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    This is one of the stupidest things I have heard this season, would be ridiculous to ban it at the next race especially as teams have built their cars around it, the should wait till next year at least!!!

    Formula 1's FRIC suspension systems, believed to be one of the strengths of the dominant Mercedes car, could be banned for the German Grand Prix, AUTOSPORT can reveal.

    Less than a fortnight before the next race at Hockenheim, the FIA has informed F1 teams that it believes the Front-and-Rear Interconnected Suspension (FRIC) systems used by most of them are illegal.

    According to sources, the governing body wrote to teams on Tuesday to tell them that following detailed investigations into the design of the FRIC systems, it believes they are in contravention of the rules.

    In the note, a copy of which has been seen by AUTOSPORT, Whiting said: "Having now seen and studied nearly every current design of front to rear linked suspension system we, the FIA, are formally of the view that the legality of all such systems could be called into question."

    Whiting suggests that the way the suspension systems help control pitch and roll could be in breach of article 3.15 of F1's technical regulations.

    Article 3.15 is the catch-all regulation that relates to moveable aerodynamic devices. It outlaws any part of the car that influences the aerodynamics that is not "rigidly secured to the entirely sprung part of the car (rigidly secured means not having any degree of freedom)."

    The FRIC systems link the front and rear suspension to maintain a constant ride height for improved performance.

    Lotus (then called Renault) was the first team to introduce the concept in 2008.

    Mercedes more recently took the design to the next level and is now believed to run the most complicated system, however it is unclear which team would suffer the most from a ban.

    FIA OPEN TO DELAYING BAN UNTIL 2015

    With limited testing time before the next race at Hockenheim, and 2014 designs being based around FRIC, the FIA is open to delaying the ban if there is consensus among teams.

    It has asked teams to vote on whether or not they will be in favour of delaying the ban until the start of 2015 rather than it coming into force for the German GP.

    However, for that to happen it would require unanimous support from all the teams on the grid.

    It is unclear how easy it will be to achieve unanimous support for a delay - especially if any team feels its FRIC design is not as good as a rival's, or indeed if a team is not running the system at all.

    If unanimous support is not reached, then Whiting has made it clear that from the next race in Germany, any team running FRIC risks being reported to the stewards by the FIA for non-compliance with the regulations.

    The fact that the FIA has indicated it believes FRIC to be illegal also opens the door for a team to protest one of its rivals from the next race.
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    Lol ok back to open wheel cars only.

    When have the FIA ever done anything sensible?


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    It needs to be delayed until next year to be honest. I can't see teams having the resources to scramble and get new suspension parts working in time - this is the problem about not having unlimited testing and other testing restrictions during the season!

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    God lets hope it's put back till next year, can you imagine what effort the teams would have to go to in order to find a quick solution to it, it's just crazy!!
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    Pimp my F1 car

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    They look absolutely horrible. Dunno if its cause its a ugly wheel rim or what
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    I don't think they look too bad, but not as nice as the 13" wheels we already have!
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    http://www1.skysports.com/f1/report/...st-controversy

    $#@!! I hope to god this doesnt clip Mercs wings..........they wont all decide to delay the ban! i bet this was $#@!ing Red Bull complaining

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    Yeah I had already covered it a few posts back, lets just hope they all vote to hold it off till next year instead!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBK.. View Post
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    has been a little neglected lately!

    So what do people think about the ban on FRIC? Hard to tell at this point in time but it does seem that the Merc's have lot a little bit of their advantage! Still think they will be run away winners this season but has tightened the pack up a little bit!
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    as soon as they have adjusted to it, normal service will probably resume.
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    Looks like the McLarens may be picking up the pace a little!
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    Rosberg looks quick today. Wish a lotus would give Grosjean a good car


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    Mercedes will still be the team to beat I feel, thought Red Bull would be close but that last lap was messy, doesn't look hooked up at all!
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    When oh when will he sort his head out.

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    He s a bit of a calamity.
    Watching it on Skygo, why dont they offer it in HD? IT looks so crap even on this 720p laptop.

    http://www.dropbox.com/s/pq6xbkyhvhs...2013.26.21.png
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    Looks like it wasn't his fault and a brake failure though.

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    Front right brake disc failure on twitter
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    2 brake failures, maybe its time to move to the more durable Carbon Industrie brakes


    Seem to work well enough for Rosberg...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JordieDAFC View Post
    2 brake failures, maybe its time to move to the more durable Carbon Industrie brakes


    Seem to work well enough for Rosberg...
    Might be too late for this event, but for future races he will have time to adjust to them.

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    That certainly was a scary moment and quite an impact too. So glad these cars are like proper cages now compared to yesteryear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JordieDAFC View Post
    2 brake failures, maybe its time to move to the more durable Carbon Industrie brakes
    to be honest, I don't know why they haven't already done this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surebrec View Post
    to be honest, I don't know why they haven't already done this.
    Rosberg's been using them and bar Canada he's been fine. Hamilton prefers the feel of the Brembo's, but they obviously aren't as durable as the CI brakes. Surely you would go for the ones that will get you to the en........................But this is Hamilton....

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    It's not as simple as going "I'll use these brakes instead now". I have tried a variety of brake types myself and the difference can be quite extraordinary. Some brakes require a smoother application, another might require a harsh push, and another could require more pumping (like the old non-ABS days but not as much). It can completely change your driving style if you switch brake types so this is probably why he hasn't swapped out.

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