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    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    Sub, can you comment on that video I posted a page or two back? The one where Obama is calling it unpatriotic to accumulate so much debt, etc...
    I did.

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    I did.
    No, you commented on the network that aired it..

    Can you comment on what Obama said in the video, the content IN the video.




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    ugh... you people still here eh? Thats ok... $#@! ain't for everyone

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    I don't take anything that comes that network serious about Obama or anyone who isn't a conservative. Especially not from from that guy. They hate Obama so much that they falsely reported that the healthcare bill individual mandate was struck down and had to apologize. Their reactions to his reelection was priceless though.
    yeah... as entertaining as the WI recalls were... Faux news on election night 2008 (when they called Ohio)... election night 2012 (when that Mittens double digit victory didn't quite happen... all Hail Nate Silver- Math's a $#@!)... and the morning of SC upheld "Obamacare" (poor Gretchen)... now that was all priceless.


    As for the shutdown... we've seen this movie before.
    These petulant children in Congress throw a tantrum... they rattle the economy... the politicians use this nonsense to raise money for 2014... in a week or so the government will re-open... and this whole ordeal will cost the GOP the Senate and possibly the house.


    The end.

    Sorry- I guess I should have said *spoiler alert*

    Wake me up when something meaningful happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    Thats total BS.

    How is that BS? We can go through all the agendas, laws and policies of democrats and they are almost all in line with liberal and socialist ideologies. Not to insult you, but I think you are ignorant. Not as in stupid, but you just aren't well informed and/or haven't dug deep into politics like I have for years. I dig deeper than the surface stuff that most people judge by.

    You tell me what principles, based on agendas, laws and policies that democrats have either pushed for, campaigned on or passed and I'll show you how these are liberal and/or socialist ideology driven.



    I don't vote a party. I vote for the individual.

    I vote for a conservative, not a party. Not everyone in the republican party is all that conservative. Some are barely so. Basically democrats with an (R) beside their name. Former senator Olympia Snowe of Maine comes to mind.

    I vote for an INDIVIDUAL from a field of conservatives..... not from a field of both democrats and republicans. I may think as a personality that a democrat is a nice and personable person, but if his ideology and agendas are liberal and/or socialist.....doesn't matter how much I like him as a personality, there is no way in hell I'm voting for them unless there is no conservative alternative. And even then, I'm picking the democrat with the LEAST liberal agenda.



    That's exactly my point. That's the problem

    That's a problem? Why? Cuz I don't want to vote for a democrat? I'll vote for a democrat when I find a conservative one. Since they don't exist, I have to vote republican....or for the least liberal democrat when there is no conservative alternative.


    I'm sure some people feel the same about Republicans. It just goes back to what I said before. Some of our problems are the fault of the voters who put them there. That statement is a perfect example.

    Well yeah....of course some people feel that way about the republicans if they are a liberal or socialist.

    It's only the fault of the voters that put them there if they are low information voters without any type of ideology. During the 2012 election of Obama, pollsters asked college students as they were leaving the polls to list their top reasons for voting the way they did. One of the top reasons was free contraceptives and student loan debt relief. National debt? They barely even thought of it. We are about $17 trillion in debt wondering how we are going to pay it off and these kids are voting for freebies promises.


    Nothing wrong with that but it doesn't mean that gov is all bad and it shouldn't exist. Not saying that is your view but there are those that think that way.

    Only the most purist of libertarians want NO government. Most conservatives want it as small as possible, not eliminated.

    Thats BS bro. A totally close minded view, if anything. Having a more effective Gov doesn't necessarily mean having a larger one. Republican and conservatives don't care about minorities and only care about the rich. Now you see how silly that sounds.

    Instead of just telling me it's BS, tell me HOW it's BS. As for effective VS larger government? Liberals DO push for bigger government. They create new departments of this, new divisions of that and are constantly increasing the responsibilities of the government. And when you do all that, they have to increase the workforce and spending expenditures. That results in bigger and bigger government and more and more money needed to fund it all.

    How do you think the term "Tax and spend liberal" came about? They are ALWAYS pushing for tax increases and spend our taxpayer money CONSTANTLY on this that and the other thing. Democrats have a long voting record of this to prove my point. This isn't just me making up things to bash the democrats, their own voting records prove me out.


    You call that education?..lol

    So basically you hate all liberals based on that? There is so much fail in there I dont even know where to begin. What you did there is no different than a person teaching a kid to hate someone based on the color of their skin. You put a whole group of people in a category based on hearsay.

    Well if there is so much fail in there, care to argue where I am wrong? I'm not preaching blind hate simply because they are democrats. I argue my case as to why to hate them based on something the democrats can control....their actions. Blacks can't control the color of their skin, so why hate them for something they can't control?

    The liberals have written books admitting these are their agendas. The extreme liberals actually brag about it to their fellow liberals at conferences and informal get together with fellow liberals.

    I should know, I used to live in a very liberal city. Even now... even though my town leans more conservative, there are liberals that live here. There is a liberal coffeehouse here where they all get together to drink coffee and discuss liberal politics. For the longest time I used to just buy a coffee and simply listen to them talk to get an intimate look into their circles and mindset. They didn't know I was conservative. I didn't talk, I simply listened like a fly on the wall. And after hearing a couple years of this, they only verified and confirmed the mindset I always knew they had based on the voting records of the democrats they kept putting into office here.

    I don't do it anymore because a lot of them now know I'm a conservative and clam up. They were at an occupy wall street protest in the town center and I for the first time started questioning them and they quickly figured out I was conservative. Some were still very polite to me and would engage me while some others were hostile and screamed at me to leave.


    Ok, now i see where you get this stuff from. Fox news says it so it has to be true and factual right? Fair and balanced? Isn't that the motto?

    It's true and factual because those numbers came straight from the US government itself. The IRS keeps yearly records of how much taxes were paid, by what income levels it came from and what percentage of the total revenue was paid by each income level.

    Those are the numbers and the breakdowns. They speak for themselves. No amount of spin is even needed. CLEARLY the top 10% of income earners are paying most of the nation's income taxes.


    Not so much their ways, but their message. It's about people first, not about parties. Dude, I feel for you if everyone you meet you put them into a category and dislike them because of what you believe. That's a sad way to live.

    We all judge people and put them in categories in some aspect of our lives. I judge democrats, liberals and socialists based on their beliefs and actions. I don't hate them based on their beliefs. If they merely stayed as beliefs, I wouldn't have a problem with them. But when they try to put their beliefs in action, THEN that is when I hate them.

    Because once they cross the line from stating their beliefs, to actually putting them in action where they actually affect me, yeah....I hate them. And when they put people in office with the purpose of taxing me more, handing out more free stuff while making OTHER people pay for it, try to dictate or lives through the nanny state, practice class warfare, etc etc etc

    Yes... then I will admit. I hate them for that.

    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    No, you commented on the network that aired it..

    Can you comment on what Obama said in the video, the content IN the video.
    It's the knee jerk reaction of a liberal when they hear the words Fox News. Immediately dismiss the source and not actually debate the content.
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    why so much anger towards liberals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    why so much anger towards liberals?
    thinkers vs believers

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/139880/el...te-groups.aspx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    why so much anger towards liberals?
    Well I can go into many reasons, but I'll just pick one for now. Cuz they put people in power that keep taxing me to death and spending the money like drunken sailors.... then have the nerve to come back hitting me up for money again.

    Imagine your child comes up to you and asks you for $25. You give it to them. Then 5 minutes later they ask for another $25. You give it to them. Then 5 mins after that they ask for more. And it goes on and on.

    That's a liberal. They are always hitting up the tax payer for money CONSTANTLY. But while I can say NO to my child hitting me up for money, try saying no to the IRS! They can jail you, take all your money and assets to get that money. My kid can't force me to give them money, but the IRS basically puts a gun to your head and says pay us or else!

    A taxpayer earns the money and the government is always trying to find a way of taking as much as possible, as often as possible away from me.

    That's just one reason I hate liberals. Keep your hands out of my $#@!ing pockets leeches!


    Quote Originally Posted by DayWalker View Post
    *cough* climate-change *cough*



    thinkers vs believers

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/139880/el...te-groups.aspx

    UN climate change report dismisses slowdown in global warming




    The Earth has changed in “unprecedented ways” since 1950, the U.N. says, and its scientists are 95 percent certain that humans are responsible.

    Yet the planet has largely stopped warming over the past 15 years, data shows -- and a landmark report released Friday by the U.N.’s climate group could not explain why the mercury has stopped rising.

    Global surface temperatures rose rapidly during the 70s, but have been relatively flat over the past decade and a half, rising only 0.05 degrees Celsius (0.09 degrees Fahrenheit) per decade according to data from the U.K.’s weather-watching Met Office, a trend current models of the world’s climate have been unable to predict. A draft of the report leaked in early September acknowledged that trend and put it bluntly: We simply can’t explain it.

    “Models do not generally reproduce the observed reduction in surface warming trend over the last 10–15 years.”


    But a final version of the report released Friday morning by the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) strips out the failure of models and explains away the downward trend.

    'There may also be ... an overestimate of the response to increasing greenhouse gas and other anthropogenic forcing.'

    - U.N. climate report

    “Due to natural variability, trends based on short records are very sensitive to the beginning and end dates and do not in general reflect long-term climate trends,” the new report reads.

    A later reference suggests volcanoes, oceans and solar activity may have affected the warming, although the IPCC said it wasn't confident in that finding.

    The U.N. arm also acknowledges another possibility: Maybe it was wrong.

    "There may also be ... an overestimate of the response to increasing greenhouse gas and other anthropogenic forcing," the new report admits.

    Climate skeptics have seized upon the change in world weather patterns, some citing it as evidence that global warming itself has decelerated or even stopped. Benny Peiser, director of the Global Warming Policy Foundation, said the slowdown was a far larger issue than the report shows.

    “Unless global temperature will begin to rise again in the next few years, the IPCC is very likely going to suffer an existential blow to its credibility,” he said. Judith Curry, professor and chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology, was even blunter.

    “IPCC has thrown down the gauntlet – if the pause continues beyond 15 years (well it already has), they are toast.”

    Many governments had objections over how the issue was treated in earlier drafts and some had called for it to be deleted altogether. In a Friday morning presentation of its findings, Thomas Stocker, co-chair of the group that wrote the report, defended that decision, the Associated Press reported.

    "An old rule says that climate-relevant trends should not be calculated for periods less than around 30 years," Stocker said.

    Many scientists say the slowdown reflects random climate fluctuations and an unusually hot year, 1998, picked as a starting point for charting temperatures. Another leading hypothesis is that heat is settling temporarily in the oceans.

    Stocker said there wasn't enough literature on "this emerging question."

    The IPCC said the evidence of climate change has grown thanks to more and better observations, a clearer understanding of the climate system and improved models to analyze the impact of rising temperatures.

    "Our assessment of the science finds that the atmosphere and ocean have warmed, the amount of snow and ice has diminished, the global mean sea level has risen and the concentrations of greenhouse gases have increased," said Qin Dahe, co-chair of the working group that wrote the report.

    Yet recent reports have stressed that climate models have failed to accurately predict global temperatures. A study in the journal Nature Climate Change compared 117 climate predictions made in the 1990's to the actual amount of warming. Out of 117 predictions, the study’s author told FoxNews.com, 3 were roughly accurate and 114 overestimated the amount of warming.

    On average, the predictions forecasted two times more global warming than actually occurred.

    "It's a real problem ... it shows that there really is something that needs to be fixed in the climate models," climate scientist John Christy, a professor at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, told FoxNews.com at the time.
    http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/...lobal-warming/

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    I'm not talking about politicians. I'm talking about liberals in general. really dude, both sides have their $#@!heads. so why take sides?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    I'm not talking about politicians. I'm talking about liberals in general. really dude, both sides have their $#@!heads. so why take sides?
    But it's liberals who puts liberal politicians in office who enacts liberal policies that I hate. Am I supposed to hate the conservatives that DIDN'T put those liberal politicians in power? Nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatSpaceKoaster View Post
    But it's liberals who puts liberal politicians in office who enacts liberal policies that I hate. Am I supposed to hate the conservatives that DIDN'T put those liberal politicians in power? Nope.
    you're saying that conservative politicians are any better? you have to realize that you're part of the reason this country is in a huge divide right now. it's the minorities (you) hating on other minorities (sort of people that you dislike) and the rest of the good majority are suffering due to it.

    you're generalizing rather a large number of the population by putting them together with the politicians. if that were the case, one would have to hate virtually the entire world. there's much more to people than this political crap.

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    just sit back and eat popcorn while watching it go down on TV. I'll gladly hop into a good debate but this is just pure entertainment. Nevermind the people out of work currently because everything federal is shutting down or is already shut down. No one normal person had a stake in this outcome. Sufi, you didn't have a stake in this outcome and Koaster didn't either. I just sit back and laugh at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demi_God View Post
    just sit back and eat popcorn while watching it go down on TV. I'll gladly hop into a good debate but this is just pure entertainment. Nevermind the people out of work currently because everything federal is shutting down or is already shut down. No one normal person had a stake in this outcome. Sufi, you didn't have a stake in this outcome and Koaster didn't either. I just sit back and laugh at it.
    ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    you're saying that conservative politicians are any better? you have to realize that you're part of the reason this country is in a huge divide right now. it's the minorities (you) hating on other minorities (sort of people that you dislike) and the rest of the good majority are suffering due to it.

    you're generalizing rather a large number of the population by putting them together with the politicians. if that were the case, one would have to hate virtually the entire world. there's much more to people than this political crap.


    Conservative politician: Wants to cut taxes (let ME keep MORE of my hard earned money...after all...I EARNED IT... the government didn't) and reduce spending by the government (So we quit going further and further into debt on the backs of our children and grandchildren).

    Liberal politician: Wants to constantly raise my taxes every chance they get (letting me keep LESS and LESS of my hard earned money) and increasing the amount government spends (putting this country further and further in debt).

    Yup.....I'm saying conservative politicians are better. Not that complicated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatSpaceKoaster View Post
    Conservative politician: Wants to cut taxes (let ME keep MORE of my hard earned money...after all...I EARNED IT... the government didn't) and reduce spending by the government (So we quit going further and further into debt on the backs of our children and grandchildren).

    Liberal politician: Wants to constantly raise my taxes every chance they get (letting me keep LESS and LESS of my hard earned money) and increasing the amount government spends (putting this country further and further in debt).

    Yup.....I'm saying conservative politicians are better. Not that complicated.
    there's a lot more $#@! that goes on than just that. speaking overall, both sides of the candidates do stupid $#@!.

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    I'd like an example of a conservative president...

    Bushes claimed to be... so did Regean... I won't even bother posting what they did to the deficit...

    Liberals- raise taxes and increase spending.
    Republicans- cut taxes... and increase spending.

    Yeah, they are totally different from one another
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    there's a lot more $#@! that goes on than just that. speaking overall, both sides of the candidates do stupid $#@!.
    Oh I can come up with more comparisons if you ask. This wasn't about stupid $#@!.

    Quote Originally Posted by DayWalker View Post
    I'd like an example of a conservative president...

    Bushes claimed to be... so did Regean... I won't even bother posting what they did to the deficit...

    Liberals- raise taxes and increase spending.
    Republicans- cut taxes... and increase spending.

    Yeah, they are totally different from one another
    They were all conservative, but to varying degrees.

    Those republicans that increased spending either weren't very conservative, or agreed to it as a compromise with the Democrats.

    Also...Ronald Reagan increased taxes in a deal with democrats if they agreed to later reduce spending. The democrats got their tax increases, Reagan was duped and never got the spending cuts the democrats promised. It was one of his biggest regrets.

    A big reason you saw the rise of the tea party was because conservatives were sick of republican's that weren't being very conservative. Also known as RINOs. That's why you have seen a split in the republican party in government. It's tea party republican's that are truly conservative VS. a lot of RINOs and conservative-lite members.


    Oh... and you talked about spending? Obama has increased our debt in his first 3 1/2 years in office, what took Bush his entire 8 year term to accomplish. That means Obama is spending at over twice the rate as Bush did. The same Obama that criticized Bush as being irresponsible and unpatriotic for building up such a large debt in his 2008 campaign speeches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatSpaceKoaster View Post
    Oh I can come up with more comparisons if you ask. This wasn't about stupid $#@!.
    alright, let it consume you then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatSpaceKoaster View Post
    Oh I can come up with more comparisons if you ask. This wasn't about stupid $#@!.



    They were all conservative, but to varying degrees.

    Those republicans that increased spending either weren't very conservative, or agreed to it as a compromise with the Democrats.

    Also...Ronald Reagan increased taxes in a deal with democrats if they agreed to later reduce spending. The democrats got their tax increases, Reagan was duped and never got the spending cuts the democrats promised. It was one of his biggest regrets.

    A big reason you saw the rise of the tea party was because conservatives were sick of republican's that weren't being very conservative. Also known as RINOs. That's why you have seen a split in the republican party in government. It's tea party republican's that are truly conservative VS. a lot of RINOs and conservative-lite members.


    Oh... and you talked about spending? Obama has increased our debt in his first 3 1/2 years in office, what took Bush his entire 8 year term to accomplish. That means Obama is spending at over twice the rate as Bush did. The same Obama that criticized Bush as being irresponsible and unpatriotic for building up such a large debt in his 2008 campaign speeches.
    Of course they were conservative to varying degrees. Didn't stop any of them from tripling the deficit.

    And let's not pretend like Obama hasn't been compromising with Repubilicans.
    Look no further than Obamacare itself. The administration barely even contemplated a single payer system.
    Obama has ben heavily criticized from the left for compromising too much with the GOP.


    All those GOP Prez made the same claims Obama did about reducing the deficit. Turns out once you get into office its not that easy. Conervaties spend just as much as liberals (as far as the deficit is concerned) ... just on different priorities...

    And you are aware that government spending increased primarily as a result of the Great Recession right? Would have happened regardless of who was president. Despite what a politician CLAIMS he would have done had he been in charge.

    If you believe otherwise... well thats just naive

    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    alright, let it consume you then.
    Don't lose any sleep on it.

    People like him (on the left or right) are in the minority.
    The people that they tend to support have little to no chance of being elected via the electoral college. (see Palin, Bachmann, etc).

    And it won't get any easier for them either. By the time a primary comes around, they will have said so much bat $#@! crazy stuff in order to win the "biggest nutjob available" award- their campaign will be DOA.
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    The deficits in the us budget will continue until:

    - all Americans pay income taxes. That includes the 43% that pay 0 income tax.

    - America stays away from war

    History shows that in periods of peace, America runs far more surpluses than deficits.

    Obviously this is over simplified and other things can be done, but those 2 above would help severely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captobvious75 View Post
    The deficits in the us budget will continue until:

    - all Americans pay income taxes. That includes the 43% that pay 0 income tax.

    - America stays away from war

    History shows that in periods of peace, America runs far more surpluses than deficits.

    Obviously this is over simplified and other things can be done, but those 2 above would help severely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    ok.
    ok what? what are you going to do to make this entire thing better? that's right, not a thing. so....okay. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demi_God View Post
    ok what? what are you going to do to make this entire thing better? that's right, not a thing. so....okay. lol
    i wasn't trying to do that. i was trying to show light to a fellow human being. lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatSpaceKoaster View Post
    It's the knee jerk reaction of a liberal when they hear the words Fox News. Immediately dismiss the source and not actually debate the content.
    When it comes to certain political news from them, yes. It's not just liberals that have that view either. A lot of people feel that way too. Who was the network that was guaranteeing a victory for Romney and said the polls were wrong,the healthcare mandate was over turned, and I could go on and on but you get the point. Can't dismiss the source right?...lol Come on dude, it doesn't take a liberal or conservative to see what goes on over there. There really is nothing to debate on that. This is the same network that says Obama's foreign policy is a disaster and should be impeached for Benghazi , but they refuse to talk about Iraq and the events of Sep.11. They just ooze with fairness and well balanced news though.

    You seem to have a one track mind on this stuff......lol Knee jerk reactions though, right?






    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    Sub, can you comment on that video I posted a page or two back? The one where Obama is calling it unpatriotic to accumulate so much debt, etc...
    I did comment. I said it was the usual politics and both sides do it.I really don't put too much into it because i know that sometimes networks only show the part they want you to see or hear to play to their audience. That's something faux did in this case because i remember that clip and he did go into more detail about how and why the debt was that way. It's just the norm though. They put there own spin on it.


    Faux news rarely gives obama credit anything. Not saying other networks are innocent when it come to this stuff, but they really go out of their way to try to make him look as bad as they can. I wouldn't call them a trustworthy source on these sort of things.


    You see this is a pefcet example of what i was saying:

    Fox News mistakenly airs parody of Obama offering to personally fund Muslim museum




    The federal government shut down has caused a headache for tourists wanting to visit national parks and museums. And one of the more high-profile stories this week concerned a group of World War II veterans who had to literally pass government tape to gain access to the World War II Memorial on the National Mall.

    In a story about the monument closure, Fox News host Anna Kooiman fell prey to a false report from a parody site, which claimed that President Obama had offered to keep the International Museum of Muslim Culturesopen with cash from his own pocket.

    “The Republican National Committee is offering to pay for it to keep it open so that the veterans from Honor Flight are going to be able to go and see this because who did it honor? It honored them,” Kooiman said during a report on Friday. “It really doesn't seem fair, especially — and we're going to talk a little bit later in the show too about some things that are continuing to be funded. And President Obama has offered to pay out of his own pocket for the museum of Muslim culture out of his own pocket, yet it's the Republican National Committee who's paying for this.”
    Kooiman was referencing a quote from the National Report, a parody news site that ran the fake story on Obama. The key quote from the story reads:
    “The International Museum of Muslim Cultures is sacred. That is why I have taken it upon myself to use my own personal funds to re-open this historic piece of American culture.”
    On one hand, Media Matters points out that the National Report removed a disclaimer it once posted on its site acknowledging that the material contained within was parody.
    On the other hand, the National Report currently contains a set of “news” headlines such as “Jesus Christ boycotts Hobby Lobby,” and “Police barge into kindergarten classroom and taser multiple children ‘for the check of it.’”
    But in the fast world of TV news, it’s most likely that a producer told Kooiman about the so-called news report, which then made it on air before anyone could confirm the report’s details.
    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow...233837793.html


    Now you see what I mean. This is a perfect example of what I was saying. The network jumped at the opportunity to showcase him n a negative light and they just ran it without confirming.I know this happens frequently but this network goes out of their way to do it. This is what i mean when I say they aren't trustworthy.
    Last edited by Sub-stance1; 10-06-2013 at 16:56.

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    I mean- its not Nate Silver... and 2014 is a long ways off but... logic and history tells us that this will be the result of all this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    why so much anger towards liberals?
    There is an age old saying that applies here..............

    If you're under 30 and a Conservative you don't have a heart.

    If you're over 30 and a Liberal you don't have a brain.

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