Suggestion for new PS3 Hacking subforum

[Bligmerk]

There seems to be a lot of interest in hacking and cracking the PS3, enough so maybe there should be a subforum for this? I mean, there is an ex-moderator here that is all for hacking, cracking and pirating for the PS3.

/s

[Comatosed]

There will not be a sub-forum put up that centres around the illegal hacking of PS3 or piracy of games. That would just be asking for trouble.

[MedicDog]

I wouldn't want it tbh, I just see it as encouraging hacking and pirating.

[dannycorkers]

But if people are allowed to make threads about hacking why not a forum? I can understand not wanting piracy on the forums, but not all hacking is playing burnt games.

[John25]

yep i agree with the above posters .Plus theres Forums Dedicated to PS3 hacks/Mods etc.

[Comatosed]

People can make threads about news of the PS3 being hacked by others, cause that's all it is, news.

What you can't do is start discussing the steps necessary to perform these hacks or where to go to find out....

5. No Warez - Posting up and asking for illegal warez is strictly prohibited. This includes but is not limited to: ROMs, isos, and game cracks. Violation of this Rule will usually result anywhere from a Warning to a Ban, depending on the offence.

[F34R]

People can make threads about news of the PS3 being hacked by others, cause that's all it is, news.

What you can't do is start discussing the steps necessary to perform these hacks or where to go to find out....

I disagree with that Coma. The steps to perform certain hacks, etc., haven't ever been against the rules since I've been here. As long as there aren't any copyrighted files being supplied, or linked to, guides aren't against that "warez" rule.

As far as a subforum, that won't happen, surely. Look at all the stuff you can do with the PSP, no hacking section. With the news that the PS3 has been hacked by one person, it's probably still a long way off from actually being implemented by Joe Forum User.

[Comatosed]

I disagree with that Coma. The steps to perform certain hacks, etc., haven't ever been against the rules since I've been here. As long as there aren't any copyrighted files being supplied, or linked to, guides aren't against that "warez" rule.

I have to disagree as well, since I have been on the staff I have seen many threads trashed / deleted that were asking for guides on to how to hack consoles.

But yeah, the sub-forum won''t be happening.

[Lethal_NFS]

Is hacking the console illegal? I thought it was just the games you get is what made it illegal. What if you hack your PS3 to play homebrew games. Games that people made?

[Bligmerk]

I did put a /s to the suggestion.

It is just funny how these trends go on these forums.

If the 360 starts outselling the PS3, then the postings are about how PS3 is not going to survive long. If the PS3 starts outselling the 360, then sales postings fall off.

If the 360 has hardware problems, then the PS3 has to start having hardware reliability problems.

If the 360 is hacked wide open, then the PS3 has to be hacked. This is probably being motivated by Mass Effect 2 being up for download a couple days ago.

I know from being here long enough that these topics go in spurts but it is pretty humorous how they lump together. The flavor of this month is PS3 hacking. I suppose we will see the return to "the PS3 has no games" next month. Then the following month, it will be back to how Sony is doomed. The month after, it will be about 360X2 and the PS4. Around and around she goes, where it stops, nobody knows.

[F34R]

I did put a /s to the suggestion.

It is just funny how these trends go on these forums.

If the 360 starts outselling the PS3, then the postings are about how PS3 is not going to survive long. If the PS3 starts outselling the 360, then sales postings fall off.

If the 360 has hardware problems, then the PS3 has to start having hardware reliability problems.

If the 360 is hacked wide open, then the PS3 has to be hacked. This is probably being motivated by Mass Effect 2 being up for download a couple days ago.

I know from being here long enough that these topics go in spurts but it is pretty humorous how they lump together. The flavor of this month is PS3 hacking. I suppose we will see the return to "the PS3 has no games" next month. Then the following month, it will be back to how Sony is doomed. The month after, it will be about 360X2 and the PS4. Around and around she goes, where it stops, nobody knows.

You're completely off base here. The reason being is that EVERY remotely decent game, and most crap games, are ripped on the 360, and PC for that matter. Same as the Wii and PSP. The only reason you're seeing this now is because of two breakthroughs. One was the video that shows some sort of exploit via a disc, and then the current news that Geo has cracked the PS3. It doesn't have anything to do with Mass Effect 2.

Anyways... if this site limits the content of what can be posted about the hacks, as in, perfectly legal guides, or legal exploits, etc., then they are only hurting this site. I for one will be posting the guides, etc., legally, once/if they become available to me through certain channels. If PSU staff decides to remove that content, I'll post it elsewhere and they will lose the publicity and traffic from that content.

Lethal,
Not it's not illegal. You OWN the hardware, it's yours to modify in any way you want.

[Comatosed]

You're completely off base here. The reason being is that EVERY remotely decent game, and most crap games, are ripped on the 360, and PC for that matter. Same as the Wii and PSP. The only reason you're seeing this now is because of two breakthroughs. One was the video that shows some sort of exploit via a disc, and then the current news that Geo has cracked the PS3. It doesn't have anything to do with Mass Effect 2.

Anyways... if this site limits the content of what can be posted about the hacks, as in, perfectly legal guides, or legal exploits, etc., then they are only hurting this site. I for one will be posting the guides, etc., legally, once/if they become available to me through certain channels. If PSU staff decides to remove that content, I'll post it elsewhere and they will lose the publicity and traffic from that content.

Lethal,
Not it's not illegal. You OWN the hardware, it's yours to modify in any way you want.

True, hacking a console is not illegal.

The problem comes when this sort of thing is being discussed, it will undoubtedly lead to people mentioning that they have found a great place to download the games etc. They always usually come with links and that is against the forum rules.

[F34R]

True, hacking a console is not illegal.

The problem comes when this sort of thing is being discussed, it will undoubtedly lead to people mentioning that they have found a great place to download the games etc. They always usually come with links and that is against the forum rules.

You are exactly right, and those people should be dealt with according to the forum rules when that happens. Posting guides and that sort of thing shouldn't be banished because some people might post something that shouldn't be posted. Where does that end? We can't post images in sigs because people might break the sig rules? No.. the people that break those rules are dealt with. The same with anything that goes on here. Why censor completely legal information just because someone might post against the rules?

[Lethal_NFS]

Right now I do not think there is enough info on hacking the PS3 to deserve its own sub forum. Right now the so called hack that I read about was called fake and the only other hack I seen was to play pong. Who the hell wants to play pong? I think when the PS3 is really hacked to where we can put our own homebrew games on the console then we may want to think about a sub forum for that. But right now there just does not seem to be enough information or anything to warrant its own section.

[Tribunal]

Ever since I've been here even discussing hacking the PS3 has been very frowned upon. Outside mentioning that someone has finally done it.

I don't know what went on for the year I was gone though, but I haven't noticed a change in the trend.

[F34R]

I doubt there will be enough interest, judging by the "would you hack your ps3" thread, to even warrant a sub section once the exploiting does take off. As I've always done with the exploits I use, I'll make sure those who are interested in it are informed and well taken care of. How's your Wii btw?

Tribs,

If the administration take that stance, that'll be fine. The users who want the info, and the flood of new members that are looking for it, will be able to go elsewhere for it. I'll make sure of that. If they want to cut themselves out of a huge amount of traffic on principles, lol, that's their choice I guess. I don't have any problem providing the info to this community when I have it. If they don't want it here, I don't have a problem providing it elsewhere.

[Lethal_NFS]

How's your Wii btw?

151 games strong and running like a champ!!!!! Hows your arm?

[F34R]

151 games strong and running like a champ!!!!! Hows your arm?

Good to hear.. glad yours didn't brick like mine. Finally recovered everything though. The arm? Well, had to get stitches, and more of the bullet removed. We apparently missed a couple of fragments lol. Stitches coming out tomorrow.

[*goo]

The PSU staff can decide exactly what they want to be discussed on the site. They don't want hacks and cracks because it inevitably leads to talk about pirating software.

It's a fair call. They don't want their site to be used as a platform for people to teach others how to hack hardware when it's largely for illegal means. Let's not be naive and hide behind the 'homebrew' scene.

I honestly can't see how this decision hurts the forum and belive it is really just a straw man. Referencing signature rules etc is perhaps taking it a little to the extreme to try and prove a point.

[F34R]

I agree goo... don't get me wrong. I don't "really" care one way or the other. It's just a discussion on a policy that I happen to disagree with. No biggie really. The sig reference is just that, a point. He specifically referenced content that would be against the rules, suggesting that the topic itself shouldn't be allowed because of that. Well, that can be applied to anything here really.

What would be more of a solid stance would be something like you said. If they don't want the forums to be a pool for those types of discussion because of possible illegal use of the instructions.. then that holds a little merit. Banning the discussion because someone might break a forum rules is absurd though.

Btw Bligmerk, I didn't realize you had said it, but I'm absolutely NOT for pirating on the PS3. I'm all for exploiting it and using it for whatever the user wants though.

[Comatosed]

I agree goo... don't get me wrong. I don't "really" care one way or the other. It's just a discussion on a policy that I happen to disagree with. No biggie really. The sig reference is just that, a point. He specifically referenced content that would be against the rules, suggesting that the topic itself shouldn't be allowed because of that. Well, that can be applied to anything here really.

What would be more of a solid stance would be something like you said. If they don't want the forums to be a pool for those types of discussion because of possible illegal use of the instructions.. then that holds a little merit. Banning the discussion because someone might break a forum rules is absurd though.

Btw Bligmerk, I didn't realize you had said it, but I'm absolutely NOT for pirating on the PS3. I'm all for exploiting it and using it for whatever the user wants though.

The bolded part is what I was trying to say, just didn't exactly get it across like that. You'll have to excuse for me that, little sleep and a damn headache all day has left me feeling a little fudged in the brain department.

[F34R]

I can respect that too Coma, while disagreeing all the same lol. I'm glad the topic was brought up so that you guys can have a clear plan of what is and isn't allowed when the time comes. Even an update on that particular rule, since it doesn't specifically dictate what type of LEGAL info will and will not be allowed, would be nice for later on.

Like I said, regardless of how it ends here, those that are interested will be able to get the info somewhere. At least allowing simple guides on using legal exploits could be as far as the site allows. That and the troubleshooting, discussion, etc, of those exploits, surely wouldn't pose too much of an issue.

I'll give you two great examples....

http://www.psu.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55601 - 3 yrs old STICKY
http://www.psu.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116426 - 2yrs old STICKY

[Tyrien]

The bolded part is what I was trying to say, just didn't exactly get it across like that. You'll have to excuse for me that, little sleep and a damn headache all day has left me feeling a little fudged in the brain department.

This isn't related to the thread... but after being an admin on a few forums I can say when you're feeling like that ,and find the need to excuse previous actions ,then you shouldn't be posting.

People can make threads about news of the PS3 being hacked by others, cause that's all it is, news.

What you can't do is start discussing the steps necessary to perform these hacks or where to go to find out....

and if it's only about hacking, and nothing related to being able to play illegal copies of games?

It seems like you're blanketing an entire subculture with game piracy. While admit a large portion of game console hacking is for the purpose of playing illegal copies of games, there is also a significant amount of people who simply want to modify their console and do not condone or have any interest in playing illegal copies.

Honestly after reading through this thread the main reason I see that an admin doesn't want to go through with a sub-forum is because it would create more work among the staff. I know, I know that translates into calling the staff "lazy", but that's the impression I'm getting from the authoritative posts in this thread.

[Comatosed]

I can respect that too Coma, while disagreeing all the same lol. I'm glad the topic was brought up so that you guys can have a clear plan of what is and isn't allowed when the time comes. Even an update on that particular rule, since it doesn't specifically dictate what type of LEGAL info will and will not be allowed, would be nice for later on.

Like I said, regardless of how it ends here, those that are interested will be able to get the info somewhere. At least allowing simple guides on using legal exploits could be as far as the site allows. That and the troubleshooting, discussion, etc, of those exploits, surely wouldn't pose too much of an issue.

I will get a discussion going on this in the staff section. As soon as we have the details fleshed out and we're all on the same page I will let the masses know.

[F34R]

I honestly don't think there will ever be a need for a sub-forum. Look at the PSP stuff... hardly anyone really pays much attention to it. There are two sticky threads, with disclaimers, that have been sitting pretty for 2 and 3 years, that discuss the very thing I am advocating.

I think that presents my case VERY well, and should really end the debate on what is and isn't allowed.

Coma,
I hope you saw the edit with the two links I provided.