Health & Exercise Thread! 2.0

[Sub-stance1]

Your above link did not do anything to help your point unfortunately. Having firmer muscles and improving your posture lol, why are you posting crap articles like these when you know they don't help you at all? Where are all the scientific studies? I have asked them in nearly every single post yet you always try to find a way to go around them. You always talk about how ''people have done it'' yet I don't see examples. It's actual studies against your word man.

And your did...lol


I have provided plenty to show that there are some that believe that it isn't entirely impossible. Science or no science,spot reducing fat has been done before. You can continue to believe what you want but it doesn't change the information or the opinions of some who have actually seen it done(myself included). You even said it yourself here:

Now, spot fat reduction is possible, but to a VERY VERY minimal extent.

I'll stand by what I said. Its totally possible depending on the person and certain other factors.

[spyrde]

Holy fucking jesus, half a gram of fat in half a year when working out 10 times a week!!!!!!!!!! Did you even read the results? It's like a grain of sand in a beach, close to nothing. No way is this dependable on a persons genetics. Oh god are you really this ignorant? As a PT you should be open to new information when you are clearly false with this one, you are just harming your clients with your bro-science. It's amazing how you can keep on going when you can't back up anything what you say.

[Sub-stance1]

Holy fucking jesus, half a gram of fat in half a year when working out 10 times a week!!!!!!!!!! Did you even read the results? It's like a grain of sand in a beach, close to nothing. No way is this dependable on a persons genetics. Oh god are you really this ignorant? As a PT you should be open to new information when you are clearly false with this one, you are just harming your clients with your bro-science. It's amazing how you can keep on going when you can't back up anything what you say.

lol...not even close dude. You can lose way more than that in that time.

I have never ever failed a client before and genetics/ body type does play a role in it. As a PT you learn that different things work for different people. No where did I ever say that this is the norm, but it has been done before and it's certainly not impossible. I have trained female clients before who have lost inches on their thighs, as well as hips without doing any cardio at all, and I have trained some that needed cardio to do it. It all depends on the person, their diet, and body type. Either way genetics, as well as other factors(like age ) play a role. Some people have a genetic weakness to burn dietary fat and are more likely to become overweight. This is why some dietary supplements are good because they help compensate for genetic weaknesses.

[LM-93]

Some advice required here; I hope someone can give me some kind of routine.
Ok so I am around 5'4 and weigh around 59kg, (small, for my age of 19, but y'know) And have a slim figure, almost athletic.
I have been smoking for 3 years and stopped around 2/3 weeks ago, (I had one or two during the England game on sunday)..
I used to run 13 miles when I was an amateur boxer at around the age of 15, however now I honestly struggle to run a block.

Anyway, background bio complete, my question is this; 5 weeks today, I travel to Ibiza for two weeks.
Needless today, being at the age I am and going on a lads holiday, I'd enjoy looking good on the beaches, etc (without sounding vein)
In the 5 weeks time I have, potentially how 'ripped' or toned could i get, all round?
I am a member of a gym, so if someone has a really good weekly weights workout routine, that'd rock.

Also, I might just had, i virtually have no body fat, but I'm not skin and bone... Suppose photo's can be provided if necessary.

Thanks in advance guys

[Sub-stance1]

Some advice required here; I hope someone can give me some kind of routine.
Ok so I am around 5'4 and weigh around 59kg, (small, for my age of 19, but y'know) And have a slim figure, almost athletic.
I have been smoking for 3 years and stopped around 2/3 weeks ago, (I had one or two during the England game on sunday)..
I used to run 13 miles when I was an amateur boxer at around the age of 15, however now I honestly struggle to run a block.

Anyway, background bio complete, my question is this; 5 weeks today, I travel to Ibiza for two weeks.
Needless today, being at the age I am and going on a lads holiday, I'd enjoy looking good on the beaches, etc (without sounding vein)
In the 5 weeks time I have, potentially how 'ripped' or toned could i get, all round?
I am a member of a gym, so if someone has a really good weekly weights workout routine, that'd rock.

Also, I might just had, i virtually have no body fat, but I'm not skin and bone... Suppose photo's can be provided if necessary.

Thanks in advance guys

I'll leave it to another member since any workout advice I give have to backed up with scientific proof...lol

[PeanutButterMunky]

I'm not even going to read half the bullshit that's been posted above, but there are some seriously silly claims being made. You need to understand one point and one point only... it is the first law of thermodynamics. If you consume more calories than you are expending, you will gain weight. If you consume less calories than you are expending, you will lose weight. It is irrelevant what time you eat as long as you are consuming less calories than you've burned that day. This isn't a hypothesis, it is called a law for a reason, such as the law of gravity. It's not up for discussion, that's how calories work. There are details within the fabric of individual people's diets that affect various aspects of their body such as metabolism, insulin resistance, and about a trillion other things, but the law never changes... even for those with metabolic disorders. You can give advice on dieting on ways to eat healthier or maximize nutrient uptake or formulating a diet plan for a diabetic, but please don't dispute the calorie issue. It's not up for debate.

[x6Teen]

lols me and my friends, and many other people, always joke about how bad many PT's are.

haaaiii guise yew can tone yur abs with just one simple rule !!!11111 do plenty of crunches and situps 4 that perfect toned beach body and flat stomach. and don't forget, do not eat at night or all yur hard work will be useless !!11

I'll leave it to another member since any workout advice I give have to backed up with scientific proof...lol

lolwut

Some advice required here; I hope someone can give me some kind of routine.
Ok so I am around 5'4 and weigh around 59kg, (small, for my age of 19, but y'know) And have a slim figure, almost athletic.
I have been smoking for 3 years and stopped around 2/3 weeks ago, (I had one or two during the England game on sunday)..
I used to run 13 miles when I was an amateur boxer at around the age of 15, however now I honestly struggle to run a block.

Anyway, background bio complete, my question is this; 5 weeks today, I travel to Ibiza for two weeks.
Needless today, being at the age I am and going on a lads holiday, I'd enjoy looking good on the beaches, etc (without sounding vein)
In the 5 weeks time I have, potentially how 'ripped' or toned could i get, all round?
I am a member of a gym, so if someone has a really good weekly weights workout routine, that'd rock.

Also, I might just had, i virtually have no body fat, but I'm not skin and bone... Suppose photo's can be provided if necessary.

Thanks in advance guys

assuming you didn't do any serious weight training before, in 5 weeks you could change your appearance significantly when your shirt is off but if you're wearing a shirt, you'd look the same, if you know what i mean lol.

if you are strict with your training and diet in the first 5 weeks, your noob gains would be unbelievable.

i recommend PHAT, it's a pretty good routine IMO because you'd be not only getting muscle gains, but also strength gains.

Day 1: Upper body power day
Day 2: Lower body power day
Day 3: rest
Day 4: Back and shoulders hypertrophy
Day 5: Lower body hypertrophy
Day 6: Chest and arms hypertrophy
Day 7: rest

even though it's is a pretty long read, it's definitely worth it. if you don't understand any of the words there, just ask here or type it in google.

http://www.simplyshredded.com/mega-f...ated-2011.html

i don't expect a beginner to follow the exercises listed for each of the training days cos most of them don't have the mental strength to do so but you should definitely follow the sets, reps and training days schedule.

as for diet, read through the last few pages of this thread, PBM posted most of what you need to know already

and btw, here's a really good example of taking advantage of noob gains. this guy was 16.

[Marisaur]

If you consume more calories than you are expending, you will gain weight. If you consume less calories than you are expending, you will lose weight. It is irrelevant what time you eat as long as you are consuming less calories than you've burned that day. This isn't a hypothesis, it is called a law for a reason, such as the law of gravity. It's not up for discussion, that's how calories work. There are details within the fabric of individual people's diets that affect various aspects of their body such as metabolism, insulin resistance, and about a trillion other things, but the law never changes... even for those with metabolic disorders. You can give advice on dieting on ways to eat healthier or maximize nutrient uptake or formulating a diet plan for a diabetic, but please don't dispute the calorie issue. It's not up for debate.

perfect post. there are hundreds of factors to consider, but that is pretty much the only thing that is the same for everyone.

I just use the "Lose It!" app for iphone, or just loseit.com. Probably the most important part is it doesn't only let you track calories - you can keep an eye on specific nutrient balance too. Plus it lets me customize my plan and gives me more freedom if I think their plan is too hard

I lost 10 pounds in 3 months, which isn't outrageous, but it was a healthy weight loss and I didn't feel like I had to make any big sacrifices in my life.

[Sub-stance1]

I'm not even going to read half the bullshit that's been posted above, but there are some seriously silly claims being made. You need to understand one point and one point only... it is the first law of thermodynamics. If you consume more calories than you are expending, you will gain weight. If you consume less calories than you are expending, you will lose weight. It is irrelevant what time you eat as long as you are consuming less calories than you've burned that day. This isn't a hypothesis, it is called a law for a reason, such as the law of gravity. It's not up for discussion, that's how calories work. There are details within the fabric of individual people's diets that affect various aspects of their body such as metabolism, insulin resistance, and about a trillion other things, but the law never changes... even for those with metabolic disorders. You can give advice on dieting on ways to eat healthier or maximize nutrient uptake or formulating a diet plan for a diabetic, but please don't dispute the calorie issue. It's not up for debate.

This is true but not all calories are equal. It really depends on what you eat. That does have an effect too.

[Marisaur]

All calories ARE equal.

Different nutrients have different calorie content though. 1 gram of fat has 9 calories. 1 gram of protein has 4 calories.

(this is of course just about math. of course other nutrients are important and they do matter for health. Calorie count is NOT the only thing you should worry about in a diet.

Just, if you burn more calories than you consume, you lose weight. Period)

[Sub-stance1]

All calories ARE equal.

Different nutrients have different calorie content though. 1 gram of fat has 9 calories. 1 gram of protein has 4 calories.

(this is of course just about math. of course other nutrients are important and they do matter for health. Calorie count is NOT the only thing you should worry about in a diet.

Just, if you burn more calories than you consume, you lose weight. Period)

exactly...so they aren't equal. For example, ice cream is mostly sugar and fat calories, whereas a salad is a trove of vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, and fiber calories.

[x6Teen]

exactly...so they aren't equal. For example, ice cream is mostly sugar and fat calories, whereas a salad is a trove of vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, and fiber calories.

but you can still lose weight eating mcdonalds and icecream just as you could eating salads

[Marisaur]

no, carb, fat, and protein calories ARE the same. The point was that fat has MORE of them per gram than protein. So eating less fat means less calories.

BUT whether you eat 500 calories worth of fat, or 500 calories of protein, it will take the same amount of effort to burn them.

The only different is, there are a lot of fats that are bad for your cardiovascular system, etc. Protein is better for you (generally).

[Sub-stance1]

but you can still lose weight eating mcdonalds and icecream just as you could eating salads

True but maybe not at the same rate as eating healthy food. It all depends on the person. I have known people who have lost weight eating only junk food, but I wouldn't recommend it if you want to improve your overall fitness.

no, carb, fat, and protein calories ARE the same. The point was that fat has MORE of them per gram than protein. So eating less fat means less calories.

BUT whether you eat 500 calories worth of fat, or 500 calories of protein, it will take the same amount of effort to burn them.

The only different is, there are a lot of fats that are bad for your cardiovascular system, etc. Protein is better for you (generally).

That varies from person to person because we all have different metabolism levels.

[Marisaur]

You're right that people who eat healthy are overall more physically capable of being fit. But NOT because of calories and NOT because of their weight. Its important for clients to know that.

And people do have different metabolisms. But ONE person - no matter what metabolism they were blessed with - will burn the SAME amount of calories from the SAME amount of effort, whether it was from fat, carbs, or protein.

im starting to understand something about our country's health problems now, though. lol

[Sub-stance1]

You're right that people who eat healthy are overall more physically capable of being fit. But NOT because of calories and NOT because of their weight. Its important for clients to know that.

And people do have different metabolisms. But ONE person - no matter what metabolism they were blessed with - will burn the SAME amount of calories from the SAME amount of effort, whether it was from fat, carbs, or protein.

im starting to understand something about our country's health problems now, though. lol

It depends on a person's fat burning heart rate which varies depending on age and other factors. High intensity exercises tend to burn more fat and calories than low intensity exercise.

[spyrde]

lol...not even close dude. You can lose way more than that in that time.

You really did not understand any part of that study I see....

[Sub-stance1]

You really did not understand any part of that study I see....

lol...Its not that important. Just keep training dude.

[PeanutButterMunky]

Quit back peddling. You were wrong. Move on. The subject was clearly calories and weight loss only and your comments regarding the time of day or even the type of food were wholly inaccurate. It is wrong to give people bad information based on myths and outdated information. There is an ungodly mass of awful information out there and it is our duty as PT's to remove the vail of bullshit.

Healthy food choices is another topic entirely, but it has nothing to do with weight loss in regards to "bad calories" causing weight gain. The only time bad food causes weight gain is when someone is eating more calories than is required for their body. You can get fat eating healthy food as well if you are consistently eating too much. It swings both ways.

[Sub-stance1]

Quit back peddling. You were wrong. Move on. The subject was clearly calories and weight loss only and your comments regarding the time of day or even the type of food were wholly inaccurate. It is wrong to give people bad information based on myths and outdated information. There is an ungodly mass of awful information out there and it is our duty as PT's to remove the vail of bullshit.

Healthy food choices is another topic entirely, but it has nothing to do with weight loss in regards to "bad calories" causing weight gain. The only time bad food causes weight gain is when someone is eating more calories than is required for their body.You can get fat eating healthy food as well if you are consistently eating too much. It swings both ways.

I wasn't wrong dude....you guys are the ones that seem to be confused. Eating before bed or late at night could inhibit your calorie-burning the next day. It all depends on what you eat and the portion size. The meal you eat before bed is just as important as any other meal you consume daily. People who skip meals during the day are more likely to binge during the evening and at night which could very well lead to weight gain and trouble sleeping.


Yes, you can get fat by eating anything but you are less likely to if the food is healthy. It all depends on the person. I've never failed a male or female client in helping them reach their goals. I'll stick to my guns on that and any other things I've learned through my experiences. The real vail of bullshit comes from thinking the same thing works for everyone, when the reality is that it just doesn't.

You are less active at night and are burning fewer calories
Your metabolism is slowest while you are sleeping
You will release more insulin at night compared to in the morning
Your glycogen stores are fuller after a day of eating so you are more likely to store excess carbohydrate as fat instead of storing it as muscle glycogen

All facts right there dude, whether you want to believe it or not.

[x6Teen]

I wasn't wrong dude....you guys are the ones that seem to be confused. Eating before bed or late at night could inhibit your calorie-burning the next day. It all depends on what you eat and the portion size. The meal you eat before bed is just as important as any other meal you consume daily. People who skip meals during the day are more likely to binge during the evening and at night which could very well lead to weight gain and trouble sleeping.


Yes, you can get fat by eating anything but you are less likely to if the food is healthy. It all depends on the person. I've never failed a male or female client in helping them reach their goals. I'll stick to my guns on that and any other things I've learned through my experiences. The real vail of bullshit comes from thinking the same thing works for everyone, when the reality is that it just doesn't.

tbh i don't mind what you said everything else in that post ^^ but the bold .....

[Sub-stance1]

tbh i don't mind what you said everything else in that post ^^ but the bold .....

It all goes back to what i said about it depending on the Individual.

Its difficult to provide a list of foods that apply to everyone but some are great for helping you burn fat because they are low in caloric density. Remember, a food could be healthy and loaded with nutrients, but very high in calories..... On the other hand, a food could be low in calories, but void of nutrients, so it might help you lose fat, but will do nothing for your health.

[PeanutButterMunky]

I wasn't wrong dude....you guys are the ones that seem to be confused. Eating before bed or late at night could inhibit your calorie-burning the next day. It all depends on what you eat and the portion size. The meal you eat before bed is just as important as any other meal you consume daily. People who skip meals during the day are more likely to binge during the evening and at night which could very well lead to weight gain and trouble sleeping.


Yes, you can get fat by eating anything but you are less likely to if the food is healthy. It all depends on the person. I've never failed a male or female client in helping them reach their goals. I'll stick to my guns on that and any other things I've learned through my experiences. The real vail of bullshit comes from thinking the same thing works for everyone, when the reality is that it just doesn't.

You're being willingly ignorant. You're wrong, end of story. It's a simple concept and you're refusing to accept basic principles of science. If you aren't willing to be humbled by real information, then you are not qualified to help anyone. Training people is a learning process and during that process you should be adamantly seeking the truth in a sea of bad information, such as the crap you are spewing. You aren't more or less likely to get fat if the food is healthy or unhealthy. If you aren't eating above your body's caloric needs, you will not gain weight regardless of how nutritious or horrible the food is. The end. I'm not advocating people eat whatever they want. But people need to realize first and foremost why they gain weight. It has nothing to do with what they eat. It's how much of that food they eat (calories). Once they realize this, it's much easier for them to work into a new lifestyle. Having them figure out how much they're eating really puts things into perspective. I will always advocate healthy eating, but you shouldn't act like your clients are idiots. They aren't. They're just misinformed and it's your job to show them the right path. I'm not telling you to change how you train people or your routines or advice, but nothing you say to try and refute a basic law of caloric expenditure will hold any water. There's nothing to debate. It is what it is.

I realize the thousand underlying biological processes that are all related to the food we put in our faces... we all agree on that... but the amount of calories people consume is the defining reason for weight loss or gain. I don't know how many different ways to say this to get you to understand, but this will be the last time. Because any more effort toward this simple concept would be moot.

[SchaffinOSX]

I'd hate to interrupt the bickering, but the last time I posted my workout I got no comments (or none that I noticed), and I'd really appreciate some feedback. I'm really passionate about getting into shape and want to make sure I'm on the right track. I'm open to all criticism.

Workout A:

• Barbell bench press 3x5 - I've been experimenting with various weights. I'm still bench pressing minimal weight, but I can tell that progress is being made.
• Barbell bent-over row 3x8 - Same as with the bench press. Some progress is being made. I'm still having trouble with getting the correct form on this one. My knees seem to get in the way when I'm lifting.
• Row 3x8 - I've been increasing weight steadily. What used to be enormously difficult is now moderately easy.
• Camber Curls 3x8 - Increasing weight steadily.
• Incline bench press 3x8 - This one is difficult for me, but I've been progressing. (I actually just realized that I completely forgot to do this exercise the other day!)
• Pull-ups 3x8 - Definite progress being made here. I was able to do one unassisted pull-up yesterday, which for me is a sign of definite improvement. Still much progress to be made.
• Sit ups 3x8

Workout B:

• Squats 3x8 - I'm around 128-130 lbs. and have the squatting machine on 140 lbs., so I'm fairly happy with where I am there. These are certainly high intensity.
• Deadlifts 3x8 - Same as with the bent-over row. I seem to have trouble with my knees getting in the way of the bar when I lift. They're still very useful and I can definitely feel my body and back being worked, but I need to work on perfecting my form.
• Dumbell curls 3x8 - I do eight lifts with each hand, three times. Working on increasing the amount of weight I can do.
• Side dumbell lateral raises 2x8 - Getting easier. Still only doing this with very light weights, but I can feel my muscles being worked and I think they're paying off.
• Seated leg press 3x8
• Leg extensions 3x8
• Skullcrushers 3x8 - Tried to lift a bit too much weight with these today, so my form was a bit off. Next time, I plan to decrease the weight and re-focus on getting that perfect form.

So here's how my average week would go. I haven't implemented the running yet, but I'm considering it.

Day 1: Workout A
Day 2: Workout B
Day 3: Run / Jog
Day 4: Workout A
Day 5: Workout B
Day 6: Run / Jog
Day 7: Workout A

Rinse and repeat. Is this an effective workout? Will this help me in my quest for a lean body, and a thin, chiseled physique?

[Sub-stance1]

You're being willingly ignorant. You're wrong, end of story. It's a simple concept and you're refusing to accept basic principles of science. If you aren't willing to be humbled by real information, then you are not qualified to help anyone. Training people is a learning process and during that process you should be adamantly seeking the truth in a sea of bad information, such as the crap you are spewing. You aren't more or less likely to get fat if the food is healthy or unhealthy. If you aren't eating above your body's caloric needs, you will not gain weight regardless of how nutritious or horrible the food is. The end. I'm not advocating people eat whatever they want. But people need to realize first and foremost why they gain weight. It has nothing to do with what they eat. It's how much of that food they eat (calories). Once they realize this, it's much easier for them to work into a new lifestyle. Having them figure out how much they're eating really puts things into perspective. I will always advocate healthy eating, but you shouldn't act like your clients are idiots. They aren't. They're just misinformed and it's your job to show them the right path. I'm not telling you to change how you train people or your routines or advice, but nothing you say to try and refute a basic law of caloric expenditure will hold any water. There's nothing to debate. It is what it is.

I realize the thousand underlying biological processes that are all related to the food we put in our faces... we all agree on that... but the amount of calories people consume is the defining reason for weight loss or gain. I don't know how many different ways to say this to get you to understand, but this will be the last time. Because any more effort toward this simple concept would be moot.

lol...what do you mean real information? What I posted is real information and factual. You can keep saying "end of story" til you turn blue but I'm not wrong and you won't get me to change what I know to be facts. You really are lost if you think what people eat has nothing to do with weight gain. Weight loss will occur regardless of where your calories come from. You will ultimately lose weight if you accumulate a negative energy balance, or a state in which your body uses more calories through daily activity than you consume in your diet. However, your body still requires a balanced diet regardless of calorie intake. A person with a balanced diet is likely to lose weight faster and keep it off than a person who is just eating junk food. What are you accomplishing and learning by using unhealthy methods to lose weight?



This is what you don't seem to understand. When you have the desire to lose weight, its important to not just focus on the numbers on the scale or calories, but also to focus on your overall health, habits, and nutritional well-being. If you focus on the scale numbers and calorie intake without learning to eat in a healthy manner, you may have a hard time maintaining your weight loss for the long term.

Personal Trainers should always stress healthy eating first and foremost. What you eat does and always will matter in weight/fat loss.. I'm confident that i'm 100% correct in that statement. This is real information. I'm highly qualified and have been doing this for almost 2 decades and I stand by everything I say. I won't stoop to your level and call you ignorant but I will say that if you are telling people it doesn't matter what they eat, you are doing them more harm than good.