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[.RAID3N.]

Apparently Geohot didn't know SCEA 'existed'...

Lawyers for George Hotz, the most famous PlayStation 3 hacker in the world, say his client thought Sony was a Japanese company and had no idea that Sony Computer Entertainment of America even existed.

The Sony v. Geohot case is complicated and I'm easily confused, so maybe there's something about this particular argument that makes sense and it's just going over my head. I could buy the idea that George Hotz didn't know Sony Computer Entertainment of America was based in California, but his argument that he didn't know it existed at all? That's a little tougher to swallow. That's his story, though, and it looks like he's sticking to it.

"When one purchases a PlayStation Computer and looks at its outer box, it has plastered on numerous places that it is a product of Sony Japan and all rights belong to Sony Japan. It only references Sony Japan - not SCEA," his lawyer explained in a court filing. "When one takes the PlayStation Computer out of its box and inspects it, it states it is a product of Sony Japan and all rights belong to Sony Japan. It does not reference California. When one installs the PlayStation Computer firmware update that Mr. Hotz allegedly circumvented, which can legally be obtained through the internet as Mr. Hotz did, upon installation, it only refers to Sony Japan."

Hotz also declared in a separate document - under penalty of perjury, mind - that he was unaware of the existence of Sony Computer Entertainment of America. He claimed that the manuals for the used consoles he purchased, which are the only documentation included with the system that actually mention SCEA or California, were either missing or got tossed out without being looked at, and that the one that came with the new Slim system he purchased has never been looked at and is in fact still sealed. His lawyer even took multiple photographs of the package and unopened manuals as proof that Hotz never read it and thus knew nothing about SCEA.

Why is this important? It's a matter of establishing jurisdiction. Hotz and his lawyers are arguing that the case should be thrown out because the state of California doesn't have jurisdiction over the matter and while the idea that he'd never heard of SCEA is patently silly, if Sony can't prove otherwise it might find itself in a bit of a sticky wicket.

Sony ran into similar issues when it tried to pin newly-created PSN accounts on Hotz, claiming that the Terms of Service agreement establish jurisdiction, but that argument appears to have fallen through since the serial number in question doesn't actually match up and the company has been unable to provide any other links between the accounts and Hotz.

And if you're wondering why Hotz kept the packaging and still-sealed manuals for the PS3 Slim he bought while everything else ended up in the garbage, the answer is simple. "Because it was pretty," he said.

This guy....

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EDIT: For the record, I count 9 references of 'SCEA' on the back of my original 60GB box. 3 in 3 different languages. So 3 under the English section, 3 under French, and 3 under Spanish. It has the link: scei.co.jp/ps3-eula twice, and it mentions Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. about 15 times.

[GMOESAF]

I'm not even debating it.. just giving the news, and my opinion on that. Others are more than welcome to disagree, but I will be leaving it at that. We'll see how it all plays out.

wasnt talking about you dude was talking about the noobs who dont get this is about consumer rights

[Tyrien]

Apparently Geohot didn't know SCEA 'existed'...



This guy....

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EDIT: For the record, I count 9 references of 'SCEA' on the back of my original 60GB box. 3 in 3 different languages. So 3 under the English section, 3 under French, and 3 under Spanish. It has the link: scei.co.jp/ps3-eula twice, and it mentions Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. about 15 times.

That's pretty much about what law is about, especially because there's so many laws that go so deep. The whole point isn't to prove who is inherently right, but to prove how the other side is wrong. In the very least provide evidence to support why the other side is wrong.

[F34R]

Apparently Geohot didn't know SCEA 'existed'...



This guy....

Source

EDIT: For the record, I count 9 references of 'SCEA' on the back of my original 60GB box. 3 in 3 different languages. So 3 under the English section, 3 under French, and 3 under Spanish. It has the link: scei.co.jp/ps3-eula twice, and it mentions Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. about 15 times.

I posted a link that is a lot more in depth about it...
Just how many times have you actually READ your box since you've had it lol?

[John25]

I posted a link that is a lot more in depth about it...
Just how many times have you actually READ your box since you've had it lol?

I Honestly don't think I read the box once lol.

[TEJ2025]

I Honestly don't think I read the box once lol.

I've looked at my box for both ps3's I've owned. lol.

[.RAID3N.]

I posted a link that is a lot more in depth about it...
Just how many times have you actually READ your box since you've had it lol?

Is it the Ars Technica article? This one was posted a while after so I thought it was new.

Also, I'm not sure what that question has to do with anything when this is the what was brought up by the defense:

"When one purchases a Playstation Computer and looks at its outer box, it has plastered on numerous places that it is a product of Sony Japan and all rights belong to Sony Japan. It only references Sony Japan—not SCEA.," the document explained. "When one takes the Playstation Computer out of its box and inspects it, it states it is a product of Sony Japan and all rights belong to Sony Japan. It does not reference California.

So that is completely false.

But to answer your question, every time I stumble across it, I take a little glance at it. Just for old times sake...

[F34R]

That question wasn't posed at the actual legality of it or anything, rather it was a rhetorical question aimed at another reply that was posted in this thread.

[Seahawkk]

That question wasn't posed at the actual legality of it or anything, rather it was a rhetorical question aimed at another reply that was posted in this thread.

i really wish people would get off the whole geohot vs. sony bus its getting old.

[Bobbin]

i really wish people would get off the whole geohot vs. sony bus its getting old.

Not much else to do, homebrew on the PS3 is simply boring (mosty the same old emulators that were ported to a plethora of systems already) which leaves only news about "backup" managers.

[John25]

Home brew is Getting Boring ??? Even though Dual Boot CFW is on the way from Graf and Kmeaw

[arfi-gorgona-O]

But it will offer what?You cant go on PSN if you run an older version....So whats the point of a Dual Boor firmware.I don't think they spoke about the new ver firmwares.

[F34R]

Look, it takes time to learn the PS3. There are some really good things in the pipeline, right now the media player (like xbmc) is working, and the guy is improving it, etc.

Dual boot.. being able to boot the official firmware for PSN, and the custom firmware for homebrew. How doesn't that offer something?

[Seahawkk]

Look, it takes time to learn the PS3. There are some really good things in the pipeline, right now the media player (like xbmc) is working, and the guy is improving it, etc.

Dual boot.. being able to boot the official firmware for PSN, and the custom firmware for homebrew. How doesn't that offer something?

people fail to realize that coding for the ps3 is completely different than any other system, not to mention it took like 2 years before psp homebrew took off

[arfi-gorgona-O]

Don't you want the latest firmware in order to go on PSN?If i Dual boot a hacked 1.55 and an official one what good it will do for me? Simple question...

[Seahawkk]

Don't you want the latest firmware in order to go on PSN?If i Dual boot a hacked 1.55 and an official one what good it will do for me? Simple question...

/facepalm you obviously dont understand cfw. you could go online with the official one and still boot into a custom one, what dony you understand about that?

[arfi-gorgona-O]

I think its you that you don't understand.....I will ask again maybe this time you will get it.Can you go online with a firmware that is OLDER than the latest one?Or do they mean that you can boot the latest one and the whatever CfW?

[Seahawkk]

I think its you that you don't understand.....I will ask again maybe this time you will get it.Can you go online with a firmware that is OLDER than the latest one?Or do they mean that you can boot the latest one and the whatever CfW?

depends if there is a bypass, and in theory that is why they are working on a dual boot

[GMOESAF]

guess none of the people here have heard of showtime homebrew on the ps3 bypass all that cinavia crap play mkv files the ps3 was soo locked down by sony but not anymore

and the dual boot they are working on is linux with cfw not cfw and ofw

[Seahawkk]

guess none of the people here have heard of showtime homebrew on the ps3 bypass all that cinavia crap play mkv files the ps3 was soo locked down by sony but not anymore

and the dual boot they are working on is linux with cfw not cfw and ofw

Yeah i assumed it was havent read much on it but theoretically you could dual boot both

[Zelo]

I myself am against these hacks as it leads to ingame hacking on the multiplayer which I hate. I run CFW on my PSP because I only use it for single player so it doesn't bother me. Maybe Sony should go to some of the homebrew devs and bring the homebrews to the PS3 in a new update to save people hacking their consoles and risk getting a ban.

[F34R]

I myself am against these hacks as it leads to ingame hacking on the multiplayer which I hate. I run CFW on my PSP because I only use it for single player so it doesn't bother me. Maybe Sony should go to some of the homebrew devs and bring the homebrews to the PS3 in a new update to save people hacking their consoles and risk getting a ban.

Um, that's a weird stance to take isn't it? Against PS3 hacks, but ok for PSP?

Also, Sony used to allow homebrew, but they took it away when they removed Linux.

[Seahawkk]

Um, that's a weird stance to take isn't it? Against PS3 hacks, but ok for PSP?

Also, Sony used to allow homebrew, but they took it away when they removed Linux.

i think hes against online hacking

[F34R]

What's that got to to with cfw being ok on the PSP (where this is online cheating and hacking), and cfw/hacks on the PS3? That's what I was commenting about.

[Seahawkk]

What's that got to to with cfw being ok on the PSP (where this is online cheating and hacking), and cfw/hacks on the PS3? That's what I was commenting about.

because most people didnt play the psp online so online hacking didnt bother them