General Politics Thread

**Sub-stance1** · 10-07-2012

There is no manipulation going on. Just some election year silliness. Why would anyone want to put out a false report? It benefits no one.

**Vulgotha** · 10-07-2012

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

There is no manipulation going on. Just some election year silliness. Why would anyone want to put out a false report? It benefits no one.

I do admire your optimism and positive outlook.

It would be overwhelmingly expedient politically to show that unemployment has gone down under a current administration\tenure of Congress in order to drum up public support.

There has been manipulation or, at best, 'negligence' before where the government studies have not included people who have simply given up trying to get a job. This figure deflates the unemployment figures and paints a very misleading picture.

**Sub-stance1** · 10-07-2012

Originally Posted by Vulgotha

I do admire your optimism and positive outlook.

It would be overwhelmingly expedient politically to show that unemployment has gone down under a current administration\tenure of Congress in order to drum up public support.

There has been manipulation or, at best, 'negligence' before where the government studies have not included people who have simply given up trying to get a job. This figure deflates the unemployment figures and paints a very misleading picture.

At the same time there could be some people starting their own business. It still doesn't change the fact that it benefits no one to falsify a report. The people who crunch theses numbers have no ties to the white house. They are basically independent. There is no way any administration can manipulate unemployment data. Its just another cooked up conspiracy. First, it was the polls are rigged and now its this. If the rate had risen there would be no such manipulation talk.

**-Kwesnoth-** · 10-07-2012

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

There is no manipulation going on. Just some election year silliness. Why would anyone want to put out a false report? It benefits no one.

Do you really think that?

**squirrelbo1** · 10-07-2012

A false report showing employment is up benefits the current administration. If you can't see that then we will have to draw a line.

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**Sub-stance1** · 10-07-2012

Originally Posted by squirrelbo1

A false report showing employment is up benefits the current administration. If you can't see that then we will have to draw a line.

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First, there has to be proof that the report is false. Has there been some credible evidence that it has happened? I don't think so. This is nothing more than people politicizing the report for personal reasons. I guess it's subjective as to whether he will benefit from it, but it does reinforce what he has been saying. Election day will determine whether these final reports will do any harm or good. The unemployment rate rising hasn't helped Romney and a false report sure won't help Obama. That rate could shoot back up next month but it doesn't mean Romney will benefit from it.

People need to really stop with all these dumb conspiracy theories.

**Sufi** · 10-07-2012

Originally Posted by Vulgotha

Well, I believe they weren't counting the usual individuals that are discounted by the Labor department. Meaning those who are retired, no longer looking for work etc.

No longer looking for work has been controversial of course. But the other factors of individuals they don't include is routine and appropriate. One way or another this is a more 'positive' number then we've seen before. Providing nothing dirty about it gets unearthed in the coming days anyway.

But that's just it. They announced on NPR that the analysts are saying that not only there were new jobs but also they were more new people coming in than people leaving the job market. Which overrides the notion of not accounting those that are leaving the market.

If you retire, you retire, why would that matter in any case?

**Morganator** · 10-07-2012

Originally Posted by Sufi

But that's just it. They announced on NPR that the analysts are saying that not only there were new jobs but also they were more new people coming in than people leaving the job market. Which overrides the notion of not accounting those that are leaving the market.

If you retire, you retire, why would that matter in any case?

There's a difference between retirement and giving up due to continually lousy market conditions. In both cases, people are effectively seen as, "leaving the workforce". The fact is, there is a vast sum of numbers not being reported on. The net result is dishonest employment figures.

**Vulgotha** · 10-07-2012

Originally Posted by Morganator

There's a difference between retirement and giving up due to continually lousy market conditions. In both cases, people are effectively seen as, "leaving the workforce". The fact is, there is a vast sum of numbers not being reported on. The net result is dishonest employment figures.

This would happen Because.....

[someone finish this for me!]

**Sufi** · 10-08-2012

Originally Posted by Morganator

There's a difference between retirement and giving up due to continually lousy market conditions. In both cases, people are effectively seen as, "leaving the workforce". The fact is, there is a vast sum of numbers not being reported on. The net result is dishonest employment figures.

That's exactly my point. There's a huge difference between retirement and people getting fed up with the market and leaving.

I'm asking if retirement counts and why does it count? That would happen in any case.

How do we know that the numbers are not being reported?

Back to my earlier point, the report does mention people who are fed up and leaving and including them as well, the report says that more jobs were created than lost and more people found jobs (while including those that left and those that entered the market).

**btbam** · 10-08-2012

Hope ya'll realize we have to create bout 150k Jobs a month just to stay even with population growth. not only did we have job growth slower than population growth, we had more people leave the ranks of "unemployed" than jobs created. Basically they stopped counting 400k people, and added 100k jobs. so magically that 100k jobs drops the unemployment rate .4% touting these numbers means the obama campaign has not shame.

**Sub-stance1** · 10-08-2012

Originally Posted by btbam

Hope ya'll realize we have to create bout 150k Jobs a month just to stay even with population growth. not only did we have job growth slower than population growth, we had more people leave the ranks of "unemployed" than jobs created. Basically they stopped counting 400k people, and added 100k jobs. so magically that 100k jobs drops the unemployment rate .4% touting these numbers means the obama campaign has not shame.

Who is this they you are referring to?

**Sufi** · 10-08-2012

Ok, let's just say that what some of us are saying is true: They did leave out a huge number of people.

Do we have any sort of indication of that? I've heard of one official report from one side but the other side is basically hear-say so far.

Can we get some publication of these allegations at least? Some sort of proof that there's definitely a discrepancy.

**claud3** · 10-09-2012

Its a double headed coin.

Both the U.S and the WORLD will lose

**claud3** · 10-10-2012

How blind are most if not all if you

We are talking about two parties with the same path. War, borrowing, lies, killing their own people within their own boarders, drones on home soil, freedom that does not exist, removing over 5 million people from the election role, stealing elections

Should I go on or has the point got across. The two party system has deined freedom of choice, freedom of freedom and killed any hope of change in the country

" LAND OF THE FREE " and I use that term lightly. Because it makes me sick to the stomach that its still used now, when it means nothing anymore

The land of the misplaced, mis-informed and missin freedom

I may not live in the usa. But I sure hope people can live with themselfs there, knowning that its changing to a different landscape from the one they knew. When their fore fathers shaped it then and expected it to be the same forever. The land of the free, more the land of where did my freedom go

**Sub-stance1** · 10-10-2012

Originally Posted by claud3

How blind are most if not all if you

We are talking about two parties with the same path. War, borrowing, lies, killing their own people within their own boarders, drones on home soil, freedom that does not exist, removing over 5 million people from the election role, stealing elections

Should I go on or has the point got across. The two party system has deined freedom of choice, freedom of freedom and killed any hope of change in the country

" LAND OF THE FREE " and I use that term lightly. Because it makes me sick to the stomach that its still used now, when it means nothing anymore

The land of the misplaced, mis-informed and missin freedom

I may not live in the usa. But I sure hope people can live with themselfs there, knowning that its changing to a different landscape from the one they knew. When their fore fathers shaped it then and expected it to be the same forever. The land of the free, more the land of where did my freedom go

Yes, the US has its issues but don't act like we are alone. So stop with all the doom and gloom. This is just normal election year politics. Stop talking like your shit smells any sweeter because it really doesn't.

**Morganator** · 10-11-2012

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

Yes, the US has its issues but don't act like we are alone. So stop with all the doom and gloom. This is just normal election year politics. Stop talking like your shit smells any sweeter because it really doesn't.

At least the U.K. is getting its own house in order. They've cut back on military expenditures as well as taking other austerity measures to get them out of their own mess. In fact they're one of only two countries in Europe doing so. I'll say, the U.K. has room to talk. We on the other hand, don't. Now, stow the attitude because quite honestly, your partisan hack rhetoric is pure nonsense and everyone can see right through it.

**Vulgotha** · 10-11-2012

Originally Posted by claud3

How blind are most if not all if you

We are talking about two parties with the same path. War, borrowing, lies, killing their own people within their own boarders, drones on home soil, freedom that does not exist, removing over 5 million people from the election role, stealing elections

Should I go on or has the point got across. The two party system has deined freedom of choice, freedom of freedom and killed any hope of change in the country

" LAND OF THE FREE " and I use that term lightly. Because it makes me sick to the stomach that its still used now, when it means nothing anymore

The land of the misplaced, mis-informed and missin freedom

I may not live in the usa. But I sure hope people can live with themselfs there, knowning that its changing to a different landscape from the one they knew. When their fore fathers shaped it then and expected it to be the same forever. The land of the free, more the land of where did my freedom go

Holy shit. Not only do I understand this post grammatically but I COMPLETELY agree with it.

Cheers Claud3. You and I are on the same side today.

**$Greatness$** · 10-11-2012

Keeping it 100, I think we all should vote for Roger Goodell. He'll fix all this shit and fine people who stop outta bounds.

**Sub-stance1** · 10-11-2012

Originally Posted by Morganator

At least the U.K. is getting its own house in order. They've cut back on military expenditures as well as taking other austerity measures to get them out of their own mess. In fact they're one of only two countries in Europe doing so. I'll say, the U.K. has room to talk. We on the other hand, don't. Now, stow the attitude because quite honestly, your partisan hack rhetoric is pure nonsense and everyone can see right through it.

I don't have an attitude and its a free country, and you are more than welcome to move to the UK if you think things are so bad here. No one is really holding you back.

You just need to get over the fact that Paul is a non factor. No, we Americans aren't perfect but even with our issues we are still the greatest IMO. Last time I checked the U.K. still has issues of its own too. We have over come plenty of obstacles before and we will again. This election year is no different than any other. Its the same old shit every 4 years. Stop letting your emotions get the best of you. It looks bad.

**BoyBettaKnow** · 10-11-2012

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

I don't have an attitude and its a free country, and you are more than welcome to move to the UK if you think things are so bad here. No one is really holding you back.

You just need to get over the fact that Paul is a non factor. No, we Americans aren't perfect but even with our issues we are still the greatest IMO. Last time I checked the U.K. still has issues of its own too. We have over come plenty of obstacles before and we will again. This election year is no different than any other. Its the same old shit every 4 years. Stop letting your emotions get the best of you. It looks bad.

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

I'm quite enjoying being over here whilst all the election stuff is going on. It's all quite interesting to see it from America's point of view rather than how it is broadcasted in the UK. I don't think the country is as bad as some make it out to be though - but it's a different thing living here than spending a few weeks here. Some of my family reside in Connecticut and they seem to have no problems here, though they are fed up of their Senate.

I still think we are better than the US though. Isn't patriotism great

**Sub-stance1** · 10-11-2012

Originally Posted by BoyBettaKnow

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

I'm quite enjoying being over here whilst all the election stuff is going on. It's all quite interesting to see it from America's point of view rather than how it is broadcasted in the UK. I don't think the country is as bad as some make it out to be though - but it's a different thing living here than spending a few weeks here. Some of my family reside in Connecticut and they seem to have no problems here, though they are fed up of their Senate.

I still think we are better than the US though. Isn't patriotism great

There is nothing wrong with anyone thinking that there country is the greatest. That's the way people should be IMO. I don't judge other countries based on what the media says or what i hear so I'm gonna express my opinion. I expect others to do the same but please don't try to be slick and rag on Americans and not expect to get called out for it. It really gets kinda old. By the way,this isn't directed at you .

**Sub-stance1** · 10-12-2012

lol... Biden is destroying Ryan already.

**DINAMO788** · 10-12-2012

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

lol... Biden is destroying Ryan already.

If by destroying you mean, interrupting, then yes. He wont let him finish a sentence and the moderator is so terrible. she even chimes in with Biden at times. Also, he keeps on laughing and making these dumb faces like he's somewhere other than an important vice presidential debate. total jackass.

**Sub-stance1** · 10-12-2012

Originally Posted by DINAMO788

If by destroying you mean, interrupting, then yes. He wont let him finish a sentence and the moderator is so terrible. she even chimes in with Biden at times. Also, he keeps on laughing and making these dumb faces like he's somewhere other than an important vice presidential debate. total jackass.

That's because Ryan is lying his ass off. Its so funny.