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    I'll probably end up voting for Johnson, but I want to do more research on him before I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    I thought Romney was more interesting than Obama, but apparently Romney lied more than Obama. So I guess it's a wash.
    LOL.... who lied more probably depends MOSTLY on who's doing the "fact checking" than what was actually said in the debate. IMO, I bet they were pretty close to each other in terms of the number of inaccuracies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weskurtz81 View Post
    LOL.... who lied more probably depends MOSTLY on who's doing the "fact checking" than what was actually said in the debate. IMO, I bet they were pretty close to each other in terms of the number of inaccuracies.
    Are there articles that go through Obama's lies? I've read a few about Romney, so I'd like to read some about Obama, if you can find some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    Are there articles that go through Obama's lies? I've read a few about Romney, so I'd like to read some about Obama, if you can find some.
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ential-debate/

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    Thanks. Judging from this, it seems Romney lied a bit more than Obama. However, he was also more aggressive and made a greater amount of claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    I'll probably end up voting for Johnson, but I want to do more research on him before I do.
    My vote will be cast for Johnson.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulgotha View Post
    My vote will be cast for Johnson.
    Do you know of a detailed rundown of his stances, policies, proposals, etc that I can look at?

    EDIT: It seems his website is a good place to start, but it might be biased....
    Last edited by Ixion; 10-04-2012 at 21:44.

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    Yeah, I will have to take a long hard look at Johnson prior to casting my vote... ultimately the guy won't get elected but it's always best IMO to vote for the best available candidate regardless of his chances of getting electing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    Do you know of a detailed rundown of his stances, policies, proposals, etc that I can look at?

    EDIT: It seems his website is a good place to start, but it might be biased....
    Google the reddit Gary Johnson AMA's. There are graphs in there where he answers many of the important stuff himself.

    Otherwise, i'd just google the info.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    I'll probably end up voting for Johnson, but I want to do more research on him before I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by $Greatness$ View Post
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    I dont really even get into politics it seems every election i vote in i just feel like im voting for the lesser of two evils the debate wasnt anything really to talk about i expect things to get "entertaining" in the second and third debates....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacksite View Post
    Assuming either candidate is a shining beacon of hope and change.
    Does any politician ever remotely represent anything close to either of those

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    Quote Originally Posted by weskurtz81 View Post
    Who are you voting for?
    I don't vote. My vote doesn't count. They will put in office who they want. I'll still pay high taxes and the U.S will always get money off the War Economy as millions are without a job. EL OH EL


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    Oh yes, unemployment rate drops to 7.8% ! Yay!

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    Might want to look a little deeper into why it's falling... might not be what you think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weskurtz81 View Post
    Might want to look a little deeper into why it's falling... might not be what you think.
    There's a report that says that this particular month, it's not only because of people leaving the job market. There are new jobs and there are new people coming into the market as well.

    Before, it was generally jobs being lost and people leaving the market. If you look at the total loss, yea it doesn't look that great but the trend is definitely positive as of now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Wolf View Post
    Oh yes, unemployment rate drops to 7.8% ! Yay!
    I read they were inflating numbers, so don't be fooled. I would look more into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver_Knight View Post
    I read they were inflating numbers, so don't be fooled. I would look more into it.
    That's silly. How can they inflate numbers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    That's silly. How can they inflate numbers?
    Not inflate like make bigger because it's lesser. I'm talking inflate to make look what it's not. I seen this same topic being discussed yesterday.They said they were NOT counting certain people. I might have read wrong though.

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    Well, I believe they weren't counting the usual individuals that are discounted by the Labor department. Meaning those who are retired, no longer looking for work etc.

    No longer looking for work has been controversial of course. But the other factors of individuals they don't include is routine and appropriate. One way or another this is a more 'positive' number then we've seen before. Providing nothing dirty about it gets unearthed in the coming days anyway.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulgotha View Post
    Well, I believe they weren't counting the usual individuals that are discounted by the Labor department. Meaning those who are retired, no longer looking for work etc.

    No longer looking for work has been controversial of course. But the other factors of individuals they don't include is routine and appropriate. One way or another this is a more 'positive' number then we've seen before. Providing nothing dirty about it gets unearthed in the coming days anyway.
    There is nothing dirty about the unemployment rate rising or falling. Its perfectly normal. Next month it may go up.

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    ..It can be manipulated is what I was getting it. It has in the past.

    At the moment I don't see much of that going on, so it is good so far.


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    There is no manipulation going on. Just some election year silliness. Why would anyone want to put out a false report? It benefits no one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    There is no manipulation going on. Just some election year silliness. Why would anyone want to put out a false report? It benefits no one.
    I do admire your optimism and positive outlook.

    It would be overwhelmingly expedient politically to show that unemployment has gone down under a current administration\tenure of Congress in order to drum up public support.

    There has been manipulation or, at best, 'negligence' before where the government studies have not included people who have simply given up trying to get a job. This figure deflates the unemployment figures and paints a very misleading picture.
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