General Politics Thread

**F34R** · 10-27-2012

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

It's also sad that some are acting like they care, when they are just using it to score political points.

Yeah. Obama could have at least helped these guys. Seven fucking hours???? He didn't do shit. That's the kinda guy I want in office.

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**Sub-stance1** · 10-27-2012

Originally Posted by Vulgotha

Because apparently as a fellow soldier, you don't care- to score political points right?

Nope... I don't need to score political points. Nothing anyone says will change the outcome.

Originally Posted by F34R

Yeah. Obama could have at least helped these guys. Seven fucking hours???? He didn't do shit. That's the kinda guy I want in office.

Maybe, maybe not. We don't know for sure. I doubt that the pres would sit back and do nothing knowing our embassy was under attack. There is no proof of that other than some media spreading that around. This is nothing more than the media trying to score political points. Similar things were said about bush knowing that 9-11 was gonna happen. There is no evidence to support neither.

**claud3** · 10-27-2012

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

Nope... I don't need to score political points. Nothing anyone says will change the outcome.

Maybe, maybe not. We don't know for sure. I doubt that the pres would sit back and do nothing knowing our embassy was under attack. There is no proof of that other than some media spreading that around. This is nothing more than the media trying to score political points. Similar things were said about bush knowing that 9-11 was gonna happen. There is no evidence to support neither.

in bold text, you still do not get it mate... Over the decades mate, the government has and has not protected u.s embassies over seas and their soldiers as well... You do not see what has happened. Look its all behind the scenes political choices that suit the president, congress and representatives

Do you really think that they value all soldiers and people in uniform, No they do not and the reason for this is still unclear and this is like any other government in the world. They never value the army as much as they should and do not respect them, far back as the first and second world war.

Yes they got medals and days for them.. But none were given the respect that they were meant to get... Because young men and women fight in wars, they know the truth of war. Where leaders sit back and take the credit

Come on... A choice between fighting for your country and getting respect and coming home a whole person and never letting all you're soul getting lost in battle is a tough thing to go through

But to sit in a office and watch you're people being killed in front of you and saying well that is the art of war, is a sick joke.

And for the man in office taking the credit for a war he is not fighting is completely wrong and that should never happen in any country

You really have not learnt how this works, in you're country or anywhere else

Believe me mate the U.S.A IS NOT ALONE IN THE DISRESPECT OF MEN AND WOMEN OF UNIFORM

and the credit the government takes for a war they are not even fighting.

Put a honest man in office and he will lie, put a lair in office and he will stay the same

**Sub-stance1** · 10-27-2012

Originally Posted by claud3

in bold text, you still do not get it mate... Over the decades mate, the government has and has not protected u.s embassies over seas and their soldiers as well... You do not see what has happened. Look its all behind the scenes political choices that suit the president, congress and representatives

Not true. While this embassy may have lacked all the protection it needed it doesn't mean that all embassies fall in that category. Very few people know what actually went down over there when it was happening and 4 of them are dead.

Do you really think that they value all soldiers and people in uniform, No they do not and the reason for this is still unclear and this is like any other government in the world. They never value the army as much as they should and do not respect them, far back as the first and second world war.

true, but that's true among more than just politicians. The average person doesn't care until there is war.

Yes they got medals and days for them.. But none were given the respect that they were meant to get... Because young men and women fight in wars, they know the truth of war. Where leaders sit back and take the credit

True, but some people don't care about getting respect. They should be respected but that isn't a factor for me.

Come on... A choice between fighting for your country and getting respect and coming home a whole person and never letting all you're soul getting lost in battle is a tough thing to go through

No shit. tell me something I don't know.

But to sit in a office and watch you're people being killed in front of you and saying well that is the art of war, is a sick joke.

It is a sick joke if that's what happening. There is no evidence of that.

And for the man in office taking the credit for a war he is not fighting is completely wrong and that should never happen in any country

Who's taking credit for any war they haven't fault? I haven't seen anyone do that.

You really have not learnt how this works, in you're country or anywhere else

I know better than some do. I just chose not to let it control my life. I don't live with fear.

Believe me mate the U.S.A IS NOT ALONE IN THE DISRESPECT OF MEN AND WOMEN OF UNIFORM

and the credit the government takes for a war they are not even fighting.

I don't need respect from anyone, nor do I seek it. Respect me as a human being and I'm fine with that.

Put a honest man in office and he will lie, put a lair in office and he will stay the same

Of all the liars in world, sometimes the worst are your own fears.

**claud3** · 10-27-2012

dude you still do not get it. Not only this time, but other times do

Not just the government of the states does this. Others countries do it to and that is fact

Look i am just stating that all countries governments do the same thing and the u.s.a is not alone in this fact

**F34R** · 10-27-2012

Media is out of this political... The time this took to unfold, they want people to know that help was an hour or two away from helping these guys that died.

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**Sub-stance1** · 10-27-2012

Originally Posted by F34R

Media is out of this political... The time this took to unfold, they want people to know that help was an hour or two away from helping these guys that died.

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Unfortunately, that isn't the case with our media. 99% of the time politics are involved. Especially right now since it's an election year.

**Soldier 95B** · 10-27-2012

Lol at the ARM chair politicians saying Obama didn't do anything. Like they were there. ROFLMAO SMFH.

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**F34R** · 10-27-2012

Originally Posted by Soldier 95B

Lol at the ARM chair politicians saying Obama didn't do anything. Like they were there. ROFLMAO SMFH.

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First, he did do something... sat on his fucking hands while the people died. No one said he didn't do anything ffs. What is being said is that he didn't do anything to support the people that he is supposed to. Yay for him. What a great job.

**Sub-stance1** · 10-27-2012

Originally Posted by F34R

First, he did do something... sat on his fucking hands while the people died. No one said he didn't do anything ffs. What is being said is that he didn't do anything to support the people that he is supposed to. Yay for him. What a great job.

Where are you getting this from? Is this coming from someone who has direct knowledge inside the oval office or is this coming from a certain media source? You make it sound like he just said "just let them die and we will deal with the aftermath" while it was going on. I do think the intel may of made some errors but you make it sound like he didn't care.

**F34R** · 10-27-2012

It's fact. He knew about the conflict, and didn't do shit with the support he had one hour away, and seven hours after it started, our people were dead. What more do you wanna know? How would you feel about this shit if those guys were from the 75th?

**Sub-stance1** · 10-28-2012

Originally Posted by F34R

It's fact. He knew about the conflict, and didn't do shit with the support he had one hour away, and seven hours after it started, our people were dead. What more do you wanna know?

How do you know that?

How would you feel about this shit if those guys were from the 75th?

I would feel the same way, but you are comparing apples to oranges. As far as I know,these people weren't in the military.

**DayWalker** · 10-28-2012

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/

regarding the current topic:
I think its funny that the military/government is still conducting an investigation... and somehow the conservative blogs already have the "ENTIRE STORY"... in fact they had it 6 hours after the attack occurred

the 2 incidents (a video protest and an organized terrorist attack) do not have to be mutually exclusive

**F34R** · 10-28-2012

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

How do you know that?

I would feel the same way, but you are comparing apples to oranges. As far as I know,these people weren't in the military.

It is a fact. That's how I know.

**Sub-stance1** · 10-28-2012

Originally Posted by F34R

It is a fact. That's how I know.

Where is the source of this fact? Isn't there still an ongoing investigation? How do you know he didn't do anything?

**F34R** · 10-28-2012

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

Where is the source of this fact? Isn't there still an ongoing investigation? How do you know he didn't do anything?

Fact source: Real world
ongoing inv: to find out who is responsible for the attack
never said he didn't do anything. You're taking things posted like candidates take opponents words.... I said "he didn't do anything", regarding to helping these people survive.

**Sub-stance1** · 10-28-2012

Originally Posted by F34R

Fact source: Real world

Who's real world? Who is the this real world source? Are you making this up?

ongoing inv: to find out who is responsible for the attack
never said he didn't do anything. You're taking things posted like candidates take opponents words.... I said "he didn't do anything", regarding to helping these people survive.

How do you know that? is that your opinion or or you know this for a fact? You keep saying "he didn't do anything". You keep talking like you know something that we don't. Did he refuse aid? Where are you going with with this. Are you saying they died and he is solely responsible because he "didn't do anything".

**F34R** · 10-28-2012

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

Who's real world? Who is the this real world source? Are you making this up?

How do you know that? is that your opinion or or you know this for a fact? You keep saying "he didn't do anything". You keep talking like you know something that we don't. Did he refuse aid? Where are you going with with this. Are you saying they died and he is solely responsible because he "didn't do anything".

There are 166 pages of documents from the State Department. Go find them, and read them. Just a heads up. The security team and Ambassador, all gave alert/alarms to their superiors in Washington. Start there sir. Good day. If you don't read them, don't freakin' reply with the "campaign" questions.

**Sub-stance1** · 10-28-2012

Originally Posted by F34R

There are 166 pages of documents from the State Department. Go find them, and read them. Just a heads up. The security team and Ambassador, all gave alert/alarms to their superiors in Washington. Start there sir. Good day. If you don't read them, don't freakin' reply with the "campaign" questions.

give me a link to the actual pages and I will read them. I don't think they have been released to the public. I will call bullocks since you can't provide the link.

**F34R** · 10-28-2012

Call it whatever you want.. that doesn't change the facts. If you want to refute the info, find it. Have a nice day.

**Vulgotha** · 10-28-2012

Here.

http://oversight.house.gov/wp-conten...ttachments.pdf

Apparently the ambassador was quite concerned and asked for increased security.

**Sub-stance1** · 10-28-2012

Originally Posted by F34R

Call it whatever you want.. that doesn't change the facts. If you want to refute the info, find it. Have a nice day.

What facts? I'm asking you where are you getting it from? If you are so sure, then give me the link or source you are getting it from. I just wanna see if it backs up what you said? I don't think it will.

Originally Posted by Vulgotha

Here.

http://oversight.house.gov/wp-conten...ttachments.pdf

Apparently the ambassador was quite concerned and asked for increased security.

Yea, we know that but it doesn't back up what he is claiming. That just has a list of security incidents. I wanna see the part that supports this:

He knew about the conflict, and didn't do shit with the support he had one hour away, and seven hours after it started, our people were dead.

**Morganator** · 10-28-2012

My question to all this is, why the fuck do we have Americans meddling in the internal affairs of other nations anyway? There is only one reason for why the ambassador to Libya would be concerned about security and why he and three others died. It's because they were meddling in the internal affairs of another nation. An act of espionage and war.

**Vulgotha** · 10-28-2012

Originally Posted by Morganator

My question to all this is, why the fuck do we have Americans meddling in the internal affairs of other nations anyway? There is only one reason for why the ambassador to Libya would be concerned about security and why he and three others died. It's because they were meddling in the internal affairs of another nation. An act of espionage and war.

In principle I agree with leaving the affairs of other nations to themselves. The issue becomes, though, what happens if the whole area goes to shit and oil gets cut off to the world? That's basically a worldwide economic meltdown. For everyone..

At the moment it just isn't pragmatic to yank everything out of the middle east and let it sort itself out. Not until we have alternative energy solutions ready.

It pains me to say that.

**Soldier 95B** · 10-28-2012

Originally Posted by F34R

First, he did do something... sat on his fucking hands while the people died. No one said he didn't do anything ffs. What is being said is that he didn't do anything to support the people that he is supposed to. Yay for him. What a great job.

You were in the Whitehouse when this happened?

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