General Politics Thread

**Sub-stance1** · 01-23-2013

Originally Posted by Chickenooble

I would have expected them all to be stupid, not cool. After all, they did support this abhorrent man after an abysmal first term, and elected him to fuck even more things up for the next four years.

"Birds of a feather..."

I don't now. I wasn't there to ask people who they voted for. If his first term was as abysmal as some of you claim, then Romney would of been the man speaking on that stage. The American people chose him and I can live with that. Time to move on, from all this demonizing and just repeating things you have heard. I'm 100% sure people from all parties were there. It wasn't just a democratic event.

**MATRIX 2** · 01-23-2013

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

I don't now. I wasn't there to ask people who they voted for. If his first term was as abysmal as some of you claim, then Romney would of been the man speaking on that stage. The American people chose him and I can live with that. Time to move on, from all this demonizing and just repeating things you have heard. I'm 100% sure people from all parties were there. It wasn't just a democratic event.

You could say the same thing about Bush II.

Fact is the people have a poor voting record (presidential in this case) over the past 12 years.

**Yuuichi** · 01-23-2013

Originally Posted by MATRIX 2

You could say the same thing about Bush II.

Fact is the people have a poor voting record (presidential in this case) over the past 12 years.

I agree. People complained about how bad Bush was but he won re election now same thing with Obama. Makes you wonder if everyone complaining is actually voting or just complaining.

**Sub-stance1** · 01-23-2013

Originally Posted by MATRIX 2

You could say the same thing about Bush II.

Fact is the people have a poor voting record (presidential in this case) over the past 12 years.

Maybe, maybe not. I didn't attend to discuss voting records. It was the historical part of it that I was interested in. I can assure you Bush never crossed my mind one time during the whole thing.

**Morganator** · 01-23-2013

Originally Posted by MATRIX 2

You could say the same thing about Bush II.

Fact is the people have an abysmally piss poor voting record (presidential in this case) over the past 12 years.

Had to to fix it for you. The last three elections have been choices between a hot shit sandwich and hot puke soup. Both are unpleasant choices.

**Chickenooble** · 01-23-2013

Originally Posted by Morganator

Had to to fix it for you. The last three elections have been choices between a hot shit sandwich and hot puke soup. Both are unpleasant choices.

A friend of mine asked why I was voting for Romney and not Obama, so I had to use this analogy.

There are two toilets. One we've opened every day for the last four years and found a massive turd staring us in the face... the other, we haven't opened yet. Could the unopened toilet have a turd? Maybe, maybe not. Either way, if I need to drink toilet water, I'm taking my chances with the toilet that might not have a turd.

**Sub-stance1** · 01-23-2013

Originally Posted by Morganator

Had to to fix it for you. The last three elections have been choices between a hot shit sandwich and hot puke soup. Both are unpleasant choices.

Nah, I think some people think that way when when their choice is the loser. Take away the historical sides of the last elections and they were no different than any other.(maybe not as much demonizing) Some democrats think republicans are "shit sandwich and hot puke soup" and vice versa. Same with Libertarians. You want your guy to win and when he doesn't people lash out at the other side.

Originally Posted by Chickenooble

A friend of mine asked why I was voting for Romney and not Obama, so I had to use this analogy.

There are two toilets. One we've opened every day for the last four years and found a massive turd staring us in the face... the other, we haven't opened yet. Could the unopened toilet have a turd? Maybe, maybe not. Either way, if I need to drink toilet water, I'm taking my chances with the toilet that might not have a turd.

So you basically just voted for Romney because you don't like Obama. That's not surprising, but here is some advice. Next time you use shit you should go by the smell and you and won't have to worry about opening anything up. You basically chose a turd because you ignored the smell.

**DayWalker** · 01-24-2013

Lmao! ^^^^

**Chickenooble** · 01-24-2013

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

So you basically just voted for Romney because you don't like Obama. That's not surprising, but here is some advice.

It was a statistical fact that either Obama or Romney were going to be elected President in the last election. While I would've liked to make a 'principal vote' for Gary Johnson, I couldn't do it because I realized he had zero possibility of winning the election.

Since Obama spent the first four years of his Presidency being an absolute failure on almost all fronts, I couldn't, in good conscience, have voted for him. So yes, I did vote for the shiniest of two turds. I didn't like all of Romney's ideas (especially on social issues), but he had more redeeming qualities that Obama.

**Sub-stance1** · 01-24-2013

Originally Posted by Chickenooble

It was a statistical fact that either Obama or Romney were going to be elected President in the last election. While I would've liked to make a 'principal vote' for Gary Johnson, I couldn't do it because I realized he had zero possibility of winning the election.

Romney didn't either. You fell into the same hype that most did.

Since Obama spent the first four years of his Presidency being an absolute failure on almost all fronts, I couldn't, in good conscience, have voted for him. So yes, I did vote for the shiniest of two turds. I didn't like all of Romney's ideas (especially on social issues), but he had more redeeming qualities that Obama.

yea, but if he had those qualities they never showed up. He turned out to be a puppet for the extremist in his party. I call that being a follower. The sad part is that they never really liked him. All that demonizing came back to bite him and the party in the ass. Give people a reason to vote for you instead of trying to persuade them not to vote for the other. Now look how fast republicans have kicked Romney to the curb. They really look pretty silly right now. 10 or 20 years from now when people look back, Obama probably won't be seen as a failure. Definitely not a failure on all front like you claim.

**MATRIX 2** · 01-24-2013

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

Romney didn't either. You fell into the same hype that most did.

yea, but if he had those qualities they never showed up. He turned out to be a puppet for the extremist in his party. I call that being a follower. The sad part is that they never really liked him. All that demonizing came back to bite him and the party in the ass. Give people a reason to vote for you instead of trying to persuade them not to vote for the other. Now look how fast republicans have kicked Romney to the curb. They really look pretty silly right now. 10 or 20 years from now when people look back, Obama probably won't be seen as a failure. Definitely not a failure on all front like you claim.

Sure, just like Bush II right?

**Ixion** · 01-24-2013

Obama will be looked back upon positively simply because he was the first black president. He's the Jackie Robinson of presidents, except he's not performing nearly as well as Jackie Robinson did. lol

**Sub-stance1** · 01-24-2013

Originally Posted by MATRIX 2

Sure, just like Bush II right?

Bush has his legacy. He still remains as one of the most unpopular presidents we have had. He did some good things but the bad just overshadow them. They were his decisions and now he has to live with them.

Obama will be looked back upon positively simply because he was the first black president. He's the Jackie Robinson of presidents, except he's not performing nearly as well as Jackie Robinson did. lol

Not by everyone. Some people see him as the president who happens to be black. As far as his performance goes, the polls say he is performing quite well. I think he is at the highest he has been in a long time. Not many reasons he should be holding his head down.

**-Kwesnoth-** · 01-24-2013

Food for thought.

**Sub-stance1** · 01-24-2013

Originally Posted by -Kwesnoth-

Food for thought.

Oh here we go again. Now Obama wants to take people's guns.

**Yuuichi** · 01-24-2013

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

Oh here we go again. Now Obama wants to take people's guns.

Where did he ever say that? YOU brought it up.

**Sub-stance1** · 01-24-2013

Originally Posted by Yuuichi

Where did he ever say that? YOU brought it up.

Don't really have to. It's pretty obvious.

**Yuuichi** · 01-24-2013

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

Don't really have to. It's pretty obvious.

How is it obvious? How are you so sure it is directed at him and not the hundred of other people who want to ban guns, or the others on forums who want to ban guns? Paranoia has got you.

**Sub-stance1** · 01-24-2013

Originally Posted by Yuuichi

How is it obvious? How are you so sure it is directed at him and not the hundred of other people who want to ban guns, or the others on forums who want to ban guns? Paranoia has got you.

Nope..it's just good ole kwesnoth being himself. He is free to explain himself but i'm 99% sure i'm dead on. Iv'e been away for a bit but i don't forget that easily.

**Yuuichi** · 01-24-2013

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

Nope..it's just good ole kwesnoth being himself. He is free to explain himself but i'm 99% sure i'm dead on. Iv'e been away for a bit but i don't forget that easily.

moving on,

what do you think about Obama gun changes? 10 clip max, ban assault rifles? I mean these people commiting crimes are still breaking the law so they will get what they want regardless of laws. look at drugs and how long they been outlaw yet I can walk outside, drive a mile, and buy some crack, weed, whatever I want(I dont because I plan to get a gov job so an arrest would hurt lol). Not to mention many of these are already in circulation and people buying them faster than ever with this current threat. Are Obama purpose changes right or just a band aid on a bigger problem which is mentally unstable people not getting help they need?(note i know gov is not 100% responsable for this but parents are. but fact is it is easier to buy a gun than get health care)

**-Kwesnoth-** · 01-25-2013

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

Oh here we go again. Now Obama wants to take people's guns.

Here we go again? Its a politics thread Sub, not a "Lick Obama's ass" thread, but I'm sure you would be first in line.

Who else has the power to change anything? If Obama didn't want to, then it wouldn't be happening.

**Sub-stance1** · 01-25-2013

The ban doesn't bother me at all. Of course it won't stop all events like the latest but i don't think it was the intention. We need more responsible gun ownership in this country, and assault weapons like the one used in Newtown have no business being used outside of Military and other law enforcement. It's probably the right thing to do and this is not about Obama. It's much bigger than him.

Originally Posted by -Kwesnoth-

Here we go again? Its a politics thread Sub, not a "Lick Obama's ass" thread, but I'm sure you would be first in line.

Who else has the power to change anything? If Obama didn't want to, then it wouldn't be happening.

I rest my case Yuuici....

**MATRIX 2** · 01-25-2013

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

The ban doesn't bother me at all. Of course it won't stop all events like the latest but i don't think it was the intention. We need more responsible gun ownership in this country, and assault weapons like the one used in Newtown have no business being used outside of Military and other law enforcement. It's probably the right thing to do and this is not about Obama. It's much bigger than him.

Congratulations, Ranger. You just went full retard.

So much for that oath you took to support and defend the constitution.

**-Kwesnoth-** · 01-25-2013

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

I rest my case Yuuici....

Good response, really proved a lot.

**Sub-stance1** · 01-25-2013

Originally Posted by MATRIX 2

Congratulations, Ranger. You just went full retard.

So much for that oath you took to support and defend the constitution.

lol...setting limits on certain type of weapons and more background checks isn't infringing on anyone's rights. I guess people should be able to walk around carrying grenade launchers, .50 cal machine guns, stinger missiles too right...lol