General Politics Thread

[DayWalker]

still chuggin along...Obama camp is probably happy to see continued signs of slow improvement...


and Santorum? seriously GOP?

anybody but Mittens seems to be the motto of the primary... doesn't seem to be a viable alternative though...

[Blacksite]

Well, I've been reading up on Ron Paul lately and he seems like our best bet for America right now. I've lost faith in Obama and don't really care much for the other Republican party candidates (apart from Ron Paul). Don't even get me started on Rick Perry; the guy is a fucking moron.

[Sub-stance1]

The republican party is still in disarray. They still can't seem to get behind one candidate. They still think that a bad economy will get them elected and that will be their mistake. Some of them can't seem to stop saying stupid shit about minorities....then again they won't get that vote anyway and they know it. That's why they go to that extreme route.

[DayWalker]

The republican party is still in disarray. They still can't seem to get behind one candidate. They still think that a bad economy will get them elected and that will be their mistake. Some of them can't seem to stop saying stupid shit about minorities....then again they won't get that vote anyway and they know it. That's why they go to that extreme route.

Mittens has it in the bag... he's polling strongly in SC... a region I didn't think he had a chance of winning...

Obama v Mittens... should be interesting

[Sub-stance1]

Mittens has it in the bag... he's polling strongly in SC... a region I didn't think he had a chance of winning...

Obama v Mittens... should be interesting

yea..Its gonna be good. Its funny because all the shit the tea party has done has backfired on them. They don't approve of Willard and now they are trying to convince voters that he isn't a real conservative. Not surprised he is polling strong down there. They seem to lean wherever their anti-obama governor tells them too.

[TwentyThree]

I wish this race was over and done with. Its the same shit every three years and nothing really changes with the exceptions of thousands of new laws going into effect and our liberties going out the window. On December 31st Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act after he vowed not to pass it.

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[Blacksite]

I wish this race was over and done with. Its the same shit every three years and nothing really changes with the exceptions of thousands of new laws going into effect and our liberties going out the window. On December 31st Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act after he vowed not to pass it.

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Yeah, I read about that. I think the problem with Obama is that he's trying too hard to get on everyone's good side which is impossible. It's not even about the issue, per se, but the fact that he doesn't stick to his guns.

[TwentyThree]

Yeah, I read about that. I think the problem with Obama is that he's trying too hard to get on everyone's good side which is impossible. It's not even about the issue, per se, but the fact that he doesn't stick to his guns.

I don't know on who's good side hes trying to get by signing that garbage, but I hope he gets backlash from his own supporters over it.

[btbam]

Romney has the nomination in the bag. He will kill in New Hampshire, and and Carolina. When gets those, it'll snowball. Santorum pulled off a miracle in Iowa. Only reason he won, is because of the strong evangelical vote in the state and over a couple weeks, visited every county....every single one. Paul won't fair as well in others. Difference is, most states that have primaries also have people register under a certain party. Paul got young people votes, not republican votes, so his support is going to be young people registered as republicans, they do exist obviously, but not as strong support.

LOL F3AR at Mittens.

[Blacksite]

Yeah, Romney just won the New Hampshire primary. Ron Paul came in second though and Jon Hunstman finished third.

Let's see if you're right about South Carolina.

[Bigdoggy]

Even though paul will probably not make it, he even said something along the lines of "Even if I don't make it, I at least opened the door"

[Vulgotha]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/02/op...ands-debt.html

[Bigdoggy]

see, I don't agree that we need to spend more, if that was the case then Bush shouldn't have been able to create a more worse debt but he did and Obamas stimulus should have actually worked but it made it worse. spending is actually wrong because so far that is all that has been going on is spending more and more.

It let me in the link the first time but when I tried to back into that link you posted, it wouldn't work anymore o.O

[btbam]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/02/op...ands-debt.html

Awfully Keynsian don't you think? So all that stimulus was supposed to get us out of the ditch, but as far as I can see we're still digging and the ditch is getting bigger. Only thing more spending is going to accomplish is create shitpots of debt. I kinda agree that the debt issue has been blown out of porportion, but it is far from innocuous like he seems to imply. The economic collapse was manufactured by the Fed. They expanded credit with historic low interest rates beyond that of actual loanable funds, but the people doing the loaning confuse this expansion of credit with real lonable funds and inflation picks up the slack. The bubble busts when the mal-investments reveals there are too few resources to complete projects and waste occurs accruing a permanent loss of potential in the economy, and the interest rates rise. Only thing more spending is going to do, is grow the bubble bigger just making the inevitable collapse more destructive.

[Vulgotha]

Krugman is a huge proponent of Keynesian economics yes, but that's not really what I was focusing on (or agree with). What I agree with him on is the debt issue- we owe most of it to ourselves and if you look back at history we've been in similar situations (or worse) before.

It'd be different if our debt was owed, largely, to foreign nations.. But it's not. It's internalized.

Ron Paul has been saying this exact same thing.


I think our political elite are wholly incompetent. Whether we get Romney or Obama, we're just electing another stooge dingbat who will promise us the world but ultimately deliver nothing but the status quo.

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[btbam]

This will be a complete 180 on the topic, but apparently Romney is half Mexican...

[MATRIX 2]

[Sub-stance1]

This will be a complete 180 on the topic, but apparently Romney is half Mexican...

lol... I don't think so... Nothing La Raza about Willard. It doesn't really matter... Hispanics still won't vote for him. He could be related to Pancho Villa and it wouldn't get him the Hispanic vote.

[btbam]

lol... I don't think so... Nothing La Raza about Willard. It doesn't really matter... Hispanics still won't vote for him. He could be related to Pancho Villa and it wouldn't get him the Hispanic vote.

I'm serious man. His dad came to the us when he was 5. CNN covered it. And I agree he won't get the Hispanic vote. In fact only half of Romney will vote for him . Its an opertunity to start a whole new birther movement lol

[Sub-stance1]

I'm serious man. His dad came to the us when he was 5. CNN covered it. And I agree he won't get the Hispanic vote. In fact only half of Romney will vote for him

yea I heard about that story. it won't go over too well with Hispanics because the guy has been running since the 1990's and he never mentioned it before. They will only see that as desperation for the minority vote.

[Blacksite]

Sounds like Rick Perry dropped out of the race. Good news, right?

He's supporting Newt Gingrich though.

[TwentyThree]

Sounds like Rick Perry dropped out of the race. Good news, right?

He's supporting Newt Gingrich though.

Good thing, yes. I don't think his endorsement to Newt will make much difference in the GOP race though.

[SchaffinOSX]

I still prefer Obama over all of the GOP alternatives. Chances are, though, that there are a plethora of better independent candidates than the the incumbent president and the GOP candidates we have to choose from.

[weskurtz81]

I still prefer Obama over all of the GOP alternatives. Chances are, though, that there are a plethora of better independent candidates than the the incumbent president and the GOP candidates we have to choose from.

I don't know, not sure what Obama can/does do better than really any of the GOP candidates TBH. Other than Paul, and there are a number of things I don't agree with Ron Paul on, but other than him I don't think any of them are leaps and bounds better than Obama, but I don't think any are worse.

For instance, I don't think any of them would have struck down the Keystone Pipeline... Obama just pandered to environmentalists and killed it. They aren't just going to not do anything with the oil, we need it, we could use the jobs, and we have pipelines running all over this country, a few more wouldn't hurt anything. I could go on about things I don't like about him, but no point really. Bottom line, I don't think we are any worse off with him out of the White House, and likely might be a little better off.

[TwentyThree]

I still prefer Obama over all of the GOP alternatives. Chances are, though, that there are a plethora of better independent candidates than the the incumbent president and the GOP candidates we have to choose from.

After Bush's last term one thing I started looking for when choosing a candidate to support in times of war, is which candidate has the most US active military personal support behind them. After all they are the ones out there fighting these wars and have a better understanding of whats going on. There are many polls, charts indicating their support towards Ron Paul is greater than all of the rest of GOP candidates PUT TOGETHER.
In these 2012 elections our only alternative is Ron Paul.