVE shifter of Xbox consoles, if somebody wanted an FPS they'd see the Xbox and PS2 and buy the Xbox, Sony's counter was Killzone, its the same with the Fable-FF thing.

**muchuukuri** · 05-03-2005

Let's put it this way... the FF series is arguably the King of RPGs (I'd say DQ, but we'll think world wide). When Fable was being made they said it would redefine the genre, that it would bring us to this new ethereal level and it would be the marker for what RPGs are to be... in other words... dethrown the King... and whos the King? FF. Done. It's not that M$ tried to put a gun to SE's head, it's that they were trying to take the thrown of RPGs and you HAVE TO go through the King. Thus they were in competition... I don't see how no one else sees this? When Fable was in production ALL I heard was how it's gonna FF's butt and so on... everyone who cared about Fable seemed to argue this.

Besides look at the way companies do stuff, they make games to kick out the competition... Jak was made fight Mario, Forza was made to fight GT, Kilzone was made to fight Halo, and Fable was made to fight FF.

**Makaveli_786** · 05-03-2005

The reason a company says redefine something is because they can't win the present market so they want to make their own market, MS tried to take on PS2 directly and failed, now with the Xbox 360 theyr saying they want to create a new market for older people and mothers and god knows what, when you can't steal a market you try to make your own but then you end up with competing markets.

**muchuukuri** · 05-03-2005

?? Isn't it the other way around? M$ was originally aiming at the oldr and hardcore market... now they're aiming for more of the teen market and family market. Or am I somehow saying the same thing???

Anyway, I don't think that's the case... when someone says redefine... I think they really do think they got something amazing... whether it is... meh... but I don't necessarily think they're trying to, you know, run away from the competition... I just think they're trying to say they have a good idea. Though this may be an issue of semanitcs... I think.

**Fedos** · 05-03-2005

Finally some much needed info on one of Mistwalker's games. I'm wondering though, is this Blue Dragon game the Mistwalker game that Sakaguchi described as realistic or cartoony?