console modding, why selective?

[MR_T]

ive noticed that talk of certain consoles and modifying them has resulted in deleted posts, locked topics and even warnings/infractions handed out. this is all well and good but if the forum rules state against it why is it perfectly acceptable to openly discuss CFW on the PSP?

[Dave-The-Rave]

Because portable is completely different to full blown consoles.

[John25]

Because portable is completely different to full blown consoles.

erm no they Both have the same Objective i.e Pirated games or Mods
Portable consoles should be treated no different than a Console

[MR_T]

Because portable is completely different to full blown consoles.

why? regardless of portability a console is a console, telling me 1 console avoids the rules simply because it is portable isnt a valid reason

a recent warning to providence state an infraction under rule 5. a rule which states:

5. No Warez - Posting up and asking for illegal warez is strictly prohibited. This includes but is not limited to: ROMs, isos, and game cracks. Violation of this Rule will usually result anywhere from a Warning to a Ban, depending on the offence.

last time i checked a jtagged 360 simply breaks the manufacturers T&C's just as CFW on the PSP does. so why is it with 1 console people get warnings whereas another gets threads stickied on the matter?

[AaronSOLDIER]

Yeah I've always wondered that too, pirates in the PSP section!

[F34R]

ive noticed that talk of certain consoles and modifying them has resulted in deleted posts, locked topics and even warnings/infractions handed out. this is all well and good but if the forum rules state against it why is it perfectly acceptable to openly discuss CFW on the PSP?

Because custom firmware on the PSP has other uses than piracy. Modifying a 360 realistically does not. basically a 360 is modd'd for only one single purpose.

[MR_T]

Because custom firmware on the PSP has other uses than piracy. Modifying a 360 realistically does not. basically a 360 is modd'd for only one single purpose.

thats not true, jtagging a 360 allows for homebrew, custom dashboards, use of external hard drives, CPU/GPU temperature monitoring to name but a few.

modifying a 360 disc drive only permits 1 use but that dosent have to be done in order to jtag a console, therefore jtagging alone is actually less detremental in regards to piracy in comparison with PSP CFW

[F34R]

Didn't see the mention of the jtagging.. my bad. In that case, I'd agree with ya.

[Pez_555]

if my memory serves me correctly this was asked a while ago however the usual happened........nothing.

[Cuguy]

if my memory serves me correctly this was asked a while ago however the usual happened........nothing.

Or you will get the same answer we always give... it is up to interpretation at the time of the thread closing, topic deletion, etc... Not all mods/SMC/admin think alike. Usually the topic goes up for discussion and the appropriate action/inacton is decided upon. Just because you don't see the resolution you'd LIKE to see, doesn't mean it wasn't discussed.

Some of the more recent posts for hacking I have closed/removed lately is because of the member posting was doing nothing but trying to get information about it out in the open, discussion of modding. He was trolling intentionally to try and get hacking discussions out in the open. SO his posts, and most of his topics were axed.

Things that typically get the thread closed fast: specific instructions on modding, hacking, exploiting, installing homebrew, etc... Linking to, or providing links to Roms, emulators, console mods and the like will also likely result in closing immediately.

If you see things you think fall into the warez rule, REPORT IT. We always review and discuss reports. Just passing by it saying "gee, wonder why that is still open or allowed' does no good.

[MR_T]

Or you will get the same answer we always give... it is up to interpretation at the time of the thread closing, topic deletion, etc... Not all mods/SMC/admin think alike. Usually the topic goes up for discussion and the appropriate action/inacton is decided upon. Just because you don't see the resolution you'd LIKE to see, doesn't mean it wasn't discussed.

Some of the more recent posts for hacking I have closed/removed lately is because of the member posting was doing nothing but trying to get information about it out in the open, discussion of modding. He was trolling intentionally to try and get hacking discussions out in the open. SO his posts, and most of his topics were axed.

Things that typically get the thread closed fast: specific instructions on modding, hacking, exploiting, installing homebrew, etc... Linking to, or providing links to Roms, emulators, console mods and the like will also likely result in closing immediately.

If you see things you think fall into the warez rule, REPORT IT. We always review and discuss reports. Just passing by it saying "gee, wonder why that is still open or allowed' does no good.

this still completely avoids the question of why its allowed for the PSP but nothing else.

Things that typically get the thread closed fast: specific instructions on modding, hacking, exploiting, installing homebrew, etc

yet since jan 2007:

http://www.psu.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116426

http://www.psu.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55601

have been allowed to actively run and have furthermore been stickied to ensure maximum exposure.

i dont believe this is classed as warez as breaking manufacturer T&C's isnt illegal, however i completely understand if anyone is posting help or links to provide the forum with backup games.

theres a big difference between interpretation and picking and choosing which is what mods/admin seem to be doing. how can a user know what is or isnt ok if there is no set ruling towards console modification?

if PSP customisation is allowed on the forum then it stands to reason that xbox 360 jtagging, wii/ds modding and PS3 modding should also be allowed as they allow allow extra features besides the use of pirating,but from the recent thread closures and infractions/warning thats simply isnt the case.

[squirrelbo1]

the stickie psp thread, is there to promote the legal use of the hand held device. you are aloud to play your ps1 games on it, and homebrew was initially encouraged on the psp format.

[MR_T]

the stickie psp thread, is there to promote the legal use of the hand held device. you are aloud to play your ps1 games on it, and homebrew was initially encouraged on the psp format.

but in order to play ps1 games or homebrew you must first modify the firmware, which is fully detailed in those threads. why is this different to anything else? several threads were closed and posts deleted when members were giving advice on how to avoid updating the ps3 firmware whilst still retaining online functionality. also JTAG talk also seems to be removed as soon as its posted which again simply opens up the console much like PSP modding does.

There is nothing illegal about any of the above, yet it seems the forums view on it seems to favour 1 console but not another.

[F34R]

I'm going to completely agree with MR. T here. I said it in the other thread as well. The PSP firmware modifications are promoted and endorsed in the PSP section, therefore it shouldn't be any different in any other section.

Now the admins can do a complete 180, remove that topic, and ban all discussions. That would severely be the wrong thing to do though.

[Chille]

I'm going to completely agree with MR. T here. I said it in the other thread as well. The PSP firmware modifications are promoted and endorsed in the PSP section, therefore it shouldn't be any different in any other section.

Now the admins can do a complete 180, remove that topic, and ban all discussions. That would severely be the wrong thing to do though.

I think quite the opposite, i think ban all discussions invoving CFW would be a good idea, there is already enough sites dedicated to it, we dont need this one going down the drain too.

[higgos22]

maybe cus it portable it can be used to do alot more random crap that you cant do sitting in your living room, what however i dont know otherwise you got me confused aswell

[F34R]

I think quite the opposite, i think ban all discussions invoving CFW would be a good idea, there is already enough sites dedicated to it, we dont need this one going down the drain too.

How is this site going to go down the drain? Did the PSP CFW cause any uproar? Nope.

I would be willing to bet some of those rising up against PS3 CFW, have CFW installed on their PSP systems.

[Chille]

How is this site going to go down the drain? Did the PSP CFW cause any uproar? Nope.

I would be willing to bet some of those rising up against PS3 CFW, have CFW installed on their PSP systems.

im rising up against ps3 CFW and i dont have CFW on my psp.