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    Quote Originally Posted by Bitbydeath View Post
    So last time we had a difference of 900k shipped vs sold.
    I'd imagine this again would not be far off from the mark.

    5.1 million shipped vs roughly 4.2 million sold.

    Therefore -
    Xbox - 4.2million (give or take)
    PS4 - 7million
    900K on shelves is probably conservative given that was Dec 31 after the holiday when the stock is at lowest.

    It is most likely that actual sold is eve lower than 4.2 million.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    MS is still making billions. No surprise there.
    No surprise you are bringing unrelated topic there to cover up weak sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Man Gamer View Post
    Doesn't this belong in the sales thread?
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    Let it stay here for a few days then merge.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Two4DaMoney View Post
    but xbone's hype has died That's the surprise.
    Xbox revenue is up. If that's dying then I'm sure ms is saying keep killing us....lol that's more money in the shareholders pockets. thats what they care about. It's better than selling 5million and posting a loss any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    Xbox revenue is up. If that's dying then I'm sure ms is saying keep killing us....lol that's more money in the shareholders pockets. thats what they care about. It's better than selling 5million and posting a loss any day.
    1.2m lol with the most hyped exclusive of this gen is very bad lol. Nothing you say lol can divert that, sub. lol.

    Quantum break nor Sunset overdrive will shift more consoles than titanfall. What you and other xbone fans should be worried about is MS taking their foot off the gas of exclusives. But you're probably used to that treatment since you owned the 360 and didn't demand more than halo,forza,gears and fable.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    Xbox revenue is up. If that's dying then I'm sure ms is saying keep killing us....lol that's more money in the shareholders pockets. thats what they care about. It's better than selling 5million and posting a loss any day.
    Xbox revenue is up.....from what? Last quarter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    MS is still making billions. No surprise there.
    Maybe they should buy up all the XBones then. You know, since money buys everything. The only thing it hasn't done is buy sales or interest in the product.

    Pretty clear why EA went scrambling to the negotiating table to secure rights to the Titanfall franchise now. Money didn't buy it's way out of that, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    Xbox revenue is up. If that's dying then I'm sure ms is saying keep killing us....lol that's more money in the shareholders pockets. thats what they care about. It's better than selling 5million and posting a loss any day.
    and margin is down by 34 %.

    I am sure shareholders love that. Making smaller profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AttackTitan View Post
    900K on shelves is probably conservative given that was Dec 31 after the holiday when the stock is at lowest.

    It is most likely that actual sold is eve lower than 4.2 million.



    No surprise you are bringing unrelated topic there to cover up weak sales.
    Unrelated topic? Duh, it's a quarterly report. Not just about Xbox, which saw growth too.

    Quote Originally Posted by AttackTitan View Post
    and margin is down by 34 %.


    I am sure shareholders love that. Making smaller profit.
    smaller profits? You need to read that again. Margin is down because of higher xbox sales and the launch of Xbox 1. One thing for sure is that xbox division is mighty healthy. The numbers speak for themselves.
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    These numbers aren't Wii-U bad at least. MS could limp and crawl on until something heavier lands on the platform. I implied earlier that dropping the Kinect and lowering the price would help, but I realize that there's still nothing on the system to really persuade anyone into buying it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    Xbox revenue is up. If that's dying then I'm sure ms is saying keep killing us....lol that's more money in the shareholders pockets. thats what they care about. It's better than selling 5million and posting a loss any day.
    Which is irrelevant. Numbers like these don't make for sustainable business plans. The profits made per console are extremely short term benefits. You need a lot of people to adopt the console to really capitalize on it further with games and additional services. That's especially important for what MS is focusing on this generation, which is all about media providence.

    That is something to concern shareholders and investors.

    The console isn't dead. I doubt anyone thinks that. But it is hurting, and every month MS wastes not improving the situation is giving more power to Sony. Too much of an early imbalance will make sure things remain difficult for the XBox side throughout the generation. That's the reality of the situation.
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    Yeah, theoretically, if the system continues to sell at this pace, we are talking about Gen 6 numbers again for XBox. Also, things are not looking good for the public image of the brand. I won't make a thread out of this, because I am trying my damndest not to be the Lefein of Olde, but the machine is having real challenges. If Titanfall's low system push wasn't a sign, this certainly is.
    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2457048,00.asp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    is this just NPD? isn't 1.2M a little too low for "shipped-2-retailers" numbers worldwide?

    are you ****ing kidding me? 1.2M shipped to retailers? in 3 months?

    RETAILERS!?
    Plus probably another 500-900k shipped in the last week of December.
    There is no doubt they had a fair bit of this 1/4 stock stuffed into last quarter.
    Either way 1.2 million isn't fantastic, they usually average 1.2-1.4 on average 1/4 in this time period. But 3 months post launch, you'd expect demand to be much higher than say 2-3 years down the track.

    I wonder how they will react.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two4DaMoney View Post
    1.2m lol with the most hyped exclusive of this gen is very bad lol. Nothing you say lol can divert that, sub. lol.

    Quantum break nor Sunset overdrive will shift more consoles than titanfall. What you and other xbone fans should be worried about is MS taking their foot off the gas of exclusives. But you're probably used to that treatment since you owned the 360 and didn't demand more than halo,forza,gears and fable.
    My friend Devin keep sharing picts from Photomode of Infamous: Second Son... he hasn't even bought Titanfall for PC like he was planning, and he's a hardcore PC gamer on STEAM 24/7, or at least he was.

    7/4.2 PS4's ahead in sales numbers about as much as it's ahead in average resolution, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    Unrelated topic? Duh, it's a quarterly report. Not just about Xbox, which saw growth too.



    smaller profits? You need to read that again. Margin is down because of higher xbox sales and the launch of Xbox 1. One thing for sure is that xbox division is mighty healthy. The numbers speak for themselves.
    I don't think you understand finance.

    Revenue is vanity, Profit is sanity.

    Lower margins means you made a smaller % profit on what you sold than expected.
    Maths is biased! It keeps telling me the PS4 is 50% more powerful than XboxOne!
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Willaford View Post
    My friend Devin keep sharing picts from Photomode of Infamous: Second Son... he hasn't even bought Titanfall for PC like he was planning, and he's a hardcore PC gamer on STEAM 24/7, or at least he was.

    7/4.2 PS4's ahead in sales numbers about as much as it's ahead in average resolution, lol.
    4.2? Where did you get 4.2 from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefein View Post
    Yeah, theoretically, if the system continues to sell at this pace, we are talking about Gen 6 numbers again for XBox. Also, things are not looking good for the public image of the brand. I won't make a thread out of this, because I am trying my damndest not to be the Lefein of Olde, but the machine is having real challenges. If Titanfall's low system push wasn't a sign, this certainly is.
    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2457048,00.asp
    Uh... What kind of factor is a purely opinionated article in this? So some guy had an impatient child waiting on a couple of updates. Who cares.
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    You know I was browsing the thread you linked and came across this:

    http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...#post109399327

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    Unrelated topic? Duh, it's a quarterly report. Not just about Xbox, which saw growth too.
    I'm still trying to figure out this growth and increase in Xbox revenue. What are you saying here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapture View Post
    These numbers aren't Wii-U bad at least. MS could limp and crawl on until something heavier lands on the platform. I implied earlier that dropping the Kinect and lowering the price would help, but I realize that there's still nothing on the system to really persuade anyone into buying it.



    Which is irrelevant. Numbers like these don't make for sustainable business plans. The profits made per console are extremely short term benefits. You need a lot of people to adopt the console to really capitalize on it further with games and additional services. That's especially important for what MS is focusing on this generation, which is all about media providence.

    That is something to concern shareholders and investors.

    The console isn't dead. I doubt anyone thinks that. But it is hurting, and every month MS wastes nothing trying to improve the situation is giving more power to Sony. Too much of an early imbalance will make sure things remain difficult for the XBox side throughout the generation. That's the reality of the situation.
    This is a quarterly report. The division is pretty healthy according to it. 20billion for the quarter and xbox revenue is up 45%. That doesn't sounds like they are hurting too bad. I don't see how they are giving power to Sony. They are clearly making more money and not posting huge losses like Sony. Remember they just posted over 1 billion in losses even with good ps4 sales. At the end of the day they are in a much better position than Sony as a company. Xbox one isn't outdoing ps4 but at the same time they are making more money on Xbox than Sony is making on ps. A whole lot more.

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    1/4 million dollars isn't' a bad number to walk away with for 3 months work I guess, but those sales need a boost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    Unrelated topic? Duh, it's a quarterly report. Not just about Xbox, which saw growth too.
    In Xbox Section. With Sales figure on thread name.

    Yes, so what you said is unrelated. And yes, you are desperately trying to cover the weak sales up.

    smaller profits? You need to read that again. Margin is down because of higher xbox sales and the launch of Xbox 1. One thing for sure is that xbox division is mighty healthy. The numbers speak for themselves.
    So the margin is down... what you said rest was just PR fluff. Learning from MS?

    Also, I wouldnt call selling less than X360 did in its second quarter "mighty healthy"

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    Quote Originally Posted by AttackTitan View Post
    In Xbox Section. With Sales figure on thread name.

    Yes, so what you said is unrelated. And yes, you are desperately trying to cover the weak sales up.



    So the margin is down... what you said rest was just PR fluff. Learning from MS?

    Also, I wouldnt call selling less than X360 did in its second quarter "mighty healthy"
    It says Quarterly Report, and profits are always part of that, and always have been discussed in these threads,so no, you can't make you mind up which part of the quarterly report gets discussed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    1/4 million dollars isn't' a bad number to walk away with for 3 months work I guess, but those sales need a boost.
    Yep, they could use a sales boot. It wouldn't hurt.

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    What's next for MS? They've had everything possible to help sales. Price cuts to the point that the ps4 would cost customers more money. A major hyped exclusive. Kinect Sports...


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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    It says Quarterly Report, and profits are always part of that, and always have been discussed in these threads,so no, you can't make you mind up which part of the quarterly report gets discussed.
    Habit of taking things out of context again?

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