Thinking of waiting for 65nm...

**rallyracr420** · 06-24-2006

I keep thinking how complex the PS3 is going to be. New and untested to mass audiences are technologies such as Blu-Ray, the Cell, the RSX, Linux dual booting on a console, and 1080p resolution.

I see all this and I think back to previous console launches. The Dreamcast, the PS2, the XBox, the XBox360 all had numerous problems at launch and none of them could do as many tricks as Sony is training the PS3 to do.

Surely in the long run the PS3 will pull it off, but unless I have almost $800 to burn this fall, I think I'm going to be waiting for the PS3 with 65nm Cells to hit the shelves before I buy. They're supposed to be out as early as next year. I figure that extra time will give Sony a chance to polish out the bugs in Blu-Ray and in initial configurations of the PS3 hardware.

There's other advantages too. The 65nm Cell chip will draw significantly less power, meaning smaller power supply. A smaller power supply will put off less heat and will help avoid situations like the 360's power brick overheating problems. And because less power is being used, the Cell won't run as hot. This leads to many benefits: a more stable chip, quieter-slow-spinning internal fans, better chip yeilds (more PS3s on the shelves). A 65nm Cell may also be accompanied by a 65nm RSX, even further reducing the power used by the PS3.

Granted I want a PS3 pretty badly, but I think I might choose the Wii this fall instead. I just want to make sure that when I make that $600 leap into PS3 land, I get as much out of my investment as possible.

What do you think?

**Shadow** · 06-24-2006

Well am with you rally because all the new consoles at launch all had problems so i would wait next year just like you are doing and because i have to buy three ps3's. One for me, one for my father, and one for my little brother. I know what your thinking tat a stupid but am not am just rich. REALLY REALLY REALLY RICH!!!

-Shadow

**Mallanaga** · 06-24-2006

nah. i will be buying the ps3 at launch, then selling that one for probably 85% of what i paid for it. even though taking a hit, i'll drop a couple of more dollars for a more stable machine.

i must say though, i seriously doubt there are going to be heat issues with the original. there will be ample cooling in the unit, sony has a name to uphold. and as far as stability with the OS, it's linux. i have a feeling things are going to go very smoothly.

**Hippo** · 06-24-2006

I'm also going to be waiting a little longer for the PS3, probably about a year, or at least that's my plan.

I don't know any system that has ever been launched without any problems, its just a fact of life. I mean, I don't think buying a PS3 at launch is in any way a mistake...but...it is a very large investment, and one that I for one want to make sure I get every penny out of. I have no problem waiting a year, I'm really not in any hurry (don't have the money anyways).

**Supaman²²³** · 06-24-2006

I am going to Buy it at launch and then Trade it for the "slim" Ps3 when it comes out around early 2008 late 2007

**Graham** · 06-24-2006

Where I come from, consoles have this thing called a warranty. Fair enough, if you want to wait, wait, but why is waiting for 65nm going to benefit you? Issues may have stabilised by then, but it won't be because of 65nm CELL.

Mallanaga, I assume that you will sell yours IF you have problems? Selling it for the sake of seeling it seems rather pointless to me, all to just get potentially more stable machine. I say potentially, because any console can develop a problem at any time.

**Mallanaga** · 06-24-2006

Graham - no, i think i will just opt for the newer machine. the smaller architecture will mean less heat, and i'm sure they might work out some, if any, quirks. also, if it is a "slim" version, it will be a tad smaller, and maybe more aethetic. honestly though... i really don't know, lol.

we are speculating about something so far away... time will tell

**Nosferatu** · 06-24-2006

i decided that im going to wait longer to get a ps3 since sony will upgrade it and everything , ill wait but ill probably purchase one in 07 or summer 07 around that time.

Early adopters i really think it doesnt matter if they buy a ps3 or not the sales will increase as they upgrade.

**Graham** · 06-24-2006

Fair enough Mallanaga. With all the time they have had, I'm sure even with launch machines, heat dissipation will not be an issue, and any problems will be isolated to a few machines and not universal flaws that affect every PS3. SONY know how to make hardware, but there is always a small failure rate. PS3 will be no different to any piece of brand-new hardware before it.

I'm not waiting - can't see the point. All this talk of "upgrading" and people waiting for it. It's pathetic really. I don't mean that in a derogatory sense to anybody here, but incremental upgrades happened all the way through the life of the PS2 but I didn't see people waiting for chip shrinkages, quieter fans to be installed, or years for the slim PS2 to arrive. Not least for the fact that you tend not to find out about these incremental "money saving" upgrades until they happen. OK, so the slim PS2 was a pretty major change, and advertised well in advance, but you know what I mean.

**The_One** · 06-24-2006

I'm waiting until around March of Next year. Why? That's when HS comes out

(rumoured to, anyways). Hopefully, a few kinks will have been smoothed out by then, too.

A quieter fan would also be nice, but I expect that to come late on in 2007; probably not within the first 2 quarters.

**Hippo** · 06-24-2006

I have this theory...yes, only a personal theory:

So many people are going to purchase PS3's to sell on Ebay that the market is going to become overloaded with supply. See, the Xbox 360 craze on Ebay caught most people off guard, tons of demand, and not that much supply. But what will happen when there is too much supply, since so many people plan on putting a PS3 up on eBay? I just think some people are going to be surprised when they go to list their PS3 and find hundreds upon hundreds already on Ebay. Sure, you're going to make a profit, but my best guess is you're not going to be making the nearly $500-$1000 profit some people made.

My guess, the average PS3 will sell for $700. Worst case senario reports of fake PS3 listings will drop the price even more.

Again though, this is just my theory...Ebay thrives off Supply/Demand.

**The_One** · 06-24-2006

Perhaps, but with only 2 million on day one, there could very well be much more demand than supply. Even so, I don't expect the PS3 on eBay to sell that much higher due to the fact that it's already such an expensive piece of machinery.

**The_One** · 06-24-2006

The problem is... How do you know when they've made the switch? I don't think companies usually advertise CPU/GPU/Component enhancements unless it's really big, like PS2 to PSTwo.

**mrnagy88** · 06-24-2006

People will buy the PS3 at it's current state just as they are buying 360's without the 65nm process..

both consoles should get it around the same time next year... It's too bad it's out going to be 65 nm at launch but there won't be any difference in processing power etc... just less power consumption and heat generated. (RSX should be shrinking in size too at the same time)

**Mallanaga** · 06-24-2006

don't get me wrong... i am buying the damn thing when it releases... i couldn't stand to wait any longer. i just don't mind upgrading.

and ebay... i hate ebay. you're supposed to go to ebay to find stuff for cheap... not jacked up prices. damn our society... damn you capitalism!!!

**HtK** · 06-24-2006

I'm gonna try to get it at launch and buy a warranty of course. But, i will also check out how PS3's will be doing on EBAY and if it worth it to earn a lot more than i'm going to put mine up.

Slim PS2 has overheating problems, it cant handle a lot of playing hours without heating up so bad.

**Lefein** · 06-24-2006

There is nothing wrong with waiting if that is what will make you happier with your purchase.

**NextGenHorn** · 06-25-2006

Those who are going to wait for the 65nm, if you wait a little longer you may get a PS3 with 40nm (whatever, smaller) chips

**-L-U-I-S-** · 06-25-2006

Luckily, my PS2 didnt have problems. I didn tbuy it exacty on launch day, but I did buy it a couple of months after. And now its still as good as new, just a bit dirty. But seeing all the amazing specs the PS3 has, I'm not planning to buy it on launch day, cause its kinda risky, but I WILL get one nontheless. BTW I was also thinking of buying the PS3 with 65nm Cell. IGN's article about this says "...the more efficient cell" refering to the smaller one

**Sypher57** · 06-25-2006

ok lets say you were to wait for the 65nm chip to come out.. Well wouldn't you think there could be a problem with that ps3 too.. witht he 65nm chip?

**PS3 rocks** · 06-25-2006

Well, i'm getting mine at launch and if it has any problems i'll just get it fixed. I don't care about how much power it uses. It's more efficent sure but why would you wait no, the question is how could you wait that long. November is like already going to be ages away. I think by then everyone will tied of waiting but thats me.

**udontneed2know** · 06-25-2006

I keep thinking how complex the PS3 is going to be. New and untested to mass audiences are technologies such as Blu-Ray, the Cell, the RSX, Linux dual booting on a console, and 1080p resolution.

Cell is far from untested. Its been in production for over a year now, and its currently housed in tens of thousands of development kits and being made into supercomputers by Stanford and within Dual Blade setups from Mercury Systems and IBM. But yeah ... untested to mass audiences. But aren't all console technologies untested to mass audiences when they are first released?

And about Linux dual booting. Not sure thats going to be the case. Unless you want to count a game execution, handling - OS another operating system. Sure, it does what an operating system does, but its on the most basic of levels and isn't complex enough to cause problems of any kind.

Your right about less power and everything though. Any new console launch will have its buggy consoles, like maybe 2-3% of the batch will have some sort of malfunction. Just goes with the territory. I've unfortunately worked at a place that boxes up and ships out and takes in all that merchandise and it would scare you how badly handled everything is. So chalk up alot of those busted consoles to just poor treatment as the system makes the rounds before finally safely hitting a store shelf.

All up to you though, its a good chunk of change so it'll be better to be safe then sorry if your worried about everything.

**Naboomagnoli** · 06-25-2006

IIRC Linux was described by Kutaragi as being booted like an application, rather than a full-blown OS. You'd start Linux within the PS3 OS, rather than boot the whole PS3 in Linux.

**G_H_G** · 06-25-2006

I'm buying mine as soon as I can. We get 2 years warranty as standard (on consumer electronics) here in the Eu so if it fucks up after a year or so Sony will just have to replace it :P .

**A7MAD** · 06-25-2006

rallyracr420,

I'm going to wait. Not for the 65mm core process but for the hardware bugs to be sorted, not really worried on the software side of things because updates would be readily available via PSNP shortly after Sony receives the feedback...

I never cared about the slimline PS2 or the smaller PSX even, just gimmicks and what makes me love the PS3 more is its beasty look, I love big machines, sells that they are power houses in my mind. I also do not want to have to sit and wait for Sony to either repair/replace my unit if it fails which is more prone to happen with launch units... I hate waiting now, but I'm patient for many reasons.