Will Revolution Play Spoiler to PlayStation 3's Dominance?!

[die4ps3]

okay, i think we all agree that ps3 is gonna sell out at launch, and that there will probably be shortages for a few months. they'll hit 10 million consoles the first year easily if they can make the supply.

but i'm thinking long term, beyond the first or second year. okay, the ps2 sold 100 million consoles while the ps3 is aimed to sell 200 million. one thing the worked in ps2's advantage was the head start + game library + loyal fans + competitive price.

i believe the xbox was the most expensive when released and the gamecube wasn't much cheaper, therefore ps2 dominated.

but this time, revolution may come out at around $150-$250. That could be a THIRD to HALF of ps3's price! that's a HUGE difference. if i'm a parent, i'm gonna be looking at the revolution VERY SERIOUSLY.

whats more, it could end up being buying a revolution PLUS 360 may not be much more than geting ONE ps3. obviously if the rev was $150 that's gonna be trouble, but even at $250, getting both that and 360 would still be $650 EVEN IF the 360 doesn't reduce its price as expected.

so from a cost standpoint, its gonna look REALL attractive to get a rev, whether on its own or with the 360.

of course ps3 is better and has blu-ray and all the features, but realistically i'm worried that nintendo is gonna cause a lot of trouble. and im just talking america, who knows if they just really take off in japan like the ds vs. psp.

i see this as kinda like the u.s. presidential elections. remember how ross perot was the spoiler and basically gave the election to clinton by taking votes away from bush sr? same as nadar took votes from gore and let bush jr win?

this next-gen race may not be about majority anymore, but just plain who has most market share. if M$ gets up to 40% i think its gonna be really bad since they have so much ca$h and can then probably strongarm or entice some of the games developers into 360 exclusives and such.

man, i was looking forward to getting the rev but now i wonder if i would be supporting m$ if i did so?

[Itaintrite]

I don't really see the point of this thread. If you want to buy a Revolution, then buy one. You don't need to justify your action. Will buying a Rev "help" Microsoft indirectly? Perhaps. But will you gain satisfaction from buying a Rev? Probably. So why not? It doesn't really matter anyway, PS3 will sell. Nobody can deny that.

[TGO]

ppl say fanboys are ppl who can't afford more then one console
what you're worried about is the same reason why fanboys support only one console
and what I just wrote didn't make any sense what so ever!

[die4ps3]

I don't really see the point of this thread. If you want to buy a Revolution, then buy one. You don't need to justify your action. Will buying a Rev "help" Microsoft indirectly? Perhaps. But will you gain satisfaction from buying a Rev? Probably. So why not? It doesn't really matter anyway, PS3 will sell. Nobody can deny that.

what i'm talking about is not me personally but how the next-gen market share will play out. like i stated, yes the ps3 will sell out the first 1 or 2 years but how long will it last?

ps2 sold 100 million in 5 years, and yet the ps3 is aimed to see double that. so you would think the conditions need to be even greater than last gen, right?

but like i pointed out, the rev could be the serious spoiler this time. not only will it be at least 50% the price, maybe even less, but that buying the rev PLUS the 360 may not be that much more than the ps3.

so sure, the hardcore ps fans like us are gonna get the ps3 no matter what. but i think the majority of buyers are not hardcore and they do care how much they spend.

revolution unfortunately looks like much more of a value proposition, and while i dont think rev will sell more than ps3, i think it can help ps3 lose A LOT of market share to the 360.

[VariableEntity]

what i'm talking about is not me personally but how the next-gen market share will play out. like i stated, yes the ps3 will sell out the first 1 or 2 years but how long will it last?

The sales of the PS3 will last as long as there is good software support for it, just like it did with the PS2, and the PS1 before it. As long as the developers support a specific console and release games that people want to play for it, the console will continue selling.

I'm not even going to try and make projections and guesses about how a console that's not even on sale and doesn't have a confirmed RRP yet is going to do 2 years down the line atm since there's no way of knowing that yet, it's all just going to be personal opinions and speculation anyway.

[gargamelo]

if the games are great and have fantastic new cutting edge space graphics and there is lots and lots of them pricing will never be an issue for success. specially if the console itself has far more features than the competitors.
what on other hand could fail the PS3 would be if to few games would arrive in time and start seeing developers cancel releases. but im pretty sure that wont happen to ps3

[die4ps3]

what i'm talking about is not me personally but how the next-gen market share will play out. like i stated, yes the ps3 will sell out the first 1 or 2 years but how long will it last?

The sales of the PS3 will last as long as there is good software support for it, just like it did with the PS2, and the PS1 before it. As long as the developers support a specific console and release games that people want to play for it, the console will continue selling.

I'm not even going to try and make projections and guesses about how a console that's not even on sale and doesn't have a confirmed RRP yet is going to do 2 years down the line atm since there's no way of knowing that yet, it's all just going to be personal opinions and speculation anyway.

if the games are great and have fantastic new cutting edge space graphics and there is lots and lots of them pricing will never be an issue for success. specially if the console itself has far more features than the competitors.
what on other hand could fail the PS3 would be if to few games would arrive in time and start seeing developers cancel releases. but im pretty sure that wont happen to ps3

yes it's true that if a console like ps3 has great games that people would support it, but i think it has to be more like EXCLUSIVE games.

now we all know the ps3 will have exclusives of most of our favorite titles, that's why ps2 is so great. but what i'm concerned about is exactly how long thats gonna last.

what if the rev starts gaining enough market share it starts to approach equalizing the share between ps3, rev and 360? remember ps2 had 70% market share, and this provided enough incentive for games publishers to keep being ps2 exclusive.

but lets say sony gets cut down to 50% because of rev. do you think game developers will still be so keen to launch titles only for ps3?

of course i hope so but i think the increasing competition between developers for game sales is gonna cut a number of exclusives we're used to for the ps2. more and more franchises are gonna be multi-platform so that evens out the console playing field even more.

i just hope sony has more tricks up their sleve or can entice developers with more profit sharing to keep up the exclusive titles, otherwise not only will it hurt sony but it will be bad for us ps3 gamers as well.

[PS3 rocks]

I highly doubt the REV will do much to hurt the PS3 i mean this gen the Rev is behind hardware wise and people will see a difference in the graphic's though you have a good point about parent's seeing that the REV is a cheat next gen console compared to the PS3 but little kids can't see everything when they look into the gaming world they want the best.

So when they decide they will think hey the PS3 and 360 look way better thats what i want for christmas/birthday whatever. Most parent's wouldn't want to disapoint their kids. Everyone knows that if the REV sells out than the PS3 will too sales will look good for REV because they sold all their units but as the 2007 goes on the PS3's probably won't decline for a long time while the REV's won't sell nearly the same ammout as the PS3

so thats my prediction

[St Jude]

It's really up to Microsoft...they determine how the next-gen hardcore gamer race will go...the Revolution really doesn't matter in that area of attraction to the hardcore gamer...it will have different games that will try to cater to everyone and their dog...it's only relevent because it's another video-game console but with a twist obviously. Pardon the pun...

To me Microsoft are giving Sony a run for their money with the 360...atleast in the US and Europe. I think Sony will have it really hard in Japan...the Revolution is pretty much guaranteed the same success if not more than the DS over there. If anyone wants to argue other-wise be my guest but I think Nintendo are pretty much assured success in Japan. The Revolution equals quirky and weird and that sells in Jpan. In US and Europe I feel it will be a different story...the Revolution will be behind the PS3 and 360...in sales.

If gamers want a change then the Revolution will be competitive...but me personally I feel there are too many people who just want the same games with better graphics...and thus that formula will prevail over different and more unique games on offer by Nintendo's Revolution.

That said...alot of people are planning to get the Revolution as a 2nd console to their 360 or PS3...so that's a bit of a grey area in terms of what that translates into...

[wotter]

REV will sell good, because most people want the REV as their second console. I see the REV selling very well in Japan, the only place where REV can outsell the ps3.

[VariableEntity]

what i'm talking about is not me personally but how the next-gen market share will play out. like i stated, yes the ps3 will sell out the first 1 or 2 years but how long will it last?

The sales of the PS3 will last as long as there is good software support for it, just like it did with the PS2, and the PS1 before it. As long as the developers support a specific console and release games that people want to play for it, the console will continue selling.

I'm not even going to try and make projections and guesses about how a console that's not even on sale and doesn't have a confirmed RRP yet is going to do 2 years down the line atm since there's no way of knowing that yet, it's all just going to be personal opinions and speculation anyway.

if the games are great and have fantastic new cutting edge space graphics and there is lots and lots of them pricing will never be an issue for success. specially if the console itself has far more features than the competitors.
what on other hand could fail the PS3 would be if to few games would arrive in time and start seeing developers cancel releases. but im pretty sure that wont happen to ps3

yes it's true that if a console like ps3 has great games that people would support it, but i think it has to be more like EXCLUSIVE games.

now we all know the ps3 will have exclusives of most of our favorite titles, that's why ps2 is so great. but what i'm concerned about is exactly how long thats gonna last.

what if the rev starts gaining enough market share it starts to approach equalizing the share between ps3, rev and 360? remember ps2 had 70% market share, and this provided enough incentive for games publishers to keep being ps2 exclusive.

but lets say sony gets cut down to 50% because of rev. do you think game developers will still be so keen to launch titles only for ps3?

of course i hope so but i think the increasing competition between developers for game sales is gonna cut a number of exclusives we're used to for the ps2. more and more franchises are gonna be multi-platform so that evens out the console playing field even more.

i just hope sony has more tricks up their sleve or can entice developers with more profit sharing to keep up the exclusive titles, otherwise not only will it hurt sony but it will be bad for us ps3 gamers as well.

True, exclusive content for each console is important, but regardless of market share etc, I have a feeling that exclusive content for the next gen consoles will be more of a situation of which company (Sony/MS/Nintendo) offers devs the most lucrative deals to make exclusive content for their system, with the market share of the console playing a smaller part than it did before.

With the cost of game development going skyhigh, and it's just going to keep going up with the next gen systems since they are capable of doing so much more, so more stuff can be added into games (and I'm not just referring to prettier visuals), developers will be looking at the best way to recover as much of the development costs for a game and make a profit so they can stay in business and make more games by going multi-platform, unless MS/Sony/Nintendo makes it worth their while not to do that with specific titles. Going multi-platform is just another way for devs to ensure that they have the biggest pontential unit sales for a title at the end of the day.

We're still just speculating here tho, anything is possible in the future, but I'm pretty sure that we dont need to worry about ending up not having any quality games to play, regardless of the console we choose at the end of the day.

[nick²]

I don't know how anyone could wants a revolution after gamecube...

[Nunalho]

I, myself am gonna get both i hope.

[Steroyd]

Will Revolution Play Spoiler to PlayStation 3's Dominance?!

to put it simple NO.

Nintendo have got to the point where they're a sub console for the household and the price range reflects upon that.

People are going to choose either PS3 or Xbox 360 (because their exclusives are so similar), and have the cheap revolution right next to it.
It's highly unlikely people are going to choose either PS3 or Revolution and stick with just one.

True, exclusive content for each console is important, but regardless of market share etc, I have a feeling that exclusive content for the next gen consoles will be more of a situation of which company (Sony/MS/Nintendo) offers devs the most lucrative deals to make exclusive content for their system, with the market share of the console playing a smaller part than it did before.

erm... all of revolutions games are going to be exclusive to some extent the controller has not even a third of buttons a PS3 or Xbox 360 controller has....

Sony and MS are the ones who are going to have to find the lucrative deals, but a majority of Sony's exclusive content comes from third party titles.

[Col. Peck3r]

I will be buying all 3 systems (360 last though) and I am really looking forward to the Revolution, as much as PS3. Fuck the fanboys, they will miss out and that is fine with me. I love all great games equally, regardless of color, design, size, and even religion.

I will probly buy the PS3 first, but I won't wait in line. Did that for the PS2 launch and was 11th in line, but the store only had 10. Homie don't play that

[Stoffinator]

ppl say fanboys are ppl who can't afford more then one console........

I say that is people who have other stuff to pay. Like bills, family and so on. Not a fanboy. Although I don't see anything wrong with being a fan of one console and not liking the others. Just aslong as your not flaming the others or going onto boards and causing trouble and so on.

[Graham]

ppl say fanboys are ppl who can't afford more then one console
what you're worried about is the same reason why fanboys support only one console
and what I just wrote didn't make any sense what so ever!

Damn right it didn't make any sense! Fanboys are people who can't afford more than one console? What if they have a PS1, PS2, PS3, PSP etc.? All by SONY, owning multiple consoles, yet could still be called a fanboy based on their attitude.

Anyway, as has already been pointed out, believe it or not some people (including myself) have financial commitments beyond just games, such as running a household and keeping the family happy and safe. Just the small things, ya' know.

On topic, there is no way I can see Revolution spoiling SONY's party. It's a complimentary product, not a competitor, and Nintendo know that. It's why they pulled out of the "power battle" and went for a product that is cheap enough, different enough, and appealing enough to entice all breeds of gamer (except the fanboys obviously). I know I'll be getting a Revolution as well as my PS3.

[SonySan]

I don't really see the point of this thread. If you want to buy a Revolution, then buy one. You don't need to justify your action. Will buying a Rev "help" Microsoft indirectly? Perhaps. But will you gain satisfaction from buying a Rev? Probably. So why not? It doesn't really matter anyway, PS3 will sell. Nobody can deny that.

what i'm talking about is not me personally but how the next-gen market share will play out. like i stated, yes the ps3 will sell out the first 1 or 2 years but how long will it last?

ps2 sold 100 million in 5 years, and yet the ps3 is aimed to see double that. so you would think the conditions need to be even greater than last gen, right?

but like i pointed out, the rev could be the serious spoiler this time. not only will it be at least 50% the price, maybe even less, but that buying the rev PLUS the 360 may not be that much more than the ps3.

so sure, the hardcore ps fans like us are gonna get the ps3 no matter what. but i think the majority of buyers are not hardcore and they do care how much they spend.

revolution unfortunately looks like much more of a value proposition, and while i dont think rev will sell more than ps3, i think it can help ps3 lose A LOT of market share to the 360.

[quote="die4ps3"]

I don't really see the point of this thread. If you want to buy a Revolution, then buy one. You don't need to justify your action. Will buying a Rev "help" Microsoft indirectly? Perhaps. But will you gain satisfaction from buying a Rev? Probably. So why not? It doesn't really matter anyway, PS3 will sell. Nobody can deny that.

[die4ps3]

ppl say fanboys are ppl who can't afford more then one console
what you're worried about is the same reason why fanboys support only one console
and what I just wrote didn't make any sense what so ever!

Damn right it didn't make any sense! Fanboys are people who can't afford more than one console? What if they have a PS1, PS2, PS3, PSP etc.? All by SONY, owning multiple consoles, yet could still be called a fanboy based on their attitude.

Anyway, as has already been pointed out, believe it or not some people (including myself) have financial commitments beyond just games, such as running a household and keeping the family happy and safe. Just the small things, ya' know.

On topic, there is no way I can see Revolution spoiling SONY's party. It's a complimentary product, not a competitor, and Nintendo know that. It's why they pulled out of the "power battle" and went for a product that is cheap enough, different enough, and appealing enough to entice all breeds of gamer (except the fanboys obviously). I know I'll be getting a Revolution as well as my PS3.

yeah i really hope so. thats what i thought at first but the more i thought about it, the more i could see it as competition. nintendo is pretty smart, they probably want their competitors to think that they're not a threat (i mean both M$ and sony have said publicly they're not really competing with nintendo) and let 360 and ps3 focus on and try to kill each other. while at the same time, i think they're gonna sneak from behind and really surprise people.

just the pure fact that the price is gonna be around $150-$250. that's around or LESS THAN AN IPOD! and how many people have ipods?!!

it could seriously be a phenomenon. if say they really get an online platform going, they really could launch a revolution. now a lot of people play xbox live, but i dont think its reached any sort of critical mass. now lets say the rev sells like the ipod, that online could get ridiculous!

plus i disagree that most people would buy the rev AND the ps3 or 360. of course, anybody on this board would cuz we all love games, and enough to have an interest discusing them. but the majority of the general public who play are casual gamers, and they probably have other bigger interests. i'm quite confident that the large majority of gamers do not have more than one console in any one generation.

maybe i'm totally wrong, but i think sony needs to worry bigtime about the rev. with a price like that, they automatically install themselves as the price-leader of next-gen by a WIDE margin, which is always tough to beat for a competitor.

[PS3!!!!!]

I think revolution is behind in time coming out with dvd when everyone is going to blu-ray or hd-dvd. i know alot of people who want it but what is with that controller

[Dr 1337]

IT will be worth buying a ps3 in the long run why?

1)Proccesing/Graphical power(Cell/Rsx)
2)Ability to be used as a computer(Linux possibly OS X)
3)Number of block buster titles(GTA, gran turismo, MANY more)

[vmsdman]

Umm….. No. If Microsoft is already having a hard time putting a dent to Sony's dominance, what makes you think Nintendo will be a problem? Maybe in Japan it will, but one country doesn’t determine the overall success of a console. (my opinion)

[die4ps3]

Umm….. No. If Microsoft is already having a hard time putting a dent to Sony's dominance, what makes you think Nintendo will be a problem? Maybe in Japan it will, but one country doesn’t determine the overall success of a console. (my opinion)

what makes me think? well all the reason i wrote above for starters.

plus i didn't say rev is gonna dominate ps3, i said it might take away its market share, and with good reason. but you're right, in japan it's gonna be tough for sony!

[roxormyboxors]

Who cares about marketshare. Buy the system(s) that you will have the most fun with. When I was a kid I didn't worry that my neighbor's Genesis was taking away Nintendo's marketshare. I played with my NES and his Genesis and had twice the fun.

[stevefarfan]

Revolution says it's not directly competing with ps3 or xbox360, so expect a different audience to play it. Hardcore fans will still go to it, and new gamers will flock to it too.