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    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    Well, just stop with the "bipartisan" talk. It wasn't, isn't, and won't ever be... The Supreme Court isn't party affiliated. I never said it was illegal, or still a bill.
    Lol at you actually believing that the Supreme Court members aren't party affiliated... You really dont follow politics, do ya?

    It doesn't matter because it's the law now. It had little to no republican support. That's what happens when one side refuses to come to the table and even discuss it. Basically their health care plan was, DONT GET SICK. Big money actually failed that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    Lol at you actually believing that the Supreme Court members aren't party affiliated... You really dont follow politics, do ya?

    It doesn't matter because it's the law now. It had little to no republican support. That's what happens when one side refuses to come to the table and even discuss it. Basically their health care plan was, DONT GET SICK. Big money actually failed that time.
    I guess those democrat justices need to be removed for voting against their party on more occasions than voting for. Same with the "republican" ones. They aren't allowed to be part affiliated. They are labeled unofficially as conservative, liberal, or moderate.

    The plan didn't have any republican support, at least by voting standards I guess. Yeah, we know what happens when one isn't willing to come to the table to even discuss it.

    http://www.newsmax.com/US/thousands-...0/23/id/532769

    Yeah, this plan that is the law is going to hold true to the promises Obama made to the American people. smfh




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    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    I guess those democrat justices need to be removed for voting against their party on more occasions than voting for. Same with the "republican" ones. They aren't allowed to be part affiliated. They are labeled unofficially as conservative, liberal, or moderate.
    Yea and those labels mean absolutely nothing....lol just like the tea party claim no allegiance to the Republican Party . Just because they are on the court it doesn't mean their values change.
    Whoever said they had to vote with their party. Don't confuse them with congress. They don't have to worry about consequences.

    The plan didn't have any republican support, at least by voting standards I guess. Yeah, we know what happens when one isn't willing to come to the table to even discuss it.
    come on now, we all know the plan wasn't gonna have any support from righties. Remember the oath. If Obama is for it, they have to be against it. He is a socialist.

    http://www.newsmax.com/US/thousands-...0/23/id/532769

    Yeah, this plan that is the law is going to hold true to the promises Obama made to the American people. smfh
    Yea, im sure that your sudden interest in this whole thing is because you care about Americans healthcare.... All in good faith, right? lol Iraq war was supposed to be quick and inexpensive. Promises promises.

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    I care about mine and my families healthcare and where are tax dollars are going for subsidizing others, as well as the costs of our coverage going up, being canceled, despite Obamas promises that we can keep our plans and costs will be going down.




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    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    I care about mine and my families healthcare and where are tax dollars are going for subsidizing others, as well as the costs of our coverage going up, being canceled, despite Obamas promises that we can keep our plans and costs will be going down.
    Then go find a plan that works. I know people that have found plans that lowers their coverage. Some haven't. You are giving up. There are issues with the implementation but there is still plenty of time left. None ever promised cheap healthcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    Then go find a plan that works. I know people that have found plans that lowers their coverage. Some haven't. You are giving up. There are issues with the implementation but there is still plenty of time left. None ever promised cheap healthcare.
    Pretty sure everyone was talking about free healthcare and they charged more in the end than any other plan ever did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldierboy View Post
    Pretty sure everyone was talking about free healthcare and they charged more in the end than any other plan ever did.
    Health care has never been free. This isn't gonna happen overnight. Some of the blame is on the providers too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    Then go find a plan that works. I know people that have found plans that lowers their coverage. Some haven't. You are giving up. There are issues with the implementation but there is still plenty of time left. None ever promised cheap healthcare.
    The plans that work are more expensive than what we get now. I'm not giving up. It's just that we were promised all these things from the mouth of the President, and it doesn't work like what he said at all. It further puts this country in debt. Obama promised affordable health care. What he didn't want anyone to know, affordable means less coverage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    The plans that work are more expensive than what we get now. I'm not giving up. It's just that we were promised all these things from the mouth of the President, and it doesn't work like what he said at all. It further puts this country in debt. Obama promised affordable health care. What he didn't want anyone to know, affordable means less coverage.
    He never promised you that it would happen overnight either. Medicare d had a rough start too. This is the US gov we are talking about. They are far from perfect and some in the health care industry will continue to fight against it because they want to keep prices high to screw people over.. Stop blaming everything on one person. He isn't the reason why our health care system is screwed. Stop acting like you actually care about the debt . Where was all this concern years ago when it was skyrocketing out of control? Affordable health care for millions isn't gonna put us in no more debt than we are already in. Don't believe everything you hear. Get the facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    He never promised you that it would happen overnight either. Medicare d had a rough start too. This is the US gov we are talking about. They are far from perfect and some in the health care industry will continue to fight against it because they want to keep prices high to screw people over.. Stop blaming everything on one person. He isn't the reason why our health care system is screwed. Stop acting like you actually care about the debt . Where was all this concern years ago when it was skyrocketing out of control? Affordable health care for millions isn't gonna put us in no more debt than we are already in. Don't believe everything you hear. Get the facts.
    What does it matter where I was four years ago? When you get someone claiming a bunch of stuff, and ridicules the going out President for all these things, and then DOES THE EXACT SAME THING, only worse... yeah. Facts. How the heck are you coming up with that it won't increase the debt?
    I don't get you at all.




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    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    What does it matter where I was four years ago? When you get someone claiming a bunch of stuff, and ridicules the going out President for all these things, and then DOES THE EXACT SAME THING, only worse... yeah. Facts. How the heck are you coming up with that it won't increase the debt?
    I don't get you at all.
    exact as bush...no. Not even close. As far as increasing debt, I'm saying wait. It's only been a few weeks. All you're doing is repeating what you hear conservative tv and radio say. Anything coming out of the whitehouse is wrong to them. If Obama says he likes BLTs they will try and band bacon. They really despise the guy and they don't try to hide it.

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    The debt matters because out children and grandchildren will be paying that debt off for the rest of their lives. Maybe even china will take their money back with force like a loan shark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldierboy View Post
    The debt matters because out children and grandchildren will be paying that debt off for the rest of their lives. Maybe even china will take their money back with force like a loan shark.
    No one said it doesn't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PBM View Post
    Your comment is negated by the sheer number of government handouts we have.
    And does that pay for your medical care cover?
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    I know this isn't a surprise... friend of mine had this on facebook.

    It turns out the Obama administration knew as early as 2010 that millions of Americans would lose their health care plans. The president promised that current plans would be grandfathered in so that when ObamaCare was implemented, people could keep their existing plans.
    The proof is in an IRS bulletin from July 2010 that reads: “A reasonable range for the percentage of individual policies that would terminate and therefore relinquish their grandfather status is 40 to 67 percent.”
    Tonight on The Kelly File, Megyn Kelly debated Democratic analyst Mark Hannah over the president’s broken promise. “It’s not true. Almost a million people have been canceled so far, Mark, and the estimates are that […] perhaps as many as 14 million could be canceled soon.”
    Hannah defended the president by stating that the number of people who are uninsured is far greater than the percentage of people that will lose their current coverage.
    “[President Obama’ said if you like your plan you can keep it, period,” Kelly challenged. “If he wanted to be honest, he should not have said ‘period.’ He should have said ‘asterisk. I want the fourteen million Americans who are out there, who I believe are going to lose their individual insurance plans, to understand that that’s a risk.’ And then they can call their representative and tell them to vote for ObamaCare or not, based on the full disclosure of the information.”
    Hannah argued that maybe the facts were underreported to begin with. Kelly shot back, “So it was my fault, it was the media’s fault and it was the American people’s fault because they should have understood that ‘period’ did not mean period at all?!”
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    Political pressure perhaps?
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    I wonder what political pressure could have made it necessary to mandate that a male healthcare plan has maternity leave as a mandate. lol

    That, add on the amount they've spent on the website alone is over 200 million.




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    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    I wonder what political pressure could have made it necessary to mandate that a male healthcare plan has maternity leave as a mandate. lol

    That, add on the amount they've spent on the website alone is over 200 million.
    Its usually called paternity leave for fathers not maternity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    I wonder what political pressure could have made it necessary to mandate that a male healthcare plan has maternity leave as a mandate. lol

    That, add on the amount they've spent on the website alone is over 200 million.
    The same pressure thats making the ones against it now who was for it when Romney introduced it in Mass. It's funny how they praised it then but now are against it...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    The same pressure thats making the ones against it now who was for it when Romney introduced it in Mass. It's funny how they praised it then but now are against it...lol
    Yeah, it was completely introduced and rolled out differently in Mass. sorry. No comparison really.

    When you hear them try and actually promote the ACA, it's freakin' hilarious to say the least.

    Let's see... how many MEN have you seen have a child? Hmmm...
    "If you like your plan, you can keep it; PERIOD." I wonder who said that. Obama maybe? Yeah.
    Now, if I can keep my health plan by his statement, then why is it being canceled? One Democrat (more actually) said because insurance companies can't sell the policy because no one wants to buy it now due to the lower cost, better policies on the exchange.

    Ok, a quick WTF???

    So, an insurance company is canceling policies that are currently being purchased, because now people don't want them? That makes absolutely not $#@!ing sense at all. They are canceling them because the government said they have to cancel the policies that don't comply with Obamacare.
    Oh wait F34R, that means they have to cancel bad policies so you can get a better one, at a lower cost. BULL $#@!! The bronze policy that we'll HAVE TO GET by law, is $480 more a month. We will get more coverage, including $#@! that doesn't even apply to us, but we'll have to pay for it anyways.

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    yawn...

    $#@! and moan all you want.
    the glitches will be fixed... amendments that make the bill stronger/better will probably be passed...

    it is law.

    the rest of it is just noise.

    Wake me up when something noteworthy/meaningful happens

    It’s the question-du-jour about the new health care law: Are people going to be able to keep their health insurance if they like it?

    President Barack Obama has several times said yes. We’ve been skeptical of that claim (along with a few other claims from the law’s supporters.) Last year, we rated his statement Half True.

    Obama’s statement had a reasonable point: His health care law does take pains to allow Americans to keep their health plan, especially people who get their insurance through work.

    But most people have never been able to keep their insurance through thick and thin. Even before the law took effect, a substantial number of policyholders were forced to switch plans every year. Figures from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office suggested that the law could increase that rate, not reduce it, even if Americans on balance benefit from the law’s provisions mandating comprehensive coverage.

    That complicated reality hasn’t stopped the law’s critics from attacking Obama for breaking a promise.

    David Axelrod, an Obama adviser, and U.S. Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., debated just that issue on MSNBC’s Morning Joe.

    Coburn focused on people who have to buy insurance on their own (it’s called the individual market) who have been receiving cancellation letters in recent days. "You're no longer eligible to buy your own plan, which was the No. 1 promise that the president made to the American people," Coburn said.

    Axelrod’s response: "The majority of people in this country, the vast majority of people in this country, are keeping their plan. People who are uninsured are going to have choices they never had before."

    We ran through the numbers and found that the individual market accounts for about 6 percent of Americans who now have health care. The health care law requires those policies to offer comprehensive coverage, and that means some of the old policies are no longer allowed.

    Experts told us there is no precise data to determine how many people will be forced to change health care plans, but they generally agreed the number will be small this year. We rated Axelrod’s statement Mostly True.

    Some of the law’s critics have talked about the cancellation notices together with the fact that healthcare.gov, the federal government’s online insurance marketplace, is plagued by problems and isn’t working properly.

    U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., said on Fox News that when you put those two things together, people getting cancellation notices from their insurers won’t be able to buy health insurance.

    "On this very day in Florida, it was announced that 300,000 people are going to lose their individual coverage because of Obamacare," Rubio said. "Now those people next year, they don’t have health insurance. They are going to owe the IRS money in the form of a fine. Where are they supposed to go now and buy that health insurance if the website isn’t working, if Consumer Reports is telling people to avoid the website?"

    Rubio is right about the people getting cancellation letters, but the letters also state that consumers will have "continuous health care coverage" and assigned them a particular plan, or gave them the option to contact Florida Blue and choose another plan.

    So their coverage is not dependent on being able to buy insurance through healthcare.gov, the government’s online marketplace. We rated his statement Mostly False.

    Finally, we checked this claim by White House senior adviser Valerie Jarrett: "FACT: Nothing in #Obamacare forces people out of their health plans. No change is required unless insurance companies change existing plans."

    We found that while it’s technically true that the insurer makes the final decision, the insurer’s choices are, to a great degree, limited by the law and the way it’s been implemented by the administration.

    Saying there’s "nothing" in the law that forces people out of their health plans is a pretty extreme claim -- one that implies that insurers who pull the plug on non-Obamacare-compliant plans are acting in some sort of government-free vacuum. Even if it’s technically true that the insurer pulls the plug on a plan, the insurer will only be doing this because the law itself and its implementing regulations have created a context in which, sooner or later, old-fashioned plans will inevitably pass into oblivion -- as the law always intended. We rated the statement False.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...an-keep-obama/
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    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    So basically, that quote backs up my problem. Thanks.
    yes. there will be an insignificant amount of $#@!ing. have a coke and a smile

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    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    Yeah, it was completely introduced and rolled out differently in Mass. sorry. No comparison really.

    When you hear them try and actually promote the ACA, it's freakin' hilarious to say the least.

    Let's see... how many MEN have you seen have a child? Hmmm...
    "If you like your plan, you can keep it; PERIOD." I wonder who said that. Obama maybe? Yeah.
    Now, if I can keep my health plan by his statement, then why is it being canceled? One Democrat (more actually) said because insurance companies can't sell the policy because no one wants to buy it now due to the lower cost, better policies on the exchange.

    Ok, a quick WTF???

    So, an insurance company is canceling policies that are currently being purchased, because now people don't want them? That makes absolutely not $#@!ing sense at all. They are canceling them because the government said they have to cancel the policies that don't comply with Obamacare.
    Oh wait F34R, that means they have to cancel bad policies so you can get a better one, at a lower cost. BULL $#@!! The bronze policy that we'll HAVE TO GET by law, is $480 more a month. We will get more coverage, including $#@! that doesn't even apply to us, but we'll have to pay for it anyways.

    smh
    Dude I know people who we're paying almost three times as much as you and they searched and found over 20 plans where they pay less than half now, plus they have better coverage.. It took them a few days but it worked. Stop believing all the crap you hear and get more facts. If you are getting screwed it's mostly by the provider like the person I described found out. Find another one. There are plenty out there who offer cheaper prices and better coverage .

    The aca is far from perfect but let's not act like the health care industry is all for it. They are also fighting it because we all know big businesses hate regulation because it prevents them from screwing people over and that's what the health care industry has been doing for years. This will force them to bring down prices, be more competitive and stop deciding who gets to have coverage . In other words it forces them to do their jobs and stop discriminating.


    . It will happen, but not overnight . The good thing is that they can't use PC as a reason to turn people away anymore .

    There is no way that everyone's health care is gonna just all of a sudden get cheaper . There is no way the law can do that and cover millions . Some people are gonna have to pay more , some less. Either way you look at it it's still better than what we had before which was people not covered and the bill being covered by tax payers.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    Dude I know people who we're paying almost three times as much as you and they searched and found over 20 plans where they pay less than half now, plus they have better coverage.. It took them a few days but it worked. Stop believing all the crap you hear and get more facts. If you are getting screwed it's mostly by the provider like the person I described found out. Find another one. There are plenty out there who offer cheaper prices and better coverage .

    The aca is far from perfect but let's not act like the health care industry is all for it. They are also fighting it because we all know big businesses hate regulation because it prevents them from screwing people over and that's what the health care industry has been doing for years. This will force them to bring down prices, be more competitive and stop deciding who gets to have coverage . In other words it forces them to do their jobs and stop discriminating.


    . It will happen, but not overnight . The good thing is that they can't use PC as a reason to turn people away anymore .

    There is no way that everyone's health care is gonna just all of a sudden get cheaper . There is no way the law can do that and cover millions . Some people are gonna have to pay more , some less. Either way you look at it it's still better than what we had before which was people not covered and the bill being covered by tax payers.




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    If that happens, it will change my stance completely. Other than the lies Obama said of course. I hate that $#@!. There isn't anything wrong with what I'm saying, it is ALL FACT.

    Fact: Obama said we will be able to keep our health care plan, and doctor. That isn't true at all.
    FACT: My plan is being canceled because it doesn't meet the Affordable Care Act criteria
    Fact: The plans I've found is costing my $400+ more per month with coverage WE DON'T NEED.
    Fact: Some dumbass Democrat (I'll have to get his name) was saying that insurance companies are canceling policies because there won't be a market for those policies.
    Fact: that dude is stupid as runny $#@!.

    Anyways... I will continue to keep trying to find something in my state that is cheaper, but gives me at least the same coverage. If that happens, I'll buy you whichever game, for whichever system you want. (xbox one, etc. Don't make me take a loan out on some rare special game lol)




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