General Politics Thread

**F34R** · 03-13-2013

Ugh, our government has become something to not desire. They are wanting to deport a family that came here legally, political asylum, yet release illegal aliens that have committed crimes, and they get a free ride with housing, food, college... ffs.

**DayWalker** · 03-13-2013

Originally Posted by F34R

Ugh, our government has become something to not desire. They are wanting to deport a family that came here legally, political asylum, yet release illegal aliens that have committed crimes, and they get a free ride with housing, food, college... ffs.

has become?

whatever its March = NFL Free agency, March Madness, St. Patty's

**weskurtz81** · 03-13-2013

Oh, what do you know, Chuck Hagel was confirmed a few weeks ago. The day of his confirmation came and went without even being noticed.... much like I anticipated.

**Vulgotha** · 03-14-2013

Originally Posted by weskurtz81

Oh, what do you know, Chuck Hagel was confirmed a few weeks ago. The day of his confirmation came and went without even being noticed.... much like I anticipated.

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**weskurtz81** · 03-14-2013

Originally Posted by Vulgotha

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Referencing back to people whining and complaining about the "filibuster" threat during the first confirmation attempt. Some in here were up in arms about the whole ordeal, I said "Who cares? He will be confirmed in a few weeks"... and he was.

Here's an ACTUAL Filibuster, Rand Paul, and here's Jon Stewart's take.

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**Morganator** · 03-14-2013

Originally Posted by weskurtz81

Referencing back to people whining and complaining about the "filibuster" threat during the first confirmation attempt. Some in here were up in arms about the whole ordeal, I said "Who cares? He will be confirmed in a few weeks"... and he was.

Here's an ACTUAL Filibuster, Rand Paul, and here's Jon Stewart's take.

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I thought Rand Paul's filibuster was in regards to the administration's okaying the use of drones on Americans in American airspace? To be honest with you, it's one of a very few times, filibustering was not only a good idea but imperative to the safety and well-being of Americans.

**Vulgotha** · 03-14-2013

Rand Paul earned hero status from me for that stunt. Some of his quotes during the filibuster are epic. Props to the Wyoming Democrat for standing with him.

**weskurtz81** · 03-14-2013

Originally Posted by Morganator

I thought Rand Paul's filibuster was in regards to the administration's okaying the use of drones on Americans in American airspace? To be honest with you, it's one of a very few times, filibustering was not only a good idea but imperative to the safety and well-being of Americans.

I was referring to two different events.

**F34R** · 03-14-2013

What's funny is that the "administration" thinks its ok to eliminate American citizens if they are a "potential" threat, and without due process; but they are giving Osama bin's brother in law due process in America. wtf.

**Morganator** · 03-15-2013

Originally Posted by weskurtz81

I was referring to two different events.

Okay. Thanks for the heads up.

Originally Posted by Vulgotha

Rand Paul earned hero status from me for that stunt. Some of his quotes during the filibuster are epic. Props to the Wyoming Democrat for standing with him.

He certainly EARNED my respect for standing up for the American people and the way he did it. Believe you and me. It's hard for any politician to gain my respect.

**weskurtz81** · 03-16-2013

Originally Posted by Morganator

Okay. Thanks for the heads up.

As far as Hagel is concerned, it may have been the first time a nomination for that specific cabinet position was threatened (they didn't filibuster, it was just a threat), but not the first time for a member of the cabinet.

And, to be honest, if they are trying to get answers to something and they don't think they are getting cooperation... if you slow down a nomination for a week or two to make life a LITTLE difficult.... who cares? What negative impact did it have on anything other than pissing some people off?

**Morganator** · 03-18-2013

Originally Posted by weskurtz81

As far as Hagel is concerned, it may have been the first time a nomination for that specific cabinet position was threatened (they didn't filibuster, it was just a threat), but not the first time for a member of the cabinet.

And, to be honest, if they are trying to get answers to something and they don't think they are getting cooperation... if you slow down a nomination for a week or two to make life a LITTLE difficult.... who cares? What negative impact did it have on anything other than pissing some people off?

The whole matter with Chuck Hagel was nothing more than political grandstanding. I never saw his appointment in jeopardy in the least.

**Sub-stance1** · 03-19-2013

Originally Posted by Morganator

The whole matter with Chuck Hagel was nothing more than political grandstanding. I never saw his appointment in jeopardy in the least.

They were only doing it because they can. John Mccain made it perfectly clear why he was doing it. We all know he was gonna be appointed. Don't believe the hype of those claiming that anyone here thought his appointment was in jeopardy because none ever said that.

McCain Says He’s Opposing Hagel Because Hagel Was Mean To Bush

McCAIN: But to be honest with you, Neil, it goes back to there’s a lot of ill will towards Senator Hagel because when he was a Republican, he attacked President Bush mercilessly and say he was the worst President since Herbert Hoover and said the surge was the worst blunder since the Vietnam War, which was nonsense. He was anti-his own party and people — people don’t forget that. You can disagree but if you’re disagreeable, then people don’t forget that.

**Morganator** · 03-19-2013

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

They were only doing it because they can. John Mccain made it perfectly clear why he was doing it. We all know he was gonna be appointed. Don't believe the hype of those claiming that anyone here thought his appointment was in jeopardy because none ever said that.

Exactly. And I know no one ever said anything to the effect, hence the comment.

**weskurtz81** · 03-19-2013

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

They were only doing it because they can. John Mccain made it perfectly clear why he was doing it. We all know he was gonna be appointed. Don't believe the hype of those claiming that anyone here thought his appointment was in jeopardy because none ever said that.

Do me a favor bud, find and quote a post in this forum that accused the whiners of thinking/saying his "appointment was in jeopardy". It's pretty simple, no matter why he didn't get confirmed the first go around, it doesn't matter.... what harm did it cause to wait a couple weeks? None what so ever... so why does it matter that he didn't get confirmed the first time other than principle? No one thought his appointment was in jeopardy, that's why I don't understand why anyone cared to begin with!

It wasn't just McCain that opposed Hagel's first confirmation, so I wouldn't take some quote from him as speaking for all that initially opposed his confirmation.

**Sub-stance1** · 03-19-2013

Originally Posted by weskurtz81

Do me a favor bud, find and quote a post in this forum that accused the whiners of thinking/saying his "appointment was in jeopardy".

The lurker returns....lol I guess you can't help but to respond to my post....

Do yourself a favor and find any post where members were whining about it. Only one whining seem to be you. Get a grip dude. Morganator only said what everybody knows. They were playing politics simply because they can and it was personal for Mccain. Wake up dude. Don't get lost in the sauce. Maybe you should give that party some advice on how to win elections.

It wasn't just McCain that opposed Hagel's first confirmation, so I wouldn't take some quote from him as speaking for all that initially opposed his confirmation.

And who said he was the only one opposed? Birds of a feather flock together. We all know those stuff old men in the party hate anything that comes from Obama. I say they should keep it up if they want their approval rating to to continue to drop. I don't really expect anything else from the "stupid party".

**weskurtz81** · 03-19-2013

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

The lurker returns....lol I guess you can't help but to respond to my post....

Lurker? You and I posted back and forth on this topic a few pages ago....

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

Do yourself a favor and find any post where members were whining about it.

Well, your post that BROUGHT THE SUBJECT UP looked like whining to me.... but then again it may just be who you are.

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

Morganator only said what everybody knows. They were playing politics simply because they can and it was personal for Mccain. Wake up dude. Don't get lost in the sauce. Maybe you should give that party some advice on how to win elections.

You take one little clip from McCain as the basis for your entire argument. It could be that the rest who were initially blocking it believed what he did, but it could also be the reasoning they gave as well. Still, why does it matter? What impact did it have? None!

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

And who said he was the only one opposed?

Considering his comment is the basis for your entire argument while other Senators have stated other reasons, it's easy to believe you aren't aware of what others have said.

**Sub-stance1** · 03-19-2013

Originally Posted by weskurtz81

Lurker? You and I posted back and forth on this topic a few pages ago....

Back and forth? I don't think so. It's not that serious. You are the one who was still harping and continue to bring it up. You proved nothing. No one said he wasn't gonna get confirmed and no one was whining about it. It just the GOP being there normal bitter selves because they lost the election and hate Obama.

Well, your post that BROUGHT THE SUBJECT UP looked like whining to me.... but then again it may just be who you are.

If bringing something up means whining then we all are whiners. That includes you too buddy...

You take one little clip from McCain as the basis for your entire argument. It could be that the rest who were initially blocking it believed what he did, but it could also be the reasoning they gave as well. Still, why does it matter? What impact did it have? None!

What entire argument? I said it was more personal than anything else and I proved it with Mccain's statement. That's wasn't hard to understand for everyone else. What impact did it have? None, which makes it more ridiculous that it even happened. The egg are on their faces and I think it's funny how they are struggling right now.

Considering his comment is the basis for your entire argument while other Senators have stated other reasons, it's easy to believe you aren't aware of what others have said.

What argument? You're confused. I don't care what the others reasons were. I said they were blocking him because of personal politics. That was the reason. This is the GOP we are talking about here. They suck. They lose elections and still play the game. My, how the mighty have fallen. Back to the drawing board I guess.