General Politics Thread

[btbam]

DW,

I think you mentioned something about the Obama birth certificate a while back, just saw some convo online about that where Lou Dobbs was questioning it. Did he ever actually provide a birth certificate that showed he was born in the US?

It's just interesting that, after 2 years, this debate is still going on. Maybe it's just political fodder, but it just makes me curious.

If Donald Trump wants a birth certificate from Obama, I want a hair certificate from Trump!

[Duff-MaN_]

I dont live in America but please if it comes down to this, don't vote for Trump

[DayWalker]

I dont live in America but please if it comes down to this, don't vote for Trump

I am totally voting for him in the primaries.

naw... he's not running... just another spotlight grab by the Donald

[jj03]

DW,

I think you mentioned something about the Obama birth certificate a while back, just saw some convo online about that where Lou Dobbs was questioning it. Did he ever actually provide a birth certificate that showed he was born in the US?

It's just interesting that, after 2 years, this debate is still going on. Maybe it's just political fodder, but it just makes me curious.

I was talking with alex jones about that earlier..he says a official.certificate has never been shown. Despite requests.

[DayWalker]

its been posted over and over again.

bah- i am not gonna entertain this discussion... waste of time

[BATMAN_X]

RON PAUL!!! Charlie sheene as vp. How great would it be if obama couldn't score the dem nomination? These last 12 years remind me of a certain lewis black joke. "A republican in congress stands up and says 'i have a ****ty idea!!!' And then a democrate says 'and I can make it ****tier'"

[weskurtz81]

its been posted over and over again.

bah- i am not gonna entertain this discussion... waste of time

DW, it just seems to me all this would be easily put to rest if they were to show the "long form" birth certificate, the one with signatures etc on it. So, the conspiracy is, it would be VERY easy to produce that, so why don't they if they have it?

[Firefox]

Michael Palin 2012!

Every Sperm is Sacred!

[btbam]

i just don't think it will make a differnce, they already doubt his legitimacy, a piece of paper wouldn't change that, they'd just say its photoshopped. So i don't care if they show it or not because it won't change the debate at all.

[DayWalker]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/we...xrs=share_copy

for once BillO stomps on idiocy on his right instead of the his left... birthers try to pay attention.

... tho he is rather gentle.

[weskurtz81]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/we...xrs=share_copy

for once BillO stomps on idiocy on his right instead of the his left... birthers try to pay attention.

... tho he is rather gentle.

It's just his older age!

Interesting, good find, thanks for posting. Basically, looks like Trump is just full of it, trying to stir an old pot and get his name out there.... seems to be working.

[-Kwesnoth-]

First off. I hope Trump finds out that Barry was not born here. It'll will not only get him kicked out of office, But remove any changes he made.

And second. I honestly don't see many canididates out there that caught my eye. Maybe Adam West...think thats his name. And Palin..a lot because she wants to start drilling herem instead of keep buying overseas. Maybe she'll disband the EPA.

[DayWalker]

And Palin..a lot because she wants to start drilling herem instead of keep buying overseas. Maybe she'll disband the EPA.

I am totally behind her.

too bad she's a coward and doesn't have the balls to run

[-Kwesnoth-]

Yeah, but there are so many right wings out there that hate her. I would totally back her if she ran for President. With maybe Chuck Norris..or Adam West as her VP.

[weskurtz81]

First off. I hope Trump finds out that Barry was not born here. It'll will not only get him kicked out of office, But remove any changes he made.

And second. I honestly don't see many canididates out there that caught my eye. Maybe Adam West...think thats his name. And Palin..a lot because she wants to start drilling herem instead of keep buying overseas. Maybe she'll disband the EPA.

I think Adam West is the old Batman, from the original TV series. I do agree with drilling in the US, but I don't think disbanding the EPA would be a good idea unless some other agency would keep an eye on pollution etc, otherwise we would end up like China.

[Seahawkk]

I am totally behind her.

too bad she's a coward and doesn't have the balls to run

Palin is a joke, she should be no where near an office

[-Kwesnoth-]

I think Adam West is the old Batman, from the original TV series. I do agree with drilling in the US, but I don't think disbanding the EPA would be a good idea unless some other agency would keep an eye on pollution etc, otherwise we would end up like China.

Pollution is a joke. That one volcanic burp in New Zealand sent out more pollution into the air then people have since we started polluting.

[Kydosan]

Pollution is a joke. That one volcanic burp in New Zealand sent out more pollution into the air then people have since we started polluting.

Nice urban legend.

[weskurtz81]

Pollution is a joke. That one volcanic burp in New Zealand sent out more pollution into the air then people have since we started polluting.

Try hanging out in Bejing for a while, if you don't wear a mask you'd probably come down with black lung. I don't want to live somewhere that you can't breath the air, can't eat the fish due to chemical's in the water, can't drink the ground water.... etc etc etc. If there are no rules on this stuff, and no one to enforce the rules, what's to stop people from taking the easiest route to get rid of noxious chemicals, air pollutants, etc?

[btbam]

Try hanging out in Bejing for a while, if you don't wear a mask you'd probably come down with black lung. I don't want to live somewhere that you can't breath the air, can't eat the fish due to chemical's in the water, can't drink the ground water.... etc etc etc. If there are no rules on this stuff, and no one to enforce the rules, what's to stop people from taking the easiest route to get rid of noxious chemicals, air pollutants, etc?

You can thank Pearl River Capitalism and the new right in China for that.

[weskurtz81]

You can thank Pearl River Capitalism and the new right in China for that.

Well, they are obviously doing something right, and China is in a much better financial position than they were before, they are sprinting into the modern era, but they are lacking when it comes to environmental controls and the people (not only in China) are suffering because of it.

Really though, it's likely something that every nation went through during industrialization, which is where they currently are, things will change in the coming years in regards to this topic.

[btbam]

Well, they are obviously doing something right, and China is in a much better financial position than they were before, they are sprinting into the modern era, but they are lacking when it comes to environmental controls and the people (not only in China) are suffering because of it.

Really though, it's likely something that every nation went through during industrialization, which is where they currently are, things will change in the coming years in regards to this topic.

That is actually part of the debate going on in China between the New Right and New Left. There is a great book called What China Thinks. Its a book on the intellectual debates in China and capitalism is one of the first. The interesting thing is, both the New Left and New Right embrace captialism but slighly different forms of capitalsim known as Pearl River which is laizzez faire and Yellow River which appears to be more environmentally and social concious capitalism. The current president Hu Jintao seems to favor the New Left, and his successor favors the New Left too, but the successor of the 2nd in command (can't remember his name now) favors the New Right. So it will be interesting to see which path the economy develops along the next few years esp post Hu.

[kuku]

It's funny about Trump playing the birther's card

1: Hawaiian law would jail him for trying to post birth certificates or lackthereof of obama.
3: Obama and/or Hilary would have won anyway because McCain was born in Panama Canal. Defaulting him.

Palin I don't think has much of a chance because she can't make money while running, and well it's easy to topple her in the general. She's one crazy bird. You can make Palin jokes all day.

The no name's that have been getting some eyebrows in the GOP are all overly conservative in a general as well, and no name recognition. Especially now that the midwest has poked the sleeping union giant. They'll have no luck there anymore.

But then a young unknown senator from chicago out of nowhere became President...

It's going to be interesting, given that the generally battleground midwest has well...been a-holes of GOP-ism. Unions maybe going to be the anti-tea baggers then.

[jj03]

Won't make a difference who runs or wins.

But I wouldn't like to see Charlie Sheen as president of america. All his B.S would be intolerable due to what a ****ing t**t he is...winning? Lmao..no...no your not sheen..not at all.

[kuku]

That is actually part of the debate going on in China between the New Right and New Left. There is a great book called What China Thinks. Its a book on the intellectual debates in China and capitalism is one of the first. The interesting thing is, both the New Left and New Right embrace captialism but slighly different forms of capitalsim known as Pearl River which is laizzez faire and Yellow River which appears to be more environmentally and social concious capitalism. The current president Hu Jintao seems to favor the New Left, and his successor favors the New Left too, but the successor of the 2nd in command (can't remember his name now) favors the New Right. So it will be interesting to see which path the economy develops along the next few years esp post Hu.

China's a complicated situation because it's unique and similar at the same time. The closest we have is Japan (1960s-1980s) comparisons.

China is debt free but extremely reliant on it's export and most importantly it's pegging to the dollar. The second problem is it's restate problem, which is reminiscing of the Japan demise of 1990.

There are tangents and there are convergence's. Like their military strengthening and muscling, to their global strong arming, to their imminent real-estate bubble( oh it's massively huge a easily can be Japan-fied), to their economic problems.

The only thing we can take from china is what happens when(and we know it's going to) their real estate bubble bursts. Japan never recovered from theirs as we know.

And how the US and the rest of the world deal with China's export strong arming. It's heading to a stand-off give or take 3-5years. My bet is we are going to just choke them and move to vietnam or something, as things get more rowdy.