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    Quote Originally Posted by BBK.. View Post
    Makes you wonder. If Ricciardo was at RB for the last 4 years, would Sebastian be a 4 x champion?
    Now that is the big question, only while they are together at Red Bull a few years will we really be able to tell!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBK.. View Post
    Makes you wonder. If Ricciardo was at RB for the last 4 years, would Sebastian be a 4 x champion?
    it doesn't make me wonder, from what I have seen so far this season, the answer to that for me would have to be no.
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    No matter which way you look at it, vettel has being doing poorly. Winning for titles on the trot then having such a poor start to a season whilst being comprehensively beaten by a newbie in your team will put big clouds of doubt over you. People said his titles here due to the Newey effect. It's looking more and more true each time he is out raced. The excuse that the cars are different no longer works after 9 races and numerous testing.

    I wouldn't go as far to call
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    Seb really did need to show this year why he is a 4x World Champion and I am sorry he just hasn't! Not being used to the car is no excuse because all true great drivers adapt quickly and carry on winning races and he just hasn't! Even Lewis Hamilton back in 2009 with a terrible car managed to win the Singapore GP and Alonso proves what you can do with a slow car all the time! Don't get me wrong he must be a good driver because he wouldn't be there if he wasn't but he needs to up his game because at the minute he is just proving all us doubters right!
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    I'm sure Surebrec would agree but it's quite funny a certain member hasn't popped in here since the preseason testing began

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    Never rated vettel at all and still don't. It was obvious that it was the car winning the 4 championships any many of the drivers in the paddock would have won in the same conditions.

    Alonso is the legend and Hammy is second best driver out there imo. Love how Grosjean is developing and I think Bottas could have a bright future too (most Finns do well in F1).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBK.. View Post
    I'm sure Surebrec would agree but it's quite funny a certain member hasn't popped in here since the preseason testing began
    he has, he posted a few weeks ago, but was rather subdued.

    for some reason, according to his post, he has lost interest in F1, indycar is where it's at apparently.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BBK.. View Post
    I'm sure Surebrec would agree but it's quite funny a certain member hasn't popped in here since the preseason testing began
    Yes I remember a certain someone always popping in here to defend him yet he has not appeared in a long while, I wonder why that is????

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    Not only did someone defend the driver as if he was gods gift. I remember hearing how the Mercedes engine won't be anything on the Renault engine because Renault have more experience making turbo engines because of their road cars and infinity

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    see now I always thought that's the other way round because Renault engines have always been famous for not lasting long and blowing up, which funnily enough Seb's engine has done a couple of times
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBK.. View Post
    Not only did someone defend the driver as if he was gods gift. I remember hearing how the Mercedes engine won't be anything on the Renault engine because Renault have more experience making turbo engines because of their road cars and infinity
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    So what do people think about this whole Caterham law suit thing? And Briatore returning as the man to make F1 more popular even though he isn't very popular himself? lol
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    The Caterham thing I don't really care about to be honest.

    Briatore - that's a joke. He shouldn't ever have been allowed back into this sport. I don't trust him one little bit the smarmy slippery $#@!er! How he can be the face of F1 is beyond a joke

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    Quote Originally Posted by TidalPhoenix View Post
    The Caterham thing I don't really care about to be honest.

    Briatore - that's a joke. He shouldn't ever have been allowed back into this sport. I don't trust him one little bit the smarmy slippery $#@!er! How he can be the face of F1 is beyond a joke
    Like I say why bring in someone to make F1 popular again who is about as popular as $#@! on the bottom of a shoe that's been walked in on the carpet, Hitler would have been more popular
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    I think you guys are bring too hard on Briatore. The guy has a proven track history of being fair and sporting he would never ever cheat or manipulate things................

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    briatore is a born & bred cheat, his tenure in F1 has been littered with cheating and rule bending. it will be a sad day for F1 if he's ever allowed back in any capacity.
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    Massa thinks Williams can beat the mercs at select races. He's very optimistic!
    http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/28610002

    I'm curious as to how other teams manage with lower downforce tracks. Williams are the only other team to be using their 8th gear regularly this season. Mercs (to the best of my knowledge) haven't used the gear at all....Even Rosbergs Bahrain/Canada pole laps only took him into 7th.

    Maybe the top teams only use it as a fuel efficient 7th gear?

    But I digress, between williams and any race win are corners, there's no point having a fast car that is slow around corners where the mercs can catch up/pull ahead. Besides, if last year is anything to go by, Mercs (like the red bulls) can afford to sacrifice corner speed for greater top speed. As evidenced by Vettel overtaking what was the fastest car in a straight line last year.

    Personally, i feel it will be a struggle for them to beat the Red Bulls, yeah they're having a (comparatively) bad season, but that doesn't make them a back runner. Ricciardo is racing the wheels off his car, and Vettel isn't exactly lying down either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBK.. View Post
    Not only did someone defend the driver as if he was gods gift. I remember hearing how the Mercedes engine won't be anything on the Renault engine because Renault have more experience making turbo engines because of their road cars and infinity
    That same person has issues with Britain and specifically British people. Downplaying everything British and trying to incorrectly inform everyone that British inventions are not in fact British.
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    Man the F1 winter break is too long, I am missing it already lol
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    I still think Williams could potentially score a win this season but they're going to have it hard to catch RBR now I feel. Third should be easily in the bag assuming that Massa's bad luck has now ended.
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    Man the F1 winter break is too long, I am missing it already lol
    Good job it's the Summer break then isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by keefy View Post
    That same person has issues with Britain and specifically British people. Downplaying everything British and trying to incorrectly inform everyone that British inventions are not in fact British.
    I can still remember this gaff:

    http://www.psu.com/forums/showthread...11#post6208011

    the irony of him accusing anyone of not having a grip on reality!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Varsh View Post
    I still think Williams could potentially score a win this season but they're going to have it hard to catch RBR now I feel. Third should be easily in the bag assuming that Massa's bad luck has now ended.


    Good job it's the Summer break then isn't it?
    my bad, I really should double check what I write before I post!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surebrec View Post
    the irony of him accusing anyone of not having a grip on reality!
    And the extra irony showing that we were right all along (and so was Alonso) that his new teammate is showing that the 4 WDCs were all down to the car. Well OK to be fair 2010 was deserved as Alonso couldn't pass on the last remaining laps that single place to secure the championship. 2011 was the car, 2012 was the car, 2013 was the car after RBR complained so much about the tyres - otherwise Hamilton would've won the title. Now Ricciardo slapping him left, right, and centre almost every race? Sorry Seb your 4-in-a-row has been tarnished, just like Alonso said last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varsh View Post
    And the extra irony showing that we were right all along (and so was Alonso) that his new teammate is showing that the 4 WDCs were all down to the car. Well OK to be fair 2010 was deserved as Alonso couldn't pass on the last remaining laps that single place to secure the championship. 2011 was the car, 2012 was the car, 2013 was the car after RBR complained so much about the tyres - otherwise Hamilton would've won the title. Now Ricciardo slapping him left, right, and centre almost every race? Sorry Seb your 4-in-a-row has been tarnished, just like Alonso said last year.
    Yeah totally agree, the best drivers adapt quickly to rule changes like Alonso can and he just hasn't! That is when you can tell the good from the great!
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