General Politics Thread

[squirrelbo1]

Yeah he is left by your standards but its not socialism by any stretch of the imagination.

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[weskurtz81]

Yea, but you should be used to it by now. You've been scared for 4 years already.

One can never get used to an unknown quantity like uncle Joe.... he seems like the kind of guy that can just snap and lose it at any given moment. At least as the VP, we are fairly sheltered from him, but there's no telling what would happen if Obama were to let him off his leash.

[Ixion]

He has cut spending

He should cut it even more. The deficit is the top priority.

now he is saying he is ending the war in Afghanistan the same thing he said two years ago, and talk about pulling the troops out, which again he started it two years ago but now saying he wants to do it.

Are you upset that he's ending the war or upset that hasn't tried to end it until now?

In Wisconsin and looks like Illinois military votes overseas will not be counted because they sent them out late, two states Obama won.

I wouldn't say that's his fault.

[-Kwesnoth-]

He should cut it even more. The deficit is the top priority.

That doesn't seem like Obama's top priority, and now I doubt it will be any different. Cut stupid shit like the EPA.

[Ixion]

That doesn't seem like Obama's top priority

Which is why I didn't vote for him.

[-Kwesnoth-]

Which is why I didn't vote for him.

Good man.

[Sub-stance1]

One can never get used to an unknown quantity like uncle Joe.... he seems like the kind of guy that can just snap and lose it at any given moment. At least as the VP, we are fairly sheltered from him, but there's no telling what would happen if Obama were to let him off his leash.

Bullocks..Biden may say some off the wall stuff now and then but the guy is a solid VP. People tend to forget that Obama isn't running the country by himself. This guy is a very experienced with over 20 years of service and Obama chose the right guy. Or do you think he should of chosen someone like John Edwards?

Inexperienced people like Palin and Ryan as VP are much more scarier IMO.

[Soldier 95B]

Biden 2016! WOOT!

[Yuuichi]

He should cut it even more. The deficit is the top priority.



Are you upset that he's ending the war or upset that hasn't tried to end it until now?



I wouldn't say that's his fault.

That he hasn't until now, but he said he did two years ago so which is it? The spending can be cut in many many MANY other programs. Like why are my tax dollars paying for some girl to get an abortion? especially when it is multiple times?

[Ixion]

Like why are my tax dollars paying for some girl to get an abortion?

The amount of abortions will stay the same regardless if it's illegal or legal. There is no significant statistical difference.

So yes, you won't pay taxes for it if it's illegal, but abortions via the black market or the woman herself would mean endangering the health of women. The countries with the least amount of abortions of the ones where abortion is legal and proper contraception education is provided.

With a military that spends more than the next 10 countries combined, I think that's certainly an area that could use significant cuts.

[Yuuichi]

The amount of abortions will stay the same regardless if it's illegal or legal. There is no significant statistical difference.

So yes, you won't pay taxes for it if it's illegal, but abortions via the black market or the woman herself would mean endangering the health of women.

With a military that spends more than the next 10 countries combined, I think that's certainly an area that could use significant cuts.

Your misunderstanding my abortion stance. No way do I think it should be illegal because that will be harmful as people will take it into their own hands. But I think for things like planned parents hood, if the person wants an abortion they have to pay for it themselves. There is a person who has had 8 abortions in my local planned parent hood place. They should make abortions have an easy payment plan to fit anyone budget(because I fig the issue of price and people then doing it illegally will come up).

[Ixion]

Your misunderstanding my abortion stance. No way do I think it should be illegal because that will be harmful as people will take it into their own hands. But I think for things like planned parents hood, if the person wants an abortion they have to pay for it themselves. There is a person who has had 8 abortions in my local planned parent hood place. They should make abortions have an easy payment plan to fit anyone budget(because I fig the issue of price and people then doing it illegally will come up).

I see what you're saying. I'd have to look into Planned Parenthood more. My girlfriend swears by Planned Parenthood as something that needs to stay. She's a hardcore Obama supporter. lol

[Sub-stance1]

I see what you're saying. I'd have to look into Planned Parenthood more. More girlfriend swears by Planned Parenthood as something that needs to stay. She's a hardcore Obama supporter. lol

I don't think Planned Parenthood is ever going away. Crazy talk like that and about things like rape are reasons why the republicans will continue to lose ground and lose elections.

[Ixion]

I don't think Planned Parenthood is ever going away. Crazy talk like that and about things like rape are reasons why the republicans will continue to lose ground and lose elections.

I don't think the Republicans have much of a chance until they become more socially progressive, or at least take a Libertarian stance and leave social issues to the states.

Especially the politicians who base their social views on religion. I just don't think that resonates with the country nearly as much as it used to.

[Yuuichi]

I don't think Planned Parenthood is ever going away. Crazy talk like that and about things like rape are reasons why the republicans will continue to lose ground and lose elections.

I think in these time we need planned parenthood more than ever in the US(with the pop growing rapidly). Just the public funds for abortion is something I do not agree with.

Also there was something here in FL for a vote to stop the public fund and make it so minors need parental consent to get an abortion. It failed but I am more shocked minors do not need parental consent for abortion. But that's all an entire thing for another thread.

[Sub-stance1]

I don't think the Republicans have much of a chance until they become more socially progressive, or at least take a Libertarian stance and leave social issues to the states.

Especially the politicians who base their social views on religion. I just don't think that resonates with the country nearly as much as it used to.

What they need to do is get some balls and stand up to the things that are driving people away from their party and voting for them. Give people a reason to vote for them and not against someone else.

[squirrelbo1]

Minors don't need parental consent because that would violate the Dr patient confidentiality. It could get pretty tough for a young girl if she had to tell her parents that not only was she having sex, it was unprotected and now she's pregnant. Especially if she was from a family that held very strong beliefs about that subject or was a member of a more extreme sect of a religion.

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[MacP]

Obama won that is good news, very good news! Did anybody see Donald Trumps tweets? I hate that bloke he is such a douche.

[Morganator]

I have stated on more than one occasion that Paul's biggest problem is the republican party. You were just caught up in all the Ron Paulness to notice.You don't have to believe it but it's true. As far as as Democrats disregarding him. Can you blame them. The guy was never a threat to them because of the reason I gave already.(they knew he would never get anywhere because he wasn't extreme enough)

You just don't get it. Not only that but you're STILL being WILLFULLY IGNORANT. Paul's problem isn't so much the party but it's leaders. He was THE threat to the establishment. His policies would have rendered both GOP and Democrats powerless. I shit you not. He wasn't disregarded because he wasn't a threat. He was disregarded because he was THE threat. Your failure to not acknowledge him and his policies is proof that you're willfully ignorant. Let me ask you some questions and do try and be honest about your answers as you are now officially on notice of losing all your credibility on these forums.

What segment of the population does a non-interventionist policy hurt the most?
What segment of the population does a minimally regulated economy hurt the most?
What segment of the population does a minimally maintained government hurt the most?
What segment of the population does the abolition of the FED hurt the most?
What segment of the population does the abolition of the IRS hurt the most?
What segment of the population does the repeal of the Patriot Act, NDAA, (National Defense Authorization Act) CISPA, (Cyber Intelligence Security & Protection Act) ACA, (Affordable Care Act) Homeland Security, Education Department, Commerce Department, EPA, (Environmental Protection Agency) and the list goes on hurt the most?

I know why paul didn't get elected and never will. You need to get over the fact that not enough people care. You see how that Paul thread you created turned out right? Its time for you to get over it.

Honestly. When you post garbage like this, it only serves to give credence of your partisanship. Ad-hominem attacks and red herrings don't work with me so please, for the sanity of everyone else in this thread, quit posting tripe.

[Silver_Knight]

I seen this and thought of this thread. I bet Obama is feeling this right now.

[Yuuichi]

Minors don't need parental consent because that would violate the Dr patient confidentiality. It could get pretty tough for a young girl if she had to tell her parents that not only was she having sex, it was unprotected and now she's pregnant. Especially if she was from a family that held very strong beliefs about that subject or was a member of a more extreme sect of a religion.

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But don't they need parents permission to go on birth control before the legal age?

[Rekmon]

Your misunderstanding my abortion stance. No way do I think it should be illegal because that will be harmful as people will take it into their own hands. But I think for things like planned parents hood, if the person wants an abortion they have to pay for it themselves. There is a person who has had 8 abortions in my local planned parent hood place. They should make abortions have an easy payment plan to fit anyone budget(because I fig the issue of price and people then doing it illegally will come up).

There will always be a few people who abuse the system improperly. But on the whole PP provides a lot more than a place a baby roto-rooterd out.

The only way to lessen things like this is to educate people, just like anything else. They try to do that...hence the name of the place.

[Sub-stance1]

You just don't get it. Not only that but you're STILL being WILLFULLY IGNORANT. Paul's problem isn't so much the party but it's leaders. He was THE threat to the establishment. His policies would have rendered both GOP and Democrats powerless. I shit you not. He wasn't disregarded because he wasn't a threat. He was disregarded because he was THE threat. Your failure to not acknowledge him and his policies is proof that you're willfully ignorant. Let me ask you some questions and do try and be honest about your answers as you are now officially on notice of losing all your credibility on these forums.

What segment of the population does a non-interventionist policy hurt the most?
What segment of the population does a minimally regulated economy hurt the most?
What segment of the population does a minimally maintained government hurt the most?
What segment of the population does the abolition of the FED hurt the most?
What segment of the population does the abolition of the IRS hurt the most?
What segment of the population does the repeal of the Patriot Act, NDAA, (National Defense Authorization Act) CISPA, (Cyber Intelligence Security & Protection Act) ACA, (Affordable Care Act) Homeland Security, Education Department, Commerce Department, EPA, (Environmental Protection Agency) and the list goes on hurt the most?




Honestly. When you post garbage like this, it only serves to give credence of your partisanship. Ad-hominem attacks and red herrings don't work with me so please, for the sanity of everyone else in this thread, quit posting tripe.

Dude, Ron Paul is intelligent but still a little kooky. Even his own party see him that way. The guy is just not electable. He can say one thing and make sense, then turn around and say some weird shit. He would never stand a chance in a general election. If Obama clobbered an intelligent electable guy like Romney just imagine what he would do to a candidate like Paul.....that's if he can ever convince republicans he can lead the party. I don't see it happening. I know supporters of his hate that reality, but there is no way our nation will select him to man our highest post.

[Morganator]

Dude, Ron Paul is intelligent but still a little kooky. Even his own party see him that way. The guy is just not electable. He can say one thing and make sense, then turn around and say some weird shit. He would never stand a chance in a general election. If Obama clobbered an intelligent electable guy like Romney just imagine what he would do to a candidate like Paul.....that's if he can ever convince republicans he can lead the party. I don't see it happening. I know supporters of his hate that reality, but there is no way our nation will select him to man our highest post.

So... no refutations? No rebuttals? No intelligible response?

K. Suit yourself.

[DayWalker]

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gonna go ahead a quote you before you get banned a few people in this thread should listen to this a few times. (although I'm not sure how the deficit is shrinking... perhaps projected?)

Nate Silver is the man!

So... no refutations? No rebuttals? No intelligible response?

K. Suit yourself.

RP has an interesting platform, but he is the wrong candidate to carry it forward.

And as Substance said- the GOP will NEVER EVER EVER nominate him.