Xbox 360 Sales and Numbers Thread

[radgamer420]

oops double post..

[Cuguy]

It matters right now. And as for the winner of this generation that title goes to Nintendo. No reason to exclude them from the discussion just because they beat MS as well.

it has never mattered. when both consoles went over 30 mil sold, it doesn't matter who or when they outsell the other. it really doesn't. only to rabid number hounds does it matter at all. literally, if the PS3 closed the 3.3 mil gap, it will still take 3+years. Yep, into the next gen cycle and the clock restarts. At this point, whether MS gets outsold, or Sony, there is no detriment to either company or to the consumers.

I sincerely have no concept of why people give a shit if the PS3 or 360 is in the WW sales lead.

[radgamer420]

it has never mattered. when both consoles went over 30 mil sold, it doesn't matter who or when they outsell the other. it really doesn't. only to rabid number hounds does it matter at all. literally, if the PS3 closed the 3.3 mil gap, it will still take 3+years. Yep, into the next gen cycle and the clock restarts. At this point, whether MS gets outsold, or Sony, there is no detriment to either company or to the consumers. I sincerely have no concept of why people give a shit if the PS3 or 360 is in the WW sales lead.

I dont. I just enjoy sales discussion and watching the market. Isnt this a sales thread? If you dont give a shit then why post in a sales discussion thread just to say you dont understand people who "give a shit" about sales?

[MATRIX 2]

It matters right now. And as for the winner of this generation that title goes to Nintendo. No reason to exclude them from the discussion just because they beat MS as well.

Yes, thank you captain obvious for saying what was already known to everyone.

MS set their sights on Sony, not nintendo.

Sony did a lot more than that with their first console. Just saying.

Different market conditions. Not to mention, the PS1 didn't have to contend with a worldwide recession and perpetual losses on hardware.

[Cuguy]

Yes, thank you captain obvious for saying what was already known to everyone.

MS set their sights on Sony, not nintendo.



Different market conditions. Not to mention, the PS1 didn't have to contend with a worldwide recession and perpetual losses on hardware.

yeah really can't compare 1st console efforts that were that far apart.

[Cuguy]

I dont. I just enjoy sales discussion and watching the market. Isnt this a sales thread?

i am sorry, i wasn't implying you were one of those guys.

what i am saying is, yes, discuss the numbers, but you and I both know there are people who read this stuff and vehemently feel it directly influences them, or gives them some sort of e-peen to wave around if one or the other is in the lead

[radgamer420]

Yes, thank you captain obvious for saying what was already known to everyone. MS set their sights on Sony, not nintendo.

No need to get yourself all upset because you dont like the facts. MS is competing against Nintendo too. Why do you think they came up with Kinect?

[radgamer420]

i am sorry, i wasn't implying you were one of those guys. what i am saying is, yes, discuss the numbers, but you and I both know there are people who read this stuff and vehemently feel it directly influences them, or gives them some sort of e-peen to wave around if one or the other is in the lead

Oh ok. No worries. lol And yeah I know what you mean.

[Cuguy]

No need to get yourself all upset because you dont like the facts. MS is competing against Nintendo too. Why do you think they came up with Kinect?

for the same reason Sony brought out the Move. Casuals and motion control trend.



Only Sony is going more core for Move and MS is going for the mass audience with casual right now.

Crap - off topic, let's not get that discussion here LMAO

[radgamer420]

for the same reason Sony brought out the Move. Casuals and motion control trend. Only Sony is going more core for Move and MS is going for the mass audience with casual right now. Crap - off topic, let's not get that discussion here LMAO

Exactly. These companies are trying to emulate Nintendos success. Except like you said Sony is going more core and MS is going more casual with more motion control gaming like Nintendo. And yeah we're off topic and I'm missing wrestling so I'm out. lol

[Cuguy]

Exactly. These companies are trying to emulate Nintendos success. Except like you said Sony is going more core and MS is going more casual with more motion control gaming like Nintendo. And yeah we're off topic and I'm missing wrestling so I'm out. lol

Wrestling... enjoy!

[Sufi]

Different market conditions. Not to mention, the PS1 didn't have to contend with a worldwide recession and perpetual losses on hardware.

Slightly different. Nintendo was a giant back then. Sony was a giant this time around.

And why is world recession brought into this? Didn't PS3 go through that as well? Heck, PS3 also went through the Tsunami disaster.

Not to mention, Japan yen dropped...every worse possible shit that could've happened to Sony, has.

[MATRIX 2]

No need to get yourself all upset because you dont like the facts. MS is competing against Nintendo too. Why do you think they came up with Kinect?

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Slightly different. Nintendo was a giant back then. Sony was a giant this time around.

And why is world recession brought into this? Didn't PS3 go through that as well? Heck, PS3 also went through the Tsunami disaster.

Not to mention, Japan yen dropped...every worse possible shit that could've happened to Sony, has.

How many people had PC's in their homes in 1995? (never mind internet connections)

Cellphones? (never mind smartphones)

ect.

Back in 1995 you didn't have nearly as many entertainment options. Not to mention Sega helped to draw some sales, but not doing enough to be a significant threat.

[AaronSOLDIER]

Most of the best selling PC games of all time came from the 90s

[radgamer420]

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Yep exactly. Going after the Wii market hoping to make $ by attempting to emulate Nintendo's success and thats what MS went after with Kinect. So yes MS is indeed competing against Nintendo as well. To say otherwise is just pure denial. From a strictly sales competition prospective Nintendo has wiped the floor with everybody this gen including MS.

[J3ff3]

Slightly different. Nintendo was a giant back then. Sony was a giant this time around. And why is world recession brought into this? Didn't PS3 go through that as well? Heck, PS3 also went through the Tsunami disaster. Not to mention, Japan yen dropped...every worse possible shit that could've happened to Sony, has.

lets not kid ourselves here, sony didnt 'compete' their way into the market with the ps1, they slashed royalties. thats very different to what ms had to achieve against total dominance in the previous gen. their goals revolved around getting a solid foothold this gen, and theyve far exceeded that. from a purely business perspective it is sony that has underwhelmed

[mynd]

Oh definitely. I think MS accomplished what they set out to do this generation.

If you told them 7 years ago that in 2012 their 6 year old console would still be selling better around the world (outside of Asia) and consistently beating the Playstation brand, they would be more than happy.

If MS has one thing to think about, its that Asia market.
The really couldnt go wrong by hooking up with someone like NEC or Sega and rebranding the next console a Japanese name in that market.

[Sub-stance1]

If you told them 7 years ago that in 2012 their 6 year old console would still be selling better around the world (outside of Asia) and consistently beating the Playstation brand, they would be more than happy.

If MS has one thing to think about, its that Asia market.
The really couldnt go wrong by hooking up with someone like NEC or Sega and rebranding the next console a Japanese name in that market.

Thats true. If they would of been successful there, their numbers would of been closer to the wii. Anyways, I don't think they will ever be able to crack that market. They have never liked the xbox brand. It great that the other markets were open to them though.

[MATRIX 2]

I think we need to distinguish Japan from the rest of asia.

From what I've heard, Koreans like the 360.

[radgamer420]

If you told them 7 years ago that in 2012 their 6 year old console would still be selling better around the world (outside of Asia) and consistently beating the Playstation brand, they would be more than happy. If MS has one thing to think about, its that Asia market. The really couldnt go wrong by hooking up with someone like NEC or Sega and rebranding the next console a Japanese name in that market.

You do realise that PS3 was outselling 360 WW year after year or at least since around 2008 except for 2011 right? So beating PS consistently around the world? I dont think so.

[mynd]

You do realise that PS3 was outselling 360 WW year after year or at least since around 2008 except for 2011 right? So beating PS consistently around the world? I dont think so.

Unless Sony sold only 300k PS3's in Japan last year, then yes, they are and have been getting beaten. Sometime not by much, but other times, by a considerable margin.

Consider Japans lead of 6.6 million units to the PS3.
Now consider the gap, and how much its shrunk (3-5 million).
All really says is that both are very compettve outside of Japan.

[radgamer420]

Unless Sony sold only 300k PS3's in Japan last year, then yes, they are and have been getting beaten. Sometime not by much, but other times, by a considerable margin. Consider Japans lead of 6.6 million units to the PS3.

Since 2008 the only time I've heard about 360 beating PS3 WW by the end of the year was last year - 2011. And obviously Sony has been closing the gap again from 4 million to 3.3 million. The article is in the PS3 section.

[mynd]

Since 2008 the only time I've heard about 360 beating PS3 WW by the end of the year was last year - 2011. And obviously Sony has been closing the gap again from 4 million to 3.3 million.

Thats why I said "outside of Asia", and frankly Sony have their own issues, posting YOY decreases, they know they missed their own forecasts, they know how comeptitive it is out there.

I do wonder, how all this competition is going to play out nex gen.
There are markets Sony have missed out on here, the Xbox would likley be dead an buried if it werent for Kinects boost in the past 2 years.

[Soldier 95B]

Since 2008 the only time I've heard about 360 beating PS3 WW by the end of the year was last year - 2011. And obviously Sony has been closing the gap again from 4 million to 3.3 million. The article is in the PS3 section.

Actually, they have been losing the gap. The PS3 was 2 million behind in November of 2011. They have since fallen another 1.3 million.

[J3ff3]

i understand this is a sales thread, and that people are interested in volumes sold, and that there will always be comparisons between platforms, because they are useful in showing relative success month on month, or annually.

but why does the gap even matter any more? its pretty meaningless imo