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We have problem, but we can solve them if we choose to. Sure you can just sit back and complain but that isn't going to accomplish anything. It takes action and effort to fix our problems. Something I'm willing to do and am actively working towards. I'm not just going to sit and watch everything go to hell. I'm going to fight to fix our problems and make this country unquestionably great once again.
I'm working to make changes in the system, since that is the only way to have a real meaningful change for the better. Some people are also trying to do the same, but only for the purposes of their agenda, which isn't in the best interest for the nation as a whole. It isn't easy working against people on two fronts, but success can be achieved. But it will take a lot of time, effort and money to achieve. It will not be easy, but we cannot sit by and do nothing.
So are you going to step up and put in the effort to right this country again and put us on a proper course? Or are you going to abandon ship and watch it sink into the bottom of the ocean?
Also I'd love to know which country you would consider going to (that would let you in) that is deemed to be "better" overall than the USA.
As for the votes on it:
The bill then passed by a vote of 60–39 on December 24, 2009, with all Democrats and two independents voting for, and all Republicans voting against
The House passed the Senate bill with a 219–212 vote on March 21, 2010, with 34 Democrats and all 178 Republicans voting against it
Seems like it was one-sided to me.
Ok, so a 5-4 vote on the commerce clause... wtf. You don't have a freakin' clue what you're talking about man. This doesn't have an single thing to do with Republican support lol. Unless of course, you're saying that the SCOTUS votes by party now.
This might help ya:
I'm trying to figure out where you're pulling "republican support" from. If they ALL voted against it, minus one that didn't vote at all... where does it support the law passing?
Last edited by F34R; 10-02-2013 at 05:12.
Why doesn't America just default.... rebuild and get their $#@! together, sure it will affect everybody and it will create an apocalypse of crime and anger for people who feel they have their whole world disrupted. But it's better to happen now than in the future.
Sure it will affect the rest of the world too but it will help the rest of the world reshape america everyone wins." A Toll's a toll and a roll's a roll. If we don't get no toll's, then we don't eat no roll's"
No, back to just voting for whoever seems more likely to do something helpful. I will be damned if anyone gonna catch me holding my breadth that they will ever get their crap together.
Here is a decent video with a brief summary:
What a vapid response.
Just because we don't like a law or don't get our way, that doesn't mean we should shut the gov down. Republicans had every opportunity to defeat this law and they failed. There is none to blame but themselves. They ran with defeating Obama care with Romney and they lost. Now they are acting like spoiled brats because the President won't bend to their ways. It's time for them to move on and get past this Obama derangement syndrome.
Last edited by Sub-stance1; 10-02-2013 at 06:00.
That starts with ridding ourselves of those in the various parts of the govt. (congress, executive branch, state legislatures, state governorships, city council's, ect.) that either are focused on serving themselves or not listing to the will of their constituents and upholding our constitution.
That starts with everyone doing their due diligence every 2 years when we have elections so that we can vote for the best candidate. And holding those who we elected accountable in the interim between elections.
It also involves getting fresh blood in our political system with new candidates that won't sell out or ignore their constituents. Those that view being elected to be a public service rather than a lifetime career.
Ultimately many people do not realize that we the people have the power over our government and we can make changes if we want to. Too many people make excuses for doing this, but it is the truth. The question is whether we are willing to say enough is enough, or just roll over and take it.
There are many aspects of it that I think are actually really good. However, that doesn't mean I SUPPORT THE damned thing. So because I don't like the majority of it, but like a few things of it, does that mean I support it; and then vote "NO" for it, and that means I support it? smh
Most, if not all of, Congress didn't even know what the hell was in the 900+ pages (now over 2000 pages) of the damn bill. Yet, almost all the Democrats voted "YES" for it, while the Republicans all voted "NO". That is the House and Senate. How are you not understanding that? The Republicans couldn't defeat the bill before it became a law because the House and Senate were controlled by Democrats. All Democrat Senators, and all but 34 Democrats in the House is what passed the bill into law. No Republican support at all. PERIOD. FACT.
Last edited by F34R; 10-02-2013 at 06:48.
The People didn't get a single vote on Obamacare. Sorry.
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As for not convincing people it was bad? As Rush Limbaugh says.... "You can't beat Santa Claus".
Why does he say that? Cuz the Democrats promise the world. They always push free rent assistance, free utilities assistance, free food stamps, free money for college, free contraceptives, etc etc etc. Since about 45% of the country pays little to no federal income tax.... of course they are gonna vote in the gravy train democrats. When you ain't paying those taxes yourselves, it's easy to vote in the people who will raise the taxes of OTHER PEOPLE... i.e. NOT YOU.
In credit card debt? No problem..... just file for bankruptcy and legally stiff your creditors. Democrats aren't about MAKING their own money, but finding ways of TAKING the money of others. In the case of a bankruptcy... you basically took the money of the creditors and pay pennies on the dollar back to them or if at all.....the democrat way.
Look at Public Broadcasting (PBS) television. They have been getting public money to subsidize their liberal ideology network for about the last 45 years. And when we try to cut them off, the democrats and Obama tried to say Mitt Romney was trying to kill off POOR Big Bird. Nevermind the fact that Big Bird and his Muppet pals rake in tens of MILLIONS of dollars each year in merchandising...... making them part of the top 1%. But no no no... we must keep giving our hard earned taxes to help fund them despite the fact they bring in MILLIONS and could pay their own way.
Do you feel like you were born the wrong sex? Do you want a sex change? Do you work for government? Well if you answered YES to all three... then you are in luck by voting for democrats. Cuz they are the ones that made laws forcing taxpayers to pay for a government worker's sex change operation. Cuz you know.... if there is a way for them to get something they want while making someone else pay for it....it's the democrats to the rescue.
And with ObamaCare..... they have promised the world. So how did Obama get re-elected? By promising the world and vowing to make rich people to pay for most of it.
Just cuz Obama was voted in by a majority doesn't mean the majority wanted ObamaCare. The polls have consistently shown over the years that the MAJORITY of people polled don't like the law and the numbers have only gotten worse for the law since.
Oh and remember Sub-stance1..... you know the democrats blame the republicans for no immigration reform law...right? Even though they had the presidency and the majority in BOTH the house AND the Senate from 2008-2010...right? Meaning they could have made any immigration reform they wanted and the republicans would have been powerless to stop them.
And did they pass a law? NOPE. Yet now that the republicans have the majority in the house, all of a sudden it's the republican's fault as to why we don't have a reform bill passed. And that's how they got Latinos to vote for Obama.... to blame it on the republicans and completely gloss over the fact that the democrats never passed one when they had ALL the power.
What's wrong with the United States is the country is too far to the left and too far to the right on issues. We need more conservative democrats and liberal republicans.
When things are too far to the left, like perhaps the new health care act about to really take effect, it causes problems like the one we have now. When things are too far to the right, the same thing can occur.
I think when issue solutions are centered, neither too far to the right or too far to the left, that's when the country is at its best.
The problem is the parties aren't compromising like they should. The U.S. people wanted health care reform but because the Republicans were too busy trying to knock it down rather than make it better, the law is too far to the left.
Politics on both sides are destroying this country or making it worse.
By the way, I am one of the few black people I know who believes Obama could do a better job as president. Like the poster above me stated, if Obama wasn't playing politics, why didn't he pass things til his heart's content when the dems had the house and senate?
My father says Obama wanted bipartism or whatever, but screw that. If you care about the country, if you are truly for "change" then why do you need it to "change" the country?
It's all politics. I hate to say it, but politics in this country needs reform.
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The United States has a bloated and inefficient healthcare system that's actually rated lower in numerous comparisons involving wait times, surgeries and treatments, life expectancy, obesity, and patient opinions on how satisfied they were with the system and services. The World Health Organization rates us as about average among other modern industrialized nations. We have the highest expenditure for healthcare in the world, where care remains unavailable for those most unfortunate and in need of aid. Also, the companies and pharmaceuticals that control our medicine and insurance have us completely $#@!ed.
We have the highest incarceration per capita rate in the world, many being in there for nonviolent drug-related crimes. We're also pretty damn good at wasting a lot of money on our military. We have one of the most disgusting disparities of wealth (which is getting worse) of any nation in the world. We have a collapsing infrastructure that's in serious need of maintenance and upgrades. We refuse to better ourselves in a multitude of ways (energy production, equal rights, education, imperial system, etc). And, finally, we're not that free with things such as the Patriot Act, NSA, and secret court rulings going on behind closed doors.
So forgive me if I don't find your argument convincing. I'm still not seeing what puts this country on some golden throne. If anything, it seems like what America is no.1 at is being delusional. We can do better. We should do better. What we shouldn't do is tell ourselves that we're the best country when we're very clearly not.
Last edited by Nerevar; 10-02-2013 at 12:40.
It's like when Obama was a Senator:
“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills. ... I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.”
How is it unconstitutional? It's gone though ever step literally by the paper and deemed fully constitutional by... well, everyone.
I'm not sure where you get that it is constitutional to REQUIRE citizens pay for health care, or they have to pay a penalty... *cough.. erm, a tax. The only reason they make it a requirement is so that the people that CAN pay for it will do so, and the ones that can't pay for it, still won't have to pay for it. They'll get the same $#@! they do now. Subsidized credits.
What a wash this government is.
Last edited by F34R; 10-02-2013 at 13:57.
America should have a version of our (uk's nhs). Surely they could make it work...
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