OK - So, alot of Features announced...

**andywhitto** · 07-15-2008

But what about games ? I mean what new upcoming games did MS reveal ? The only games they showed were multi-plat except for like Fable2 + Gears2 (already announced). There are alot of new features on their way soon and was great to hear, but the 360 is primarily a games machine and to be honest MS was dissapointing in that most of the conference news was for the casual audience, the only new game details that were announced was FF XIII.

This is an argument that Sony was getting much stick for last year, in that it was a Games platform not multi-media, yet MS is now the company that is focussing more on multi-media and has proven that with the lackluster of newley announced IPs and new focuss on TV show and Movie downloads.

This is now where Sony can gain ground. They have a very large lineup of first and second party titles, along with several unnanounced titles (of which some may be revealed in the conference).

So do you think MS is loosing perspective and is chasing the casual gaming audience or do you think that their line-up shown in the conference is sufficient and are pleased with what they showed us?

**Mr.360** · 07-15-2008

I agree with you on the fact that MS should have talked about more games. However i think it was a good move for MS to talk more in perspective to multi-media. i mean when you look at the PS3 one of the things that makes it great is that it's a multi-media device that can be used for a lot more then just gaming. I think if the 360 can get to that level as well it will make the system much more enjoyable to the public.

**Redman_DK** · 07-15-2008

I'd rather have them not show anything instead of showing games that wont be out before 2012.

And I don't think E3 is over yet.

**overthirtygamernj** · 07-15-2008

Full Release Games (Some of these maybe timed exclusives)
Fable 2
Gears 2
Banjo Kazooie
Lips (Kareokie Game)
Scene It 2
Too Human
Halo Wars
You’re in the Movies
Viva Piñata: Trouble in Paradise
Infinite Undiscovery” (Square Enix)
The Last Remnant” (Square Enix)

XBLA
1 vs 100
UNO RUSH
Galaga Legions
Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved 2
Portal: Still Alive (a sequel to Portal from the Big Orange Box)

**andywhitto** · 07-15-2008

yes there is a great line-up of exclusive/timed exclusive games, but my point is that there were no new IP's announced, no new games that we do not know about that are in development, after these games have been released this year we have nothing to look forward to next year.

Also E3 isn't over yet and they could announce something at the end of it to finish off so we could still see more from them, but it can be a bad strategy not to show what is to come in the future to their gaming platform.

**overthirtygamernj** · 07-15-2008

Their focus at E3 the last couple of years seems to be the holiday season of that upcoming year. If you want to see a list of possibly exclusives for 2009 and beyond go here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_360_games

Sort the column NA and it will go by date. There are numerous console and other exclusives, most of which I've never heard of. I'd rather get solid details on upcoming games than the speculative nonsense that used to be given at prior E3's---only to be disappointed with tons of delays and poor final products.

**andywhitto** · 07-15-2008

Originally Posted by overthirtygamernj

Their focus at E3 the last couple of years seems to be the holiday season of that upcoming year. If you want to see a list of possibly exclusives for 2009 and beyond go here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_360_games

Sort the column NA and it will go by date. There are numerous console and other exclusives, most of which I've never heard of. I'd rather get solid details on upcoming games than the speculative nonsense that used to be given at prior E3's---only to be disappointed with tons of delays and poor final products.

lol bit of a hint ?

an yes your right, i like to know what is coming out firmly this year with no delays, but i also like to be shown new stuff that is currently in development that is atleast on it's way and to look forward to.

Why not have both ? - reveal games on their way in a year or so and reveal games that are going to launch before the end of this year ?

**SCAR777** · 07-15-2008

I already have a stack of games that i haven't finished yet and with sc4 gow2 halo wars fallout 3 sw force unleashed and many more kickass games coming out thru march 09 I can't afford any more ,nor do i have the time to play any more because learning to shred on my guitar is more important .

**Stickboy46** · 07-15-2008

Microsoft doesnt show off games until they know they can deliver at least around the date they say at the show. If they are uncertain they dont show it. They arent like Sony that shows something, then delays it 19 times and it comes out 5 years later.

**xSoFine69o** · 07-15-2008

Plus wait for the Bungie announcement tomorrow morning...I have a feeling that it might end lives

**Nuvian** · 07-15-2008

Moving this to the E3 section.

**Mr.360** · 07-15-2008

All i know is that all the companies are coming out with some intersting games. i sure when the week is up we are all going to be impressed somehow.

X2 · 07-15-2008

We will worry about next year when it get here. The last time MS show future games they weren't ready and they got pwn for ie: Too Human. Next year money isn't here yet, I got now money though.

**Icedemon** · 07-16-2008

I think it was last E3 they announced alot of games only to have those games get delayed by the developer. I think they just playing it safe. I'm more excited about this new dashboard right now. I got enough games on my plate. But when they do drop I hope to God they be far away from each other in terms of release dates. My wallet can't take no more of these games coming basically a day after each other. This is bringing me back to the days when No Limit Records use to drop a album which seemed like weekly. Were they good albums? Probably not but then still did it.

**ryumo** · 07-16-2008

Originally Posted by Stickboy46

Microsoft doesnt show off games until they know they can deliver at least around the date they say at the show. If they are uncertain they dont show it. They arent like Sony that shows something, then delays it 19 times and it comes out 5 years later.

Pretty much... I don't mind them not showing me CGI of games that I won't get to play until years from today. Show me what I'll be able to walk into a store and buy in a matter of months.

Absence of evidence /= evidence of absence

Think about it.

**A7MAD** · 07-16-2008

Originally Posted by rikwakefield

I'm sick of developers announcing games that aren't going to be out for yeaaaaars (I'm looking at you Killzone 2).

If it was up to me, we'd only know of a game 6-12 months before it's worldwide release.

I totally agree with you 100%

Not only am I also looking at KZ2 but I'll be looking at MAG for some time also...

**Cruel_Assassin** · 07-18-2008

I's have to disagree. I like the fact that companies outline and know which games they have available in development for the forcasted year of 2009 and beyond.

Killzone 2 and God of War 3 are 2009/2010 titles however, it is good to know that you have something to look foward to instead of waiting for an announcement as such. It gives customers more reasoning to keep their console

**mickice** · 07-18-2008

Originally Posted by A7MAD

I totally agree with you 100%

Not only am I also looking at KZ2 but I'll be looking at MAG for some time also...

But you have to admit it's a good idea, it make SONY look as if they have 2x as many games.

**Naxi** · 07-18-2008

Originally Posted by mickice

But you have to admit it's a good idea, it make SONY look as if they have 2x as many games.

So there'd be bigger list wars and that's what they pretty much become, a name in a list.I absolutely loose interest thanks to that.

**InTheGame** · 07-18-2008

Uhm...

I will have to agree. It's better to have a full reveal of games with release dates rather than a bunch of CGI trailers of games "taunted" for next year, then being pushed over and over again.

**A7MAD** · 07-18-2008

Originally Posted by mickice

But you have to admit it's a good idea, it make SONY look as if they have 2x as many games.

Well I think it's a double edged sword honestly, announcing games today that will release in 3 to 4 years does not leave much love in some people's hearts for Sony. You hear a lot of angry gamers waiting on many of those AAA titles, maybe just not in this forum though (doesn't mean people are not upset or "switching sides").

**Cruel_Assassin** · 07-18-2008

Originally Posted by A7MAD

Well I think it's a double edged sword honestly, announcing games today that will release in 3 to 4 years does not leave much love in some people's hearts for Sony. You hear a lot of angry gamers waiting on many of those AAA titles, maybe just not in this forum though (doesn't mean people are not upset or "switching sides").

Maybe so, but when they do release they'll be so good that sales will go through the roof. It's already started with MGS4.

Microsoft has to reassure gamers that they have titles in the making which they haven't done.

**Naxi** · 07-18-2008

Originally Posted by Cruel_Assassin

Maybe so, but when they do release they'll be so good that sales will go through the roof. It's already started with MGS4.

That's not because they were shown many years earlier.

Microsoft has to reassure gamers that they have titles in the making which they haven't done.

No they don't, they've focused on 08 and it's not even over yet.I don't want to focus on far away titles.

**Blu-Ray** · 07-18-2008

I disagree. I think that the Xbox360 needed more features.

**Cruel_Assassin** · 07-18-2008

Originally Posted by Naxi

That's not because they were shown many years earlier.
No they don't, they've focused on 08 and it's not even over yet.I don't want to focus on far away titles.

Well maybe not, but it does give gamers a sense of reassurance thet their console is going to stay for the long run.