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    Quote Originally Posted by jonathanm1978 View Post
    Geez. You'd think after he's told this many times his information is flawed, he'd stop the fanboyism about his TV being the GREATEST on earth and mars. Apparently the salesman really sold you on that TV.

    I like my electronic gadgets, but I'm not going to use them as my personal bible. This is getting humorous.
    Waiting for your low cost LCD bulbs? LOL You've got none because you don't know what you are talking about. What model do you have? Google "X bulb or lamp replacement" and see what you can find. Nothing.

    During your self enlightening journey of research, apparently you were looking at things that are irrelevant to your current situation...you know, the year 2010.

    I've been involved with HD gadgets since I was very young. I grew up with Laser Discs and surround sound in my house before most of the public even knew what it was. I'm always researching the latest and greatest in electronics. When I'm ready to buy, I research for months before committing to anything (like you). Which is why I know half of what you are spouting is BS or not even relevant.

    Not exactly, LCD repair are about 1/3rd of a plasma give or take damage, and less prone to extensive repair per se. It also helps that LCDs parts are much more common.
    By the time your TV runs out of warranty and breaks down, you would be a fool to go to a repair shop to try to "save" money. At that point your TV would most likely be near half of what you paid for it. The cost to repair it would be throwing good money after bad. If your TV had a parts failure, it would likely lead to another parts failure. At that point you are better off getting a new set. And if you were paranoid enough to buy an extended warranty, if your TV breaks down after 4 years, it's time to get a new TV rather than spending the money on a diagnosis & trying to do a self repair.
    Just because, a portion of gamers have hijacked a common used word doesn't make the fact it doesn't exist as an effect.
    Sorry, I don't think it was gamers hijacked that word. "Ghosting" was a term that I learned when LCD's had issues showing fast moving objects such as football on TV. The player would move faster than the TV could process & it would leave a "ghost" image trailing.

    (gamers generally I think don't play in the dark, due to their free roaming multi-tasking nature)
    Not trying to be argumentative here, but this is just funny. "Gamers free roaming nature" lol. Most I know sit on their butt & play games...unless they got a Wii.

    Plasma caters too much to movie enthusiast, which is fine, because it does it very good.
    You've got a PS3. You don't watch Blurays? Both LCD's and Plasmas are great for both games and movies. My entire argument has been the "cons" that jon & kuku have been making against Plasmas are not major cons. I'm not even saying that Plasmas are the greatest & LCD's aren't.

    The real deal breaker for the OP choosing between either should be based on visual preference, since that's what it really comes down to (and of course quality of the manufacturer). Does he prefer the razor sharp & ultra bright look of an LCD, or does he prefer the softer vibrant look of a plasma?
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    i still don't get this whole razor sharp argument... as calibrators test and set each tv up to their absolute performance abilities they have been able to test static resolution and motion resolution. both technologies score very similarly. plasmas used to have a huge advantage when it came to motion resolution but with 120 and 240 hz LCD sets that advantage has become nil. the trade off for motion resolution for LCDs is unnatural camera movement. BUT, some people see that as a bonus while others hate it. after all is said and done it is going to come down to personal preference. if you are going to spout out about the technologies i would think it would be best to have a better understanding of said technologies first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RawK_Solid View Post
    Not trying to be argumentative here, but this is just funny. "Gamers free roaming nature" lol. Most I know sit on their butt & play games...unless they got a Wii.
    This is kind of murky waters, but when gamers, especially active in community or with circle of friends, they are generally multi-task heavy people. They social network much more then a person who sits down and watches a long movie or a season of their favorite shows...

    Stereotypical sit and play is rarely seen as much these days, unless they have it positioned...

    Playing a round of their game on hand, will probably have them easily going to get food/finger foods/chat online/ facebook a few times/restroom/SMS someone/etc. If they are in company, they will almost always jump around.

    Perhaps you are thinking too much of PC gamers, rather then console gamers, that endure long sessions. Console gamers lean more towards the casual level, where their attention span is either to talk about a game/boast about a game/ get frequent snacking.

    Again this is very murky waters, as trying to pigeon hole what a gamer does is kinda hard, but to be stereotypical, put a console gamer into a adult-teenager of 18-25, they would fequently twitter/facebook/do many things when playing games.

    Increasingly popular is the gamefaq-ing while actively gaming. This would push them to move around or make them turn their heads and attentions. The beauty of having a big TV is that you can walk across the room and do that. Thus the constant changing of angles on viewing TVs.

    I once had a relative that unconsciously gamefaq-ed every 10 minutes or so, that he must of shifted across the room a dozen times in multiple levels of "other stuff" while gaming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kuku View Post
    This is kind of murky waters, but when gamers, especially active in community or with circle of friends, they are generally multi-task heavy people. They social network much more then a person who sits down and watches a long movie or a season of their favorite shows...

    Stereotypical sit and play is rarely seen as much these days, unless they have it positioned...

    Playing a round of their game on hand, will probably have them easily going to get food/finger foods/chat online/ facebook a few times/restroom/SMS someone/etc. If they are in company, they will almost always jump around.

    Perhaps you are thinking too much of PC gamers, rather then console gamers, that endure long sessions. Console gamers lean more towards the casual level, where their attention span is either to talk about a game/boast about a game/ get frequent snacking.

    Again this is very murky waters, as trying to pigeon hole what a gamer does is kinda hard, but to be stereotypical, put a console gamer into a adult-teenager of 18-25, they would fequently twitter/facebook/do many things when playing games.

    Increasingly popular is the gamefaq-ing while actively gaming. This would push them to move around or make them turn their heads and attentions. The beauty of having a big TV is that you can walk across the room and do that. Thus the constant changing of angles on viewing TVs.
    Even so, how does this sway one from a plasma to an LCD? When changing viewing angles on my plasma, there is zero image distortion all the way to the extreme on all sides. The only image "defect" I get on my plasma is glare. My LCD does a much better job with glare, no doubt.

    i still don't get this whole razor sharp argument... as calibrators test and set each tv up to their absolute performance abilities they have been able to test static resolution and motion resolution. both technologies score very similarly. plasmas used to have a huge advantage when it came to motion resolution but with 120 and 240 hz LCD sets that advantage has become nil. the trade off for motion resolution for LCDs is unnatural camera movement. BUT, some people see that as a bonus while others hate it. after all is said and done it is going to come down to personal preference. if you are going to spout out about the technologies i would think it would be best to have a better understanding of said technologies first.
    Sorry, but plasmas look softer & more natural to my eyes. LCD's look "sharp" to my eyes. I don't know what it is, but LCD's appear to have a manufactured, almost crisper than nature look, while plasmas have a natural look. I know I'm not alone in that. Maybe the "unnatural camera movement" that you are talking about is what I'm seeing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RawK_Solid View Post

    I've been involved with HD gadgets since I was very young. I grew up with Laser Discs and surround sound in my house before most of the public even knew what it was. I'm always researching the latest and greatest in electronics. When I'm ready to buy, I research for months before committing to anything (like you). Which is why I know half of what you are spouting is BS or not even relevant.
    I give up. You got me beat with you're "I had a cd player, Laser Disc player, VCR, camcorder, and mainframe computer before I did..

    You win.

    I had a car before Henry Ford. What do I win?

    *I like your method of disproving. You don't present anything to back up your statements but you tell me to go find something you say doesn't exist. You're saying it doesn't exist, you go find it*


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    Quote Originally Posted by jonathanm1978 View Post
    I give up. You got me beat with you're "I had a cd player, Laser Disc player, VCR, camcorder, and mainframe computer before I did..

    You win.

    I had a car before Henry Ford. What do I win?

    *I like your method of disproving. You don't present anything to back up your statements but you tell me to go find something you say doesn't exist. You're saying it doesn't exist, you go find it*
    I did look. I found nothing. Same for you? Thought so. Did you buy a 2005 Sony WEGA a few months ago? I found plenty of replacement bulbs for those. Is your LCD 12" deep? That should be no problem to replace.

    And the only reason why I said that I've been around high end video equipment for decades is because you said that I got SOLD by a salesman. I often know more about the equipment I'm shopping for when I go in than the sales people do even at specialty stores. If they introduce me to something new, I go home, research it, and decide if it is an option. I don't make thousand dollar purchases on a whim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RawK_Solid View Post
    Sorry, but plasmas look softer & more natural to my eyes. LCD's look "sharp" to my eyes. I don't know what it is, but LCD's appear to have a manufactured, almost crisper than nature look, while plasmas have a natural look. I know I'm not alone in that. Maybe the "unnatural camera movement" that you are talking about is what I'm seeing.
    i am guessing what you are experiencing is the ability for LCDs to display brighter images than plasmas. the darker image may appear softer to your eyes. LCDs can get super bright. that might come across as being sharper to you. testing the actual resolution of the screen should give you an absolute on sharpness and picture clarity.

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    the site hiccuped and caused a double post... sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by left_senseless View Post
    i am guessing what you are experiencing is the ability for LCDs to display brighter images than plasmas. the darker image may appear softer to your eyes. LCDs can get super bright. that might come across as being sharper to you. testing the actual resolution of the screen should give you an absolute on sharpness and picture clarity.
    That is it. The brighter images lead to higher contrast, which to my eye makes it look "sharper." From one object to another, they are very distinct from the next. It's like you are looking through glass on an LCD. The best metaphor I can come up with is LCD is like a high gloss paint, where plasma is glossy, but more matted.

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    Is the plasma glare worse than the glare on old crt sets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ps3freak18 View Post
    Is the plasma glare worse than the glare on old crt sets?
    Generally, no, because newer Plasma's have pretty decent anti-glare coatings, whereas old CRT TV's that I know of didn't.

    But if glare is that bad where you have to think about and compare with old CRT sets, you may wish to look into LCD's...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ps3freak18 View Post
    Is the plasma glare worse than the glare on old crt sets?
    If your room is well lit by windows & lighting, I suggest you go with an LCD. If you can control the lighting fairly well, you could choose whichever picture you prefer. When I watch movies, I have to turn the lights off behind me or else I have very annoying glare during dark scenes. It's unbearable with the lights on. But with them off, it's picture perfect.

    I'd suggest you go to a video specialist to see their setups. If you go to a Walmart, Best Buy, or any chain retailer, you will not see a TV that's optimized. You often get out of the box setups with those & you don't get to see the true potential of the sets you are shopping. If you don't have that option, then you should find some units that are within your range & go to AVSForums and go to their forums. You'll find more than you'll ever need from there & gain quite an education. Plus they don't allow trolling, so you'll find objective feedback rather than fanboy rhetoric.

    In the end, just go by what your eyes tell you. Make sure you get a set that works for you. In the past I had a DLP & it looked fantastic when I got it. But when my sister came over she couldn't watch it due to the rainbow effect from the color wheel. Be sure you get to see the set you want in action before you commit to buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_One View Post
    Generally, no, because newer Plasma's have pretty decent anti-glare coatings, whereas old CRT TV's that I know of didn't.

    But if glare is that bad where you have to think about and compare with old CRT sets, you may wish to look into LCD's...
    No its not at all that big of a deal I was just trying to get a scope of how bad it is because people always talk about the glare as the worst thing about plasmas. I have never seen it personally because all my friends either own the old crt or lcds. I've always just kind of over looked plasma until now to to my outdated notion that the life on them were really short and the glare was horrible. After I saw the price range for plasma I got curious and wanted to find out more. In the end I will most probably go with Plasma but the energy conservation is one of the main points that kind of scares me. And the truth is the LCD that was broken was replace by an old sanyo CRT HDTV and there is no glare on it whatsoever so its nothing of a problem apparently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by left_senseless View Post
    lcd clouding is much more common than you make it seem. lcd blooming is very common with any zone lit panel. run a color slide on an lcd then run that same slide on a plasma. you can see a uneven coloring throughout the entire screen on an lcd. on the plasma it will be even and smooth across the screen. now take slides that place brilliant whites next to the darkest blacks. on plasmas because they illuminate per pixel the black will stay blacker and the white will not bleed over onto the black. with the lcds they will.

    as far as sharpness goes both technologies are capable of 1080 lines of static resolution. when motion is concerned both technologies will experience a slight fluctuation but without 120-240 hz smoothing done on lcds, lcds will tend to drop a ton in motion resolution. that is why LCDs have had to incorporate 120 and 240 hz. it is to cover up the inherent weakness of the technology. unfortunately using 120 or 240hz causes the camera to look unnatural in most situations during normal film playback. some people like the way this looks, some people hate it. screen repeating has been done for years but not to the extent where there are 10 additional frames per one natural one or even 5 to 1. the overcompensation of the additional screens causes a camera effect that some refer to as "the soap opera effect," i personally hate it, but like i said, others love it.

    when i get home i will try and take all sorts of off angle pictures of my Elite Kuro to show that it doesn't display a shadowed image. i have viewed my set from every angle possible and it just doesn't happen. i have seen plenty of other plasmas that don't display this problem as well, but i have seen some that do.

    i will repeat this over and over. at the end of the day buy what looks best to you. i am only countering the arguments that are being made in this thread that are outright false or misleading.
    My Samsung has seperate controls for blur reduction and judder control so I don't get the soap opera effect, the screen uniformity is great, No backlight bleed and no colour bleed. http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/Samsung-LE...alibration.htm

    Even the latest VT20 Panasonic plasma has Phosphur trails! http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panas...0100520694.htm

    After callibration a good Plasma will only have a slight edge in contrast ratio -if any over LCD and will soon be taken over by LED!
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    Quote Originally Posted by phil_75 View Post
    My Samsung has seperate controls for blur reduction and judder control so I don't get the soap opera effect, the screen uniformity is great, No backlight bleed and no colour bleed. http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/Samsung-LE...alibration.htm

    Even the latest VT20 Panasonic plasma has Phosphur trails! http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panas...0100520694.htm

    After callibration a good Plasma will only have a slight edge in contrast ratio -if any over LCD and will soon be taken over by LED!


    I'd love to see that for the LN46C630K1 and what settings have been applied to it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by phil_75 View Post
    My Samsung has seperate controls for blur reduction and judder control so I don't get the soap opera effect, the screen uniformity is great, No backlight bleed and no colour bleed. http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/Samsung-LE...alibration.htm

    Even the latest VT20 Panasonic plasma has Phosphur trails! http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panas...0100520694.htm

    After callibration a good Plasma will only have a slight edge in contrast ratio -if any over LCD and will soon be taken over by LED!
    sorry but this is flat out wrong. LED LCDs have a much lower actual contrast ratio than plasmas do. the highest LED LCDS are putting out contrast ratios of 3000-5000 to 1. plasmas are capable of achieving 13000-15000 to 1 that is 3-5 times better contrast than LCDs.

    clouding is a hard thing to see during normal viewing. put a color slide in and check to see how uniform the screen appears. LCDs are not going to be able to get away from clouding due to the way they are back lit. bloom is also an issue that has been reduced but eliminating it completely without being able to light the panel per pixel might be an impossible achievement as well.

    the soap opera effect is a side effect of frame interpolation. it can be reduced by having seperate controls but some people claim that regardless of the settings they cannot eliminate its appearance even with separate controls. but as i have stated, some people love it and wouldn't have it any other way. it isn't a deal breaker for some people. that is why everyone should look at the existing technologies and decide what fits best for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phil_75 View Post
    My Samsung has seperate controls for blur reduction and judder control so I don't get the soap opera effect, the screen uniformity is great, No backlight bleed and no colour bleed. http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/Samsung-LE...alibration.htm

    Even the latest VT20 Panasonic plasma has Phosphur trails! http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panas...0100520694.htm

    After callibration a good Plasma will only have a slight edge in contrast ratio -if any over LCD and will soon be taken over by LED!
    Are you describing your tv or the one they tested. Just because theirs didn't exhibit those problems, doesn't mean yours is free of them too.

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    I always prefered LCDS. Anyone noticed that theres less plasmas now?? i remember when it was mostly plamas and few lcds availible in retail and now its the other way around. REASON???
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    OK i have to take back for what i said... i would buy a kdl800 46 inch sony 3-d TV over a plasma
    i allmost picked one up from best buy but it was 2 grand and no 3-d glass's

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    plasmas have a higher power consumption than lcds. they aren't as bright as lcds either. in many retail shops the benefits of plasma cannot really be noticed due to the settings that are switched on for display only. many of these sets will look vastly different in your living room than they do at the stand on retail. there are many misconceptions in the public opinion about plasmas. talk to professional calibrators. they test tvs. they set them up all day long. it is their job to achieve a perfect picture from each technology on every set. most will agree that plasmas still hold the edge in overall PQ. BUT!!!! their opinion doesn't mean anything if YOU DO NOT LIKE WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT!!!

    lcds are great sets. if you cannot distinguish the short comings of these sets then don't look for them. just enjoy what looks good to you. after having two top of the line sets in my home from each category (lcd and plasma) i would buy plasma again and again. that is just me though. i am NOT against buying lcd. i might spring for a 3d lcd. but i would prefer it be plasma. the problem right now is that Panasonic's Plasma sets have had an issue with blacks fading over time. their neo plasma technology that conforms to energy standards hasn't been doing that great. the initial picture quality is better than the Sammy plasmas but overall it ends up lower due to the flatter blacks. Sammy's 3d tech isn't that great compared to Panasonic's. i will have to wait until OLED comes out or Plasmas get better again with lower energy requirements.

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    plasma's can release toxic gases that kill you? OMG. Unless you plan on opening your tv up by using a damn Sawzall on the thing, and then you'd have to saw in the back of it in order to get the gas out.

    That's really an absurd thing to even bring up, since there's not any documented cases of people being killed by their TV's.

    next we'll get told that certain brands have camera's installed to watch you, like the first HD antenna boxes...and they turn into robots like the one did on South Park that belonged to Chef.

    Where do you keep all these ideas stored?


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    Quote Originally Posted by jonathanm1978 View Post
    I'd love to see that for the LN46C630K1 and what settings have been applied to it.
    This will be a very good start: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsu...0100506527.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by 360DiedOnMe View Post
    Plasma TV sets look great, but , they can release toxic gases into your house that could kill you.
    LOL!!!!!!!! Yea and the natural gas that people use to heat their houses can also kill you as well. This is just an asinine statement!

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