Purported insider talks about the Revolution?

**NeoKron** · 05-09-2005

Well back to the Revolution. I think Nintendo has gotten a lot smarter with innovation. The thing is, a heating controller. Once my mom hears about this, she's gonna use it to cook and bake(bad joke, heh heh). The thing is Nintendo kind of took it too far with innovation. Everything should be going well for Nintendo. They should watch the opponents and make better decisions. If I worked for Nintendo, I would watch what Sony and Microsoft have done and what they are doing now for their next-gen counsles and make those ideas better.

**straightballin** · 05-10-2005

There wouldnt be enough time to watch what there doing. Nitendo is scared that Sony and Microsoft are gonna take what they did and make it better.

**PS Gamer** · 05-10-2005

In my eye's Nintendo died when the 64 came out...that ended my Nintendo buying days....Nintendo better and I mean REALLY better impress me, or there chances of getting my hard earned money are slim and none. I still think this person is just a BSer but who am I to say....The revolution might be "Revolutionary" but I believe the 360 will beat it, as well as the PS3.

This is how I see this upcoming generation from a consumer standpoint:

1.PS3 Will be the fastest (CPU wise) system. With pretty awesome looking graphics.
2.360 will be the best graphics system. With a pretty good CPU.
3.Rev will be innovative, but slower then both the 360 & PS3, and half decent graphics.

Like I have said, Nintendo has to REALLY impress me to buy there system...but since the 64, I have been on a Hyatus of Nintendo.

**Makaveli_786** · 05-10-2005

I don't get that, the PS3 will have the most powerful CPU but the graphics will lack while the Revolution will launch after Xbox 360 yet have weaker hardware?

If the Revolution launchs 6 months after the XBox 360 and picks up the best available GPU and CPU at that time it should easily beat Xbox 360 hardware wise and the PS3 with supposedly the most powerful CPU will obviously excel in graphics.

**Cedric** · 05-10-2005

I believe the XBOX 360 will have the weakest hardware of the three this time round. Maybe Nintendo will go better because of that.

**PS Gamer** · 05-10-2005

Like Iwata has said before, they are not going for power or graphics this gen, they are going for Innovation.

It is easily possible for the PS3 to have faster CPU, and the 360 a better GPU. It depends on a few certain key facts....one is that if the CPU and the GPU will communicate, I am not going to leak anything upon this...and I believe this will be said at E3. Next is the Company for the graphics card, ATi vs. nVidia. Right there is a huge battle.

**DezNutz** · 05-10-2005

What if Revolution is more powerful then 360? I bet it will be. Also Siren stating that Revolution ideas of online gaming are nothing new, and probably not as good as compared to Live 2.0 or whatever is on 360 is again missing the main point, Revolution will do all Live currentley does FOR FREE.

As I see it Sony is still miles ahead, and will remain dominate number 1 in next gen. Looks like Nintendo is learning, and making a great console along with great franchise games this time around, and will regain command of second in the console wars..

Microsoft making least profit this generation, and having to be first on next generation, already leading to the weakest hardware console, and seemingly now the most week game lineup = last console for microsoft, only get a 360 if you are having with sega saturn, atari jaguar, or dreamcast.

**Makaveli_786** · 05-10-2005

What accoridng to who is Revolution doing online for free???

WOW thats a sweet deal, I'd really appreciate Nintendo if they did free online.

Anyway I don't see why people keep comparing ATi and Nvidia, the cards will be similar in power if anything, in fact they could easily be identical in power but the ATi card in my opinion will outpower the Nvidia card but this is not a PC we're talking about, if we relied solely on the GPU for the next gen graphics the next-gen consoles would have very similar graphics if anything the XBox 360 would have better graphics but i REPEAT THIS IS NOT A PC, the next-gen consoles will rely on CPU just as much as GPU to create the graphics, thats why Sony went out of their way to create a powerful CPU and MS are sticking in 3 CPU's.

Next-gen consoles will rely heavily on the CPU for graphics as well as the GPU, chances are the GPU will have a smaller part in creating graphics than the CPU, I expect the Xbox 360 CPU to handle at least 20% of the graphics workload and the cell could easily manage upto 90% if they wanted it to, the power of the CPU is a significant factor in graphics, the graphics cards are similar the power of the CPU will determine how far the graphics excel in each console.

**PS Gamer** · 05-10-2005

Thats what I am saying Maka,

Im taking in condsideration that we have these things installed on a computer.

I mean, No one can tell what card is going to be better...there gonna look a lot the same.

Though on a computer, we can tell what the best card is.

Using a computer is really the only way to tell, with Speed and Power of the CPUs, and the Graphical Power of the GPUs

**siren** · 05-10-2005

Originally Posted by DezNutz

Microsoft making least profit this generation, and having to be first on next generation, already leading to the weakest hardware console, and seemingly now the most week game lineup = last console for microsoft, only get a 360 if you are having with sega saturn, atari jaguar, or dreamcast.

First does not mean weakest. But this is definately a likely outcome. But don't forget that Microsoft is compensating for that by having better development tools that allow developers to get more power out of the system easier.

Where is your weak game lineup information coming from? If we were to compare known games coming to each of the next generation systems right now MS would be in the lead. But then again, they are the only one with any games really announced at all. Also, comparing the 360 to the Saturn, Jaguar, and Dreamcast is nothing more than FUD, and you are well aware of this fact DezNuts. You aren't exactly new around here.

**Smily0012** · 05-10-2005

Well put it this way Siren you cant relay on just software to make up for all the weakness the system has in power. Software will only get u so far. For example if the ps3 is going to have 3 times as much power as the xbox360 and they extract only 2/3 of the power out of it then its still going to be 2 times more powerful.

**Makaveli_786** · 05-10-2005

You can actually do amazing things with software, really amazing things, you can make things look much more detailed but thats graphics wise, a lot of things like AI and real complex tricls need raw power though so things should be interesting.

Sony aren't headed into a hardware vs software war anyway, they have Nvidia on their side, Sony are using basically the same software but they have more power to make use of even more complex and powerful programs and thats what Sony want, thats why Nvidia is on board Sony could have designed their own GPU.

**Damnit** · 05-11-2005

Maka, Siren, PSG You guys have already heard of the PPU right? What exactly is that things purpose? Could it be some sort of a processor(CPU type) forced to calculate only the physics? Well, I know what it is but don't know the tech how to say so don't answer yet.

Anyways, that was a very vague idea I created there but it should cover what I'm trying to say ahead. What if additional powers of M$ and Sony's CPU are to be utilized for this feature?

A certain part of the CPU forced to calculate on the physics since there is so much power left aside from generating mind blowing graphics, thanks partly to the GPU's. Ageia were very convincing when they put a statement at GDC that they'll be taking measures to have its PPU implemented in future consoles. How far in the future is debatable but I was hoping along the lines of Xbox360 and PS3.

What do you guys think? Did Sony and M$ already took the measures to implement it somehow in their consoles without Ageia's help? So far we haven't heard of the PPU feature even in the most revealed console atm, the XBox360.

**siren** · 05-11-2005

PPU's do sound like a great Idea in general, but I doubt we will see one in either the PS3 or the Xbox360. Both have extremely powerful CPU's (the PS3 even more so) that can do a lot of what a PPU's purpose would be.

I expect the PPU's to be really big in PC's at some point. This will allow game developers to not have to rely on the CPU for nearly as much, almost completely seperating their game processes from the rest of the system.

I also expect PPU's to be integrated onto the graphics boards. I don't see them selling them as a seperate card and having high enough adoption that way for developers to code for them.

**Makaveli_786** · 05-11-2005

I don't know when its coming but it looks interesting, PhysX is amazing it simulated 50,000 rigid bones when your average CPU can barely do 200, it is a possibility the next-gen consoles will have their own physics processing units, I think the consoles will take any advantage they can get to make their graphics better and in a couple of years we should see them rolling out, a lot of developers are interesting in what AGEIA are doing, you can see from the impression they left at GDC, I think PPU's will take off over the next couple of years and using them in consoles would be a great idea, they can accomplish much more than anything now and they can scale them incredibly in terms of power and function.

**Damnit** · 05-11-2005

Siren, Maka. I'm thinking we haven't seen the next-gen versions of Nvidia and ATI. What if they are actually brewing something along the lines of an onboard PPU, eh? Since we all know that the GPU's in both M$ and Sony's console are hybrid versions, wouldn't it be a safe guess that there is a chance of that happening? Both have seen Ageia and how strong impression they left at GDC(which maka also said).

What if this E3 we'll see both Microsoft and Sony with these features thanks to quick integration job Ageia pulled off with Nvida/ATI backdoors while at GDC :P

Speculating my behind off, hell yea. Nothing wrong with that. Just that we're so close to the unveilings, I'm feeling almost helpless here. Wanna feed something to my brain.

**PS Gamer** · 05-11-2005

I could talk about the PPU for hours on end, though I just don't feel up to it right now

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Anyway, back to the games. Siren is totally correct, currently the X360 has the best line up so far. (On gamespot.com) sony only has Multiconsole games. Though we havn't gotten the launch title for the PS3 yet....I think Kutaragi is to talk about the launch titles (At E3)...not too sure on that.

Once E3 rolls around we'll get to see the PS3's launch lineup (hopefully :P).

**Makaveli_786** · 05-11-2005

Sony and Nintendo will have to try hard to top MS's lineup they have some pretty big sequels lined up, I personally can't wait to see a lot of next-gen titles like Jak and Daxter and MGS4 on the PS3, the ultimate killer launch title would definetly be GTA though, there probably isn't a bigger launch title than that.

**muchuukuri** · 05-11-2005

I have my doubts as to seeing a PPU next gen...

XBox360 -- No way -- Ageia has said themselve that it can't go into one console for sure, because the specs are already locked down... that's gotta be X2... it's the 1st out, so imaginably so they'd be the 1st to lock down.

PS3 -- No way -- To uneconomical, the PS3s getting very very fancy hardware, I doubt there's room in the budget for a PPU.

Revolution -- Could be -- The rev is, as far as we know, still a jumble of parts, so a PPU could very well be added into the design at this stage, more over Nintendo needs something to set themselves apart graphics, yes they're going in a difference direction but graphics still matter. Having the PPU has obvious advantages, and seeing how Nintendo is more of a use what's proven company rather than a create something new, the PPU is an appealling option.

**PS Gamer** · 05-11-2005

Originally Posted by Makaveli_786

Sony and Nintendo will have to try hard to top MS's lineup they have some pretty big sequels lined up, I personally can't wait to see a lot of next-gen titles like Jak and Daxter and MGS4 on the PS3, the ultimate killer launch title would definetly be GTA though, there probably isn't a bigger launch title than that.

In my eyes, a bigger title for launch would be Final Fantasy.

**straightballin** · 05-11-2005

I thought xbox 360 was going to have a ppu

**bustabusta196** · 05-11-2005

There hasnt been any confirmation on whats going to be in any next gen consoles.. well all just have to wait till E3 to get the final word on things..

**Makaveli_786** · 05-11-2005

It just shows what we all really know about next-gen consoles, with all the new emerging technologies I think there are stil a few things that need to be panned out but a PPU would not be as expensive as thought out, might require quite a bit of power though, it is a possibility albeit a small one.

**Damnit** · 05-11-2005

I agree with Maka, just how much a PPU can be? It was said it can be produced for the age old PCI slot. Which just goes on to say that the onboard processor wasn't like super duper speedy but enough to handle physics. So lemme be and speculate how it is possible for it to appear in new consoles this gen(we're now here in next-gen! right?).

Given it has an onboard processor, which isn't too fast. Meaning, if Ageia were at GDC to discuss its implementation into PC's and games and what not. Also given that they made splashes in the industry with this new technology. I'm figuring, in order to carve themselves a niche in the market, they just might have considered leveraging their technology to M$ Nintendo and Sony.

I think I confused you all there. Lemme rephrase that. What I meant was, what if Ageia in order to advance in the gaming industry took the steps to let its technology be integrated into next-gen platforms such as Xbox360, PS3 and Rev. How expensive would it really be to these big companies if they license it in huge quantites(discounts anyone!) and just take the properiety physics architechture and implement it in such a manner that it uses their super fast CPU's instead of working as a seperate card. Just exist in those boxes like a small IC rather than a standalone card.

Why do I speculate that? because we've already heard of Ageia planning on having PhysX integrated into forms(mainboards etc) other than their specific PCI cards. So anything is possible from a company that is trying to make a name in our beloved industry.

Even if this is all speculation, I do think, if they had tried it would have been possible. What I said may just be true, or maybe not. Cheers!