Sony & Guerilla vs. Microsoft & Bungie

**MrTrump6768** · 06-08-2005

Hey guys, I was thinking this over while looking at Killzone the other day. Who do you think was, and is going to be more sucessful in making great games? PS3 & Guerilla or Microsoft&Bungie. I saw the interview with Sony Vice President about Killzone 2 and he said twice the demo WAS real gameplay with some effects. But will Bungie surprise us with Halo 3 when the PS3 debuts? Think about it.

**Sulfier** · 06-09-2005

Without a doubt MS and Bungie will be more successful for the simple reason of fan support. I hate Halo to death, but I can't deny that it has a huge following.

You don't need a great game for success, and honestly, I'm not sure if either game will be great. To me, killzone was built around the linear/scripted single player experience, and the Halo series was built around multiplayer environment.

Neither game was at the top of it's class, and I know for a fact that graphics can't cover up problems with gameplay mechanics.

**Stoffinator** · 06-09-2005

Originally Posted by Sulfier

Without a doubt MS and Bungie will be more successful for the simple reason of fan support. I hate Halo to death, but I can't deny that it has a huge following.

You don't need a great game for success, and honestly, I'm not sure if either game will be great. To me, killzone was built around the linear/scripted single player experience, and the Halo series was built around multiplayer environment.

Neither game was at the top of it's class, and I know for a fact that graphics can't cover up problems with gameplay mechanics.

I agree mostly. But I believe given the chance, Guerilla, could make a very good FPS with KZ. I think many say they suck at making games, but I think with a powerful system like the PS3, they could very well do it. Halo is very overrated, yes its a good solid game, but its hugley over rated, and its what made the Xbox. Good and bad.

**Sulfier** · 06-09-2005

Yeah, as I've been playing through Killzone again recently, I ask myself how much of the games downfall was due to technical limitation as opposed to lack of skill from the developers/time constraints.

**KHgamer17** · 06-09-2005

Is it fair to pair Sony with Guerilla? The first Killzone was suppose to be a heavy contender with Halo and look how that turned out. Dont get me wrong I already have a piggy bank with the letters 'KZ' on the side but the KZ footage we saw may very well be fake, and if Guerilla cannot live up to the look of that video AND deliver mediocre gameplay again then we will see history repeated. Dont consider Guerilla to be SUCH a heavy hitter just yet, just pray that they will be. Ive had my heart broken before so Im waiting for more info on the new Killzone before I start pitting it against Halo.

**MrTrump6768** · 06-09-2005

I just wanted to add that The Killzone 2 demo trailer was what the graphics ARE going to look like.I have read probably 20 different articles about this. It wasn't someone sitting down w/ a controller playing that, but it was graphics that you'll see on the PS3. If so, you can kiss Microsoft&bungie goodbye.

**PeanutButterMunky** · 06-09-2005

CGI is gameplay. CGI is real-time. CGI is pre-rendered. CGI can be anything. What you're trying to say is "pre-rendered" CGI. Real-time and pre-rendered are also not the same thing. Doesn't matter if it was recorded real-time or recorded pre-rendered...it was all done to spec. We really don't know what the final game will look like. The Killzone trailer is nothing more than Guerilla's vision for what they hope to achieve with the final game on PS3...just like EA's first Madden video.

**KHgamer17** · 06-09-2005

Originally Posted by PeanutButterMunky

CGI is gameplay. CGI is real-time. CGI is pre-rendered. CGI can be anything. What you're trying to say is "pre-rendered" CGI. Real-time and pre-rendered are also not the same thing. Doesn't matter if it was recorded real-time or recorded pre-rendered...it was all done to spec. We really don't know what the final game will look like. The Killzone trailer is nothing more than Guerilla's vision for what they hope to achieve with the final game on PS3...just like EA's first Madden video.

Exactly, and thats why theres so much debate. People want to know if that is what they will be playing, and although I have heard the exact words that "Yes that is gameplay" and "yes that is what you will be expiriencing when you are playing" and so-forth, its just so very hard to believe. I really cannot wait until this whole thing is settled, though.

**MrTrump6768** · 06-09-2005

Is It Possible ????? If it is then it can revolutionize FPS gameplay

**MiThRaZoR** · 06-09-2005

Sony and Guerilla vs. Microsoft and Bungie?

Hmm, kinda balenced out. Sony is good and more experienced at what they're doing and Bungie is good and experienced at what they're doing also. But, in my opinion, Bungie's kinda losing it. Just look at Halo 2.

**Damnit** · 06-09-2005

Man, from all this mish mash of words about a trailer. Give it a rest please. I know I'm excited about Killzone for PS3 but not only because of the trailer itself but what I saw in the original game. It had bugs and texture issues, was mediocre or whatever else you wanna call it. The thing is, the theme of a war torn city was approached in such a high manner that the hardware wasn't able to squeeze it out.

This may sound as a repetition of words if you've been reading through these forums often but to those who haven't played Killzone yet. Guys, it was a very beautiful game in a sense that every locale and area I encountered while playing this game was never been done in another game like this. And I seriously mean never! The sheer scope of ideas Guerilla had compared to Bungie is mind boggling.

Suffice it to say, the 2nd coming of Killzone will not be any lesser than the talent they possess, given the hardware this time around is powerful enough. Same with Bungie, they got a good piece of hardware to play with and without a doubt they'll make lots of multiplayer gamers happy with Halo3.

**True Poet** · 06-09-2005

Good point there, Damnit. I seriously don't see what Killzone and Halo have in common besides their genre, but gamers and reviewers across the net seemingly have to reduce both games to the lowest common denominator in order to make comparisons. Thus, Killzone was labelled "Halo-killer" when in reality Guerilla and Bungie were aiming at completely different experiences.

**ishould** · 06-09-2005

As I've been saying all along, the developers have the ideas, and blu-ray with the cell will give them virtually unlimited amount of room

**maranhao** · 06-12-2005

halo will make its third appearence and killzone its second..that would count for the final quality..on the other hand, killzone was a great game and i read an article that said that 2guys from bungie jumped aboard ps3 so maybe that could help..because bungie knows what theyre doing..despite my favouirte fps is half life 2..in the end gerrilla will do very well

**Damnit** · 06-13-2005

Originally Posted by maranhao

halo will make its third appearence and killzone its second..that would count for the final quality..

Your thoughts are much appreciated but do they also expand to the way you look at consoles?

Meaning there is a console thats in its 2nd run and another in its 3rd. If you're so taken by the no. game , some company probably did its homework right when it chose anything but 2 for its successor. And if you step out of your no. game, its not hard to predict who is better in actual reality eh? Ofcourse, I mean it from stepping into the same shoes you tried. So no offense.

**maranhao** · 06-13-2005

Originally Posted by Damnit

Originally Posted by maranhao

halo will make its third appearence and killzone its second..that would count for the final quality..

Your thoughts are much appreciated but do they also expand to the way you look at consoles?

Meaning there is a console thats in its 2nd run and another in its 3rd. If you're so taken by the no. game , some company probably did its homework right when it chose anything but 2 for its successor. And if you step out of your no. game, its not hard to predict who is better in actual reality eh? Ofcourse, I mean it from stepping into the same shoes you tried. So no offense.

the number has nothing to do
what ia wanted to say is that bungie has more experience than gerrilla..the same aplies to the consoles..but the number doens't say anything..i still don't know if you are joking with me..the only thing that i say and if you haven't the oppurtunety to read on another post is that killzone probably will be the best fps..nothing more..so killzone 2 better than halo 3..the number doens't matter..i also said on another post that ps3 better than xbox 2/1.5/lite(kutaragi's words)

again, the number doesn't count

**Damnit** · 06-13-2005

I was only saying that as a joke really. My point was actually the same as yours though but with a different way. Numbers don't matter if the game doesn't live up to it. Either it turns out the title is called Halo3 or Killzone2 or whatever else. Yes, same for consoles.

**RpgBoy** · 03-16-2007

Today Sony announced that Singstar for the PlayStation 3 will come with 30 tracks preloaded on the disc.

It is also said that all of those 30 tracks will include an HD video, we wouldn't be surprised if this happens after all HD will be the new standard for TVs.

If this isn't enough for you, Sony will give you to possibility to download new tracks from a selection of about 3000 tracks.

The price of each downloadable track is yet to be announced.

Singstar will be released in Europe in June this year, the release in USA will follow later this year.

Keep checking PSU.com for the latest news on Singstar.

UPDATE

**oleoleole** · 01-02-2008

Originally Posted by MrTrump6768

Hey guys, I was thinking this over while looking at Killzone the other day. Who do you think was, and is going to be more sucessful in making great games? PS3 & Guerilla or Microsoft&Bungie. I saw the interview with Sony Vice President about Killzone 2 and he said twice the demo WAS real gameplay with some effects. But will Bungie surprise us with Halo 3 when the PS3 debuts? Think about it.

I think that halo 3 is a real gem of a game and that we will have to wait for killzone

**gerrylum** · 01-02-2008

**** dude. Stop resurrecting these old-ass threads.

**Booneabal** · 01-02-2008

This thread is comical & sadly mis-informed. First of all Microsoft just sold Bungie & the only concievable reason to do that is because Bungie wants to go multi-plat & microsoft isn't willing to pay to keep them.

Secondly Guerilla is hardly the only 1st Party or 2nd Party in the Sony camp.
Try Sony+Naughty Dog+Insomniac+Polyphony+Ninja Theory+Sucker Punch+Sony Santa Monica (God of War)+Team ICO+ + + + + + + (the list goes on)
In the Microsoft camp we had Bungie, Bioware & Pandemic but oops, the latter 2 were just acquired by EA=Multiplat.
Ubisofts Splinter Cell team seem to be partial to the Xbox as does Team Ninja from Tecmo but those are the only 2 stand outs for me.

So yes, limit the conversation to Guerilla and you get a nice, comfortable, false comparison.

**Byoushinn** · 01-02-2008

what
this thread is YEARS OLD
lol

**Smog282** · 01-02-2008

Microsoft no longer owns Bungie, so it's more like Micro & Bungie vs Sony & the best developer in the industry (i mean Insomniac games)

**Genki Rocket** · 01-02-2008

Originally Posted by Sulfier

Without a doubt MS and Bungie will be more successful for the simple reason of fan support. I hate Halo to death, but I can't deny that it has a huge following.

You don't need a great game for success, and honestly, I'm not sure if either game will be great. To me, killzone was built around the linear/scripted single player experience, and the Halo series was built around multiplayer environment.

Neither game was at the top of it's class, and I know for a fact that graphics can't cover up problems with gameplay mechanics.

Yeah.... i'm always really happy with shovelware... as long as i know hundreds of thousands of other people have been suckered into buying it!