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    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    I guess that means you don't have a chance, just like the rest of us civilians. I think we can fight back just fine though.
    Wouldn't be a fight. Whoever controls everything wins and guess who that is? Once certain basic needs are cut off it's over. Of course this would never happen because the gov would never do that but it still won't stop people from being scared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    Wouldn't be a fight. Whoever controls everything wins and guess who that is? Once certain basic needs are cut off it's over. Of course this would never happen because the gov would never do that but it still won't stop people from being scared.
    You know, even the most powerful dictators can't stop the people when they rise up against the powers that be (usually).
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    Quote Originally Posted by weskurtz81 View Post
    You know, even the most powerful dictators can't stop the people when they rise up against the powers that be (usually).
    lol...so much for you not responding to my post. If that's he way that you feel then go ahead and find as many people as you can to join a uprising and see what happens. It's all talk. People in this country won't do it simply because they know the inevitable outcome. No one wants to take away guns or anything else. If they wanted your guns or anything else it would of been done a long time ago.



    It's so funny how some people in this country are so anti gov until disaster strikes or something else happens and they need it's help. It's also hilarious that some of these anti gov people actually work for the gov.....lol
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    To those who're saying that the government isn't or won't turn on the people. Explain the following.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/20...y-2511344.html

    How do you explain this? You can't? Of course you can't as there is no explaining this away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morganator View Post
    To those who're saying that the government isn't or won't turn on the people. Explain the following.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/20...y-2511344.html

    How do you explain this? You can't? Of course you can't as there is no explaining this away.

    Martial law..lol... No, but seriously how do you explain all those people in the street cheering for police when this guy was caught.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    It's so funny how some people in this country are so anti gov until disaster strikes or something else happens and they need it's help. It's also hilarious that some of these anti gov people actually work for the gov.....lol
    It actually more hilarious that u don't understand where the government get all the money to fund it military and weaponry. FYI when a disaster strike we don't "need" the government help because it their job to help regardless since we are the one paying their salary. Don't bite the hands that feed u.

    if half of the country stop paying taxes u can kiss ur apache chopper good bye or sell it to china. So ur right, if there is a rebellion it would be over very quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulgotha View Post
    3D Printed weaponry will undoubtedly inspire paranoid terror to the soccer moms controlling our national political narrative. I applaud the idea, but I wouldn't 3D print a weapon, not for a long time.

    The technology just isn't there to make anything sturdy or highly usable.
    It's not there yet, but give it a few more years. As far as I'm aware it's currently just the barrel that's proving to be the main issue, which wears out too quickly. A lot of 3D printed guns are a mix of metal and plastic still. However, eventually the materials one can buy on the public market will produce plastics which are more durable than metal weapons.

    Mostly, this raises a few thoughts though:

    1) Metal detectors failing to pickup printed weapons. (Though getting in bullets would be an issue still)
    2) Despite anti-gun fallacy arguments, a legitimate concern would be gangs printing high-powered weapons they otherwise wouldn't have the funds or access to get.
    3) Do you see, say, a few decades from now, armies (not necessarily ours) or rebel groups using printed weapons since they're accessible and affordable?

    I bring this up because 3D printing is going to change things a lot, in many areas of our lives and how society works. But printed weapons are particularly important for its potential repercussions.

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    While the idea is cool, there is no way in hell I'd use a 3d printed gun over a real metal gun. lol
    I don't think any fan of guns would, but it'll probably become more of a side option thing. One day you'll be capable of walking into your room, downloading a 16kb schematic from a website, set the printer, sleep, and wake up to a new weapon to play with. Melt it down later and reuse the plastic, or paint it if you want to make it look less like a kid's toy. It's cheap and it works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reasonable_doubt View Post
    It actually more hilarious that u don't understand where the government get all the money to fund it military and weaponry. FYI when a disaster strike we don't "need" the government help because it their job to help regardless since we are the one paying their salary. Don't bite the hands that feed u.
    It's even more hilarious u forget how they do it....lol Yes it's the government job to do those things and it has nothing to do with salary.

    if half of the country stop paying taxes u can kiss ur apache chopper good bye or sell it to china. So ur right, if there is a rebellion it would be over very quickly.
    I'll call your buff on that one even though it's not possible. Wesley Snipes thought that too. Like i said before, it's a no win situation. Yes we pay taxes but they are taken.
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    If there actually was a rebellion, like when/if Obama does something that would upset the population to the point of rebellious actions, the standing military in America would be overrun quite fast. There are what? Over 100 million gun owners in America? If they all actually stood up and fought, the government would not be able to stand against so many. They may have heavy weaponry, but what if retired military, green berats, SEALs, and the such joined against the military, we would be in possession of the heavy stuff as fast as we could get to it.

    Also, if something that heinous ever happened, whos to say that the military soldiers wouldn't just turn and join the rebellion. Of course they would be court martialled for such an action, but it might get to the point where that doesn't even matter.

    But again, this is an absolute situation. It would have to be something so over the top. Otherwise, the people just wouldn't do anything at all.

    Plus, unlike most situations, nukes would be useless as they would not bomb their own country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Kwesnoth- View Post
    If there actually was a rebellion, like when/if Obama does something that would upset the population to the point of rebellious actions, the standing military in America would be overrun quite fast. There are what? Over 100 million gun owners in America? If they all actually stood up and fought, the government would not be able to stand against so many. They may have heavy weaponry, but what if retired military, green berats, SEALs, and the such joined against the military, we would be in possession of the heavy stuff as fast as we could get to it.
    You mean those trained by the government....lol It won't happen because they know first hand what they are up against. Those guys are only bad asses when they have the support of the gov. And what is this access you are talking about? Maybe knowledge but that's it. Even trained spec ops have their limits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Kwesnoth- View Post



    The hell is that ?? lol that doesnt even look like a gun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    You mean those trained by the government....lol It won't happen because they know first hand what they are up against. Those guys are only bad asses when they have the support of the gov. And what is this access you are talking about? Maybe knowledge but that's it. Even trained spec ops have their limits.
    Not all the time. Like I said, it would have to be something that would jeopardize the safety of the population.
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    Discussing rebellions scenarios is tricky because there's a huge difference between a government just outright deciding to control/imprison/harm its people and a civil war where each side feels they're in the right.

    Like Rapture said, the most likely scenario is one where our government slowly takes away our freedoms to a breaking point, where a large sect of the population becomes fed up and rebels. The military would likely defend the government in such a case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Kwesnoth- View Post
    Not all the time. Like I said, it would have to be something that would jeopardize the safety of the population.
    Being well trained and well equipped is two different thing. You need both which is why our military is the best in the world.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    Discussing rebellions scenarios is tricky because there's a huge difference between a government just outright deciding to control/imprison/harm its people and a civil war where each side feels they're in the right.

    Like Rapture said, the most likely scenario is one where our government slowly takes away our freedoms to a breaking point, where a large sect of the population becomes fed up and rebels. The military would likely defend the government in such a case.
    But that what's makes this all so silly. People talk about the gov like they are some sort of alien invaders who run the country, when in reality the government is really the people. There is nothing to fear but the conspiracies will never end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    Government is the #1 cause of death over the last century. It's not exactly outrageous to want a deterrent against that, even if we live in a republic.

    Obviously you're not against the second amendment, so I'm not referring to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    Government is only as good as the people who run it. It doesn't run itself. For every crappy thing that comes from government there are people behind it.
    Yeah, that's politicians.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    Martial law..lol... No, but seriously how do you explain all those people in the street cheering for police when this guy was caught.




    oooooooh, the big bad government.






    Yeah. Infallible government. Right? You're cheering for your enslavement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morganator View Post






    Yeah. Infallible government. Right? You're cheering for your enslavement.
    lol...stop that madness dude. What was the outcome? It's better to inconvenience people than to have more casualties. The police did what they though was right and it was the right call.... and it wasn't martial law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    lol...stop that madness dude. What was the outcome? It's better to inconvenience people than to have more casualties. The police did what they though was right and it was the right call.... and it wasn't martial law.
    Was the city on lockdown?

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...rch-90364.html Check!

    Was the military deployed to the city?

    http://www.thedailysheeple.com/real-...eospics_042013 Check!

    These two things combined with my other posts proves me right. Now admit you're wrong for a change. You would gladly give up your rights for security? Guess what? You have neither because you deserve neither. This isn't madness. This is reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morganator View Post
    Was the city on lockdown?

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...rch-90364.html Check!

    Was the military deployed to the city?

    http://www.thedailysheeple.com/real-...eospics_042013 Check!

    These two things combined with my other posts proves me right. Now admit you're wrong for a change. You would gladly give up your rights for security? Guess what? You have neither because you deserve neither. This isn't madness. This is reality.
    Plain and simple this was not martial law. Maybe a state of emergency or lockdown, but far from martial law. Big difference. There was no military rule and federal and local law enforcement were always in charge. I think you are trying (just like some of those gov conspiracy theorist out there) to make this into some gov control thing. It wasn't nothing like that, and your post don't really prove anything other than what the whole country was seeing with their own eyes. Posting personal videos from someone filming police doing their jobs is far from what you are trying to insinuate. There has been no martial law in this country for a long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    Gimme an idea of what kind of regulation laws that you think would help.
    Restrict the amount of bullets and ammo. A normal citizen doesn't need a whole bunch of ammo.

    A guy walks into a movie theater and shoots 50 people. If you decrease the amount of ammo and clips, he wouldn't be able to do that much damage. If you even make it to where the gun doesn't reload really fast, then someone can tackle him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Wolf View Post
    Restrict the amount of bullets and ammo. A normal citizen doesn't need a whole bunch of ammo.

    A guy walks into a movie theater and shoots 50 people. If you decrease the amount of ammo and clips, he wouldn't be able to do that much damage. If you even make it to where the gun doesn't reload really fast, then someone can tackle him.
    What was to stop the guy from buying clips from someone on the street(because there are millions of high capacity clips already circulating), and him having someone else buy him ammo or buy from a guy on the streets? What is to stop someone from modifying a gun to reload faster? You do not think he reloaded during the shooting? He most certainly did but it was panic mode and no one was going to tackle him and it is rediculous to think it would have happened. Btw when I say streets I do not mean that literally but a general term for streets/friends/relative etc.


    Now let me ask you this, why was there no one there with a gun to shoot the guy back? If someone was there with a gun they could have fired back, bulletproof stuff may save you life but you feel the impact unless he had an ironman suit on. Better yet we always hear about how "bad" cops are, why did the officer who caught the guy not shoot him in the head and say he resisted? There is no court on the face on the earth that would ever convict the cop if he had done that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Wolf View Post
    Restrict the amount of bullets and ammo. A normal citizen doesn't need a whole bunch of ammo.

    A guy walks into a movie theater and shoots 50 people. If you decrease the amount of ammo and clips, he wouldn't be able to do that much damage. If you even make it to where the gun doesn't reload really fast, then someone can tackle him.
    According to who? You?

    On what basis?


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