Piracy certainly isn't the downfall for the PSP.. that's a null point to try and make. NDS, 360, both easily pirated, yet are doing very well. Excuses, that's all it is. I should be able to, and will continue to, do whatever I want with my items.
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12-18-2010 #53if I am in the PS3 or 360 section I will NOT post about the competitor just to please people, if you want to know what I think about the competitor link me to a thread in the appropriate section
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It's one thing to encourage or promote piracy, it's another thing all together when your laws aren't dictated by corporations and how much money they are willing to spend on legislation.
Thank you itachi
first, glad it's not up to you. Second, blacklist them from buying another PS3? That has to be one of the most hilarious things I've read here in a while.
That's true, if you read the TOS on a lot of electronics you buy, you never technically OWN it. Your just purchasing the use of it. But imo. Fear is prolly one of those people who think stealing is a good thing,
But then i'm not gonna go into this again, there is always a flame war, someone gets told off, then thread is locked so let's end it here rather then getting a perfectly goodish thread locked. So i'l give in and say you win for this F34R.
Thank you itachi
2. Of course the TOS protects companies from what consumers do. Have you ever read it. I am serious. Sit down and read it. For such a large company they wrote in clauses that will protect them from individuals but it makes it really insane for them to go after an individual. Have you ever seen Sony go after individuals for simply modifying their device? The only way you can get the idea is that the consumer is limited, is if you try to exert your will over property that you don't own, namely the OS, then you can try that argument but ownership is 9/10ths of the law here. These companies license the software to you you don't own it. If you let a friend borrow your DVD, does he automatically own it because he puts it an a DVD player he owns? If you pay a membership fee to a video store does that gives you the right to "keep" anything you rent from the store?
Why does it seem like people have such flexible concepts of ownership? What is so hard about understanding that you do NOT own the software?
What you don't seem to get, is that people aren't debating about what damage or good the homebrew people can do. It must be pointed out that hombrew people do not need to use a PS3, and because of the lack of native drivers for the console it is probably the worst experience they could have making apps for it. But really this is about the people who aim to pirate and damage, and no amount of deflection is going to persuade people that they do not exist.
It doesn't matter what they are going to do with the jailbreak, because of what it is, and what it intends to do, it is wrong.
But really this is about the people who aim to pirate and damage
You do not have any ownership rights or interests in the System Software. All intellectual property rights therein belong to SCE and its licensors, and all use or access to such System Software shall be subject to the terms of this Agreement and all applicable copyright and intellectual property lawsYou may not (i) use any unauthorized, illegal, counterfeit, or modified hardware or software in connection with the System Software, including use of tools to bypass, disable, or circumvent any encryption, security, or authentication mechanism for the PS3™ system
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Thank you itachi
I concede that I don't own the software in such a literal sense, and we'll leave it at that. I don't think we'll ever agree on my stance with the software, or the laws that apply to it. The DVD rental example was a pretty poor analogy and isn't even remotely the same to what we're talking about.
I don't use the PSN on my hacked PS3, but I don't really need to though, as I have a Slim for that purpose.
I don't think anyone is trying to say that pirates don't exist, or that a majority of people that jailbreak do so for piracy... that's not the point at all. The point is Sony doesn't have the right to tell me what I can and can't do with my PS3. Period.
As far as the homebrew statement you've made, you couldn't be further from the truth Static. There are some really promising apps out right now that are available and in development.
I fullly accept the copyright to a game or OS is owned by the author/manufacturer and that I'm not legally allowed to modify it. But I do own the instance of the OS which is on my console and I'll change it if I want to thanks to the likes of PSJailbreak. Now it would be great if we could get away from telling each other what we can't do with our own machines and back to PSJailbreak and the implications of its sale being declared legal in Spain. As I've already said, I don't think it ought to be since it is primarily about enabling piracy, but that's Sony's own fault for messing up with OtherOS.
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