Rikwakefield hangs up the cleats and everyone please ***** in this thread.

**A7MAD** · 08-01-2008

Originally Posted by seebs

BTW, I can't do anything on Live -- no xbox.

But hey, anyone who wants to find me can. I'm, uhm. Not very secretive, eh?

My Wii isn't online much these days, mainly because I'm using Wiifreeloader with an NTSC copy of SSBB and I have not completed it yet so I'm dreading the firmware update that Nintendo fixed the freeloader with. Do send me your Wii ID though as I'd love more level headed gamers as my friends across all my platforms.

My PS3 is being repaired but my PSN is A7MAD_AU do send me a request but don't let it bother you if I reply in up to 6 weeks as Sony wanted that long to repair my unit.

**Galvanise_** · 08-01-2008

How about, we keep our opinions to ourselves and just try the new scheme. If after a trial period it doesn't work, raise the point again. Thats pretty fair.

My lord, this reshuffle has caused more threats of leaving/anger etc than FFXIII going multiplatform.

**radgamer420** · 08-01-2008

Originally Posted by seebs

With those subforums gone, I'm not seeing much additional point. They were useful to a lot of users, including many of us who have a PS3 and even own games for it.

Having them go away strikes me as ridiculous. They weren't doing any harm -- so the only reason for them to be gone is to coddle people who are offended by the mere existence of non-Sony things.

Those people are bad enough already; the more you encourage them, the worse they'll get.

Big rule of forum administration: The people who complain the loudest will not stop when you appease them. They will keep doing it because it worked, and they will not stop until you've eliminated everyone and everything they didn't like -- at which point you have no forum..

Thats exactly whats happening right now. You hit the nail right on the head. @Rikwakefield- Its been an honor to call you my friend and this forum has suffered a great loss with your departure.

**A7MAD** · 08-01-2008

Originally Posted by Galvanise_

How about, we keep our opinions to ourselves...

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

**seebs** · 08-01-2008

Originally Posted by Galvanise_

How about, we keep our opinions to ourselves and just try the new scheme. If after a trial period it doesn't work, raise the point again. Thats pretty fair.

No, it's pretty pointless. We know it doesn't work, because I've seen this or variants of it tried on a half-dozen forums, for the exact same reasons, with the exact same outcomes, every time.

Let's put this in perspective.

We're presumably mostly gamers, right?

So, we have subforums for anime, politics, entertainment, technology, "forum games", and sports. But we can't handle having forums for Wii, 360, PC, and old-school games.

Because those are WAY less relevant to the interests of PS3 owners than sports and politics, right?

**Dark_Light** · 08-01-2008

I think they should at least bring back the different sub-forums, for one thing it keeps everything much less organised and clutter-free. It's also good for keeping fans of different forums focused into the type of discussion they want to have, rather than whatever thread from whatever platform that jumps out at them at anytime.

**Pong** · 08-01-2008

Originally Posted by seebs

No, it's pretty pointless. We know it doesn't work, because I've seen this or variants of it tried on a half-dozen forums, for the exact same reasons, with the exact same outcomes, every time.

Let's put this in perspective.

We're presumably mostly gamers, right?

So, we have subforums for anime, politics, entertainment, technology, "forum games", and sports. But we can't handle having forums for Wii, 360, PC, and old-school games.

Because those are WAY less relevant to the interests of PS3 owners than sports and politics, right?

Based on how many visitors they have, it seems to be working well for the teamxbox forum:

General Xbox Discussions (323 Viewing)
All general xbox related topics that don't fit in other forums below.
E3 2008 Forum, Game Impressions & Reviews, Game Help & Cheats

Xbox Hardware Discussions (57 Viewing)
Consoles, Xbox Live, controllers, peripherals, audio/video, networking, etc.

Other Console/Platform Discussions & Debates (87 Viewing)
Non-Xbox related discussions: PC, Playstation, Nintendo, portables, etc
E3 2008 Forum

Off-Topic Lounge (199 Viewing)
All non-gaming related topics. Keep it clean.
Art & Entertainment, Electronics Arena, Political Playground, The Sports and Auto Retreat

BTW, I already posted this in that other thread but thought this was an appropriate response to your post.

**seebs** · 08-01-2008

I don't think emulating teamxbox is a good strategy. It's not a forum I've ever heard anyone describe as being particularly rewarding or good.

**Pong** · 08-01-2008

I'm not saying that emulating that site is the goal. That is just one example. I'm sure there are more.

**A7MAD** · 08-01-2008

Zealots lose every time, even if you create this PS3 utopia, the PS3 outside of these walls will be no different unless Sony knock down those blocks they built themselves rapidly.

Leave it to Sony they are capable of looking after themselves. If you love Sony that much, donate money to them and help them win the "war".

Logic and rationality belonged to this forum up until late last year. I guess MS winning titles to its console also really damaged some members more than what meets the eye.

This place is trying to emulate what TeamXBOX have already gone out and done before it and that place is enough proof that it won't work.

**seebs** · 08-01-2008

Originally Posted by Pong

I'm not saying that emulating that site is the goal. That is just one example. I'm sure there are more.

But it's an example of a site that is pretty much a waste of valuable electrons.

It is not an example of anything "working" by any meaningful standard. If anything, it confirms the suspicion that the inevitable outcome of tossing all the heretics into a bin together is to leave the site a festering cesspit of fanboy garbage.

**radgamer420** · 08-01-2008

Originally Posted by Galvanise_

How about, we keep our opinions to ourselves and just try the new scheme.

How about you just ignore the thread and dont click on it if you dont want to hear other people's opinions. Simple really.

**FallingBullets** · 08-01-2008

I have to agree with people in this thread, even though i dont use the forums, I can see that what it looks like currently is pretty useless...

/me runs from the wrath of the admins

**A7MAD** · 08-01-2008

Originally Posted by FallingBullets

I have to agree with people in this thread, even though i dont use the forums, I can see that what it looks like currently is pretty useless...

/me runs from the wrath of the admins

Mate we've been here enough time to know this place has changed, if the Admins/Mods/SMC's don't listen to us veterans, then this place is totally in ruins.

**Pong** · 08-01-2008

Originally Posted by seebs

But it's an example of a site that is pretty much a waste of valuable electrons.

It is not an example of anything "working" by any meaningful standard. If anything, it confirms the suspicion that the inevitable outcome of tossing all the heretics into a bin together is to leave the site a festering cesspit of fanboy garbage.

You know, I did find it kind of funny that over 40% of their visitors are in the "Off Topic Lounge".

X2 · 08-01-2008

Let me know A7, Xoar, Seeb, Rik and other, when you all find a new site or forum.

**Galvanise_** · 08-01-2008

Originally Posted by radgamer420

How about you just ignore the thread and dont click on it if you dont want to hear other people's opinions. Simple really.

Fine. After this I'll not bother.

I was just proposing a fair course of action.

Some people are getting way too touchy about this. Sod adding reputation, we need a 'Hug' button.

**A7MAD** · 08-01-2008

Originally Posted by X2

Let me know A7, Xoar, Seeb, Rik and other, when you all find a new site or forum.

Will do man, I'm looking for more level headed forums. This used to be the hotspot I tell you, sad it's really taking a dip.

**Blacksite** · 08-01-2008

I believe seebs summed it up quite nicely. And I'm going to +rep him for making such a quality post.

Big rule of forum administration: The people who complain the loudest will not stop when you appease them. They will keep doing it because it worked, and they will not stop until you've eliminated everyone and everything they didn't like -- at which point you have no forum.

So whenever people complain that you have something they don't use, ignore them. Go ahead and add things for smaller groups of users; those smaller groups of users expand your community. But never take something away that people are using and enjoying; that shrinks the community. Instead, when someone demands that a forum or section go away because he thinks the people in it are trolls, make a note to yourself that the complainer is a fanboy and you should probably ignore everything else he says too.

**radgamer420** · 08-01-2008

Originally Posted by Galvanise_

Fine. After this I'll not bother.

I was just proposing a fair course of action.

Some people are getting way too touchy about this. Sod adding reputation, we need a 'Hug' button.

I'm the one getting too touchy? lol Ok. Your fair course of action is telling people to keep their opinions to themselves now that things are the way you like them. How convienent.

**seebs** · 08-01-2008

Originally Posted by Galvanise_

Fine. After this I'll not bother.

I was just proposing a fair course of action.

No, you were proposing that the people you don't like ought to just suffer in silence.

If this were the first time, or even the tenth time, that excluding people to "improve" a community had been tried, you MIGHT have a point.

It is not the tenth. It is not the hundredth. It is not the thousandth, or the ten thousandth, or the hundred thousandth. This has been tried, literally, at least a million times. It has been tried over a period of at least three thousand years. It has been tried in Asia, and in North America, and in Africa, and in Europe. It has been tried everywhere, for every possible division you could make. And it always does the same thing, and that thing is bad.