Anonymous hacked

[Blaze7071]

Lol you people do realize that it is highly unlikely that the users of the sites he got the IP's from were using a proxy or whatever to mask their IP every time they used the site? He probably took the ones that were the most common appearing of the users and posted those.

Oh and just because you use a proxy doesn't mean you can't be tracked. A good hacker can track an IP through 100 proxies if he knows what he is doing. You can always ALWAYS trace something back to the source, especially when it comes to the Internet.
Trust me if Sony or the FBI wanted to find these guys, they would find them simple as. You really think these people are smarter than the FBI?(Or whoever would be hired to track them down). They may not be amateurs, but they would obviously not be the smartest out there.

And before you come at me with 'you can erase your presence from anywhere on the internet', that's untrue. Someone could always know a different way of tracking you down that you are unaware of or don't know how to cover up.

[jonathanm1978]

Just as I said, there's not a perfect crime or one that doesn't have suspects. There's no way that they don't have an idea of where to look for the ones responsible. It may not be immediate, but someone, somewhere will know enough about this that they start yearning the reward more than the illegal "hiding out", and they'll give up the goody on the ones who did it, or the ones who know detailed personal info. It doesnt take much pressure, and the norm for hackers when faced with prison time is to squeal..hackers are NOT hardened criminals who have nothing to lose...

[Goobax]

Trust me if Sony or the FBI wanted to find these guys, they would find them simple as. You really think these people are smarter than the FBI?(Or whoever would be hired to track them down). They may not be amateurs, but they would obviously not be the smartest out there.

So are you saying they don't want to find them? Because last i heard not 1 arrest has been made. IF it was as easy as you say to track, there would have been no second intrusions since the first ddos attack and everyone involved would be locked up right?

[Eildydar]

I agree with just about everything you said, including the PSN breach however, The WiFi's that are being cracked are already secured with state of the art security protocols 64, 128WEP and so on. As long as there are locks and codes, there will be those that will pick, crack and hack. So the Supreme Court doesn't need to impose common sense on everyone, it's kind of like tying your shoes before you go out. The secure wifi is what some are intruding upon so, what can the Supreme Court do? - I do thank you for the intelligent conversation, my first post was written after reading posts written by very in-informed folks...I was simply raising awareness, as there most definitely are several upset PSN users on "the list" of ip's that was released. And most with a little experience and free knowledge can prevent their real ip from showing up for better security. I must leave now, but again, thank you for a rational conversation which has been hard to come by lately. -Best Regards

You pretty much lose all credibility when coming to set us straight on the info when you refer to WEP as state of the art. WEP hasn't been state of the art for probably close to 5 years and can be cracked in about 3-5 minutes....

[jonathanm1978]

So are you saying they don't want to find them? Because last i heard not 1 arrest has been made. IF it was as easy as you say to track, there would have been no second intrusions since the first ddos attack and everyone involved would be locked up right?

I'm sure they are building a case against them, and they don't want to arrest only one if they know there are more than one involved. usually things of this nature take some time to gather evidence and subpoena information.

[Crash APPA]

I'm sure they are building a case against them, and they don't want to arrest only one if they know there are more than one involved. usually things of this nature take some time to gather evidence and subpoena information.

This is a good read here:

http://josephevers.blogspot.com/

Some of the main players have been revealed and have been arrested for various charges previously. People have been gathering information on some Anonymous for awhile now. The extent to which I have seen simple google, business license, and incarceration searches revealing information is amazing. I am sure the FBI know a lot more than these amateur sleuths have been blogging about.

Crash

http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?i...68013229901285

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/...hackers-123076

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...er-factory.ars


This site WAS working with lag issues but, now it has all but been shut down just like 2 of the irc sites:

http://www.opanonymous.com/

Civil war can be a b!t*h.

Crash

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...us-attacks.ars

http://rpgamex.com/news/brink-out-to...rk-still-dark/

[jonathanm1978]

This is a good read here:

http://josephevers.blogspot.com/

Some of the main players have been revealed and have been arrested for various charges previously. People have been gathering information on some Anonymous for awhile now. The extent to which I have seen simple google, business license, and incarceration searches revealing information is amazing. I am sure the FBI know a lot more than these amateur sleuths have been blogging about.

Crash

I'm doing a bit of digging on my own, as I'd like to find what I can.

[ERC1980]

ahh yes

get ready cyber terrorists, for your anuses are that much closer to being stretched out as wide as they possibly can be! (Bubba will do the honors)

[TheTenth666]

these guys, call them hackers or pirates, most likely wouldn't have enough money to pay the fine they'd get sentenced with, so their only luck to not have to pay for all their lives is to give away as much other hackers as they can to reduce their sentence, which will work very well as of course these dumb*sses are not very courageous either

[edd]

I hope some justice comes from this.

[edd]

they r lyk a little girl with a new dolly

[Coolbas3]

They really need a job...

[MedicDog]

they r lyk a little girl with a new dolly

omg rly? no wai!!!11!!oneone!!eleven

Anyway, wow, IP logs, how does that list show who's hacking? The ones who're hacking will obviously be spoofing their IP, but the ones who aren't might not either be;

A) Smart enough.
B) Just seeing whats going on.

The IRC channel was public so yeah, members of the public will be viewing it, duh.
But screw it, i'll join in, "THERES THE IP ADDYZ ARREST ANYONE ON THAT LIST, IMPRISON THEM WITHOUT TRIAL".

[Bligmerk]

There does seem to be confirmation they are splintering. Even some members a few weeks ago admitted several got frightened by the news that Homeland Security was being brought into the investigations. There did seem to be rumblings there were divisions forming within, about what they were trying to do and how they were going about it.

It would be really dumb to expect the FBI to post weekly developments in their investigation, like "Press Release: We are observing an Anonymous suspect now in his mother's basement at Cedar Lane". The FBI is going to collect evidence for a long time before they start moving in. They have issued search warrants, they have suspects, there are some raids being made. If this splintering is happening, then the real breakthrough would be if some started snitching on other members, especially if they think they can get some kind of immunity or states evidence deal. Then the flood gates would open and there will be more news of arrests and prosecutions. It will take time though.

[Seahawkk]

There does seem to be confirmation they are splintering. Even some members a few weeks ago admitted several got frightened by the news that Homeland Security was being brought into the investigations. There did seem to be rumblings there were divisions forming within, about what they were trying to do and how they were going about it.

It would be really dumb to expect the FBI to post weekly developments in their investigation, like "Press Release: We are observing an Anonymous suspect now in his mother's basement at Cedar Lane". The FBI is going to collect evidence for a long time before they start moving in. They have issued search warrants, they have suspects, there are some raids being made. If this splintering is happening, then the real breakthrough would be if some started snitching on other members, especially if they think they can get some kind of immunity or states evidence deal. Then the flood gates would open and there will be more news of arrests and prosecutions. It will take time though.

do you really think members of anon know anything about the others?

[cloudfire]

I see from several articles published the last few days that members of anonymous refer to "the leaders" when speaking of the group. There has to be someone who pull the strings and plan the attacks. With this IP list out and the internal conflict it is only a matter of time before FBI and Homeland will understand how they operate etc. Justice will be served and i will be there in the crowd, raising my pitchfork screaming "HANG HIM" when they are all shown to the public with a rope hanging over them.

Cyber terrorists that is what they are. One thing for shure is that they have gotten a whole lot more enemies with their attack on PSN. Let us pray we hunt down every single one of them.

[jonathanm1978]

I see from several articles published the last few days that members of anonymous refer to "the leaders" when speaking of the group. There has to be someone who pull the strings and plan the attacks. With this IP list out and the internal conflict it is only a matter of time before FBI and Homeland will understand how they operate etc. Justice will be served and i will be there in the crowd, raising my pitchfork screaming "HANG HIM" when they are all shown to the public with a rope hanging over them.

Cyber terrorists that is what they are. One thing for shure is that they have gotten a whole lot more enemies with their attack on PSN. Let us pray we hunt down every single one of them.

The FBI is already aware of that IP list, and I'm sure it's being investigated, including the blogspot posting that is available.

[eagle2010]

Apparently none of you ever heard of a proxy server and there are programs out there that can shield your ip address and any hacker or security specialist even on their own chats. So even posting their ip addresses won't help locate them. So posting old ip addresses won't help at all. I can make my computer look like it's in china or anywhere I want just by using a proxy server, which I use for computer security purposes cause I don't want some jackass tracking my Internet usage that is why I use it.


Insult removed. -Ixion

[jonathanm1978]

Apparently none of you ever heard of a proxy server and there are programs out there that can shield your ip address and any hacker or security specialist even on their own chats. So even posting their ip addresses won't help locate them. So posting old ip addresses won't help at all. I can make my computer look like it's in china or anywhere I want just by using a proxy server, which I use for computer security purposes cause I don't want some jackass tracking my Internet usage that is why I use it.

You're calling people losers because you think proxies are safe? Proxies are so transparent that it only takes the proper person with the right credentials about 5 minutes to find the proxy and get the pertinent information needed to find the true IP. Keep on thinking that people who know better than to believe proxies are a save-all for surfing the internet, you should do just fine until DoHS knocks if you're doing something you shouldn't. Trust me, I've seen the methods needed to be "anonymous" online, and it AINT proxies.

And demeaning people who know better and possess a better street smarts on the issue is quite unbecoming, hopefully you didn't join the site just to say this, because it's a feeble attempt at trying to get folks to believe you.
Sure, some kiddies with scripts might think proxies will be their saving grace in the "anonops" and LOIC they are using, but it's not, and I know better, as do many others.

You connect to a proxy server. SOMEONE has a log of your connection to them (mainly the proxy host). Think they can't be touched? You're wrong. Try telling that to people who are being sued by Dish Network for running IKS server farms with 15 to 20 sub cards listening online, and using proxies. They still got busted, and it didn't take much effort to find their TRUE IP.

[thelastjef]

if this is all true, good for sony sucks for anonymous, as for me just waiting patiently for some psn.

[rbrtchng]

I can list lawsuit after lawsuit from Dish Network --- via my PACER account -- where people thought they were hiding and nobody could find them, so they used something called IKS (internet key sharing). (basically, a dish network card creates what is called a control word when the receiver asks for auth to decode the picture, the card uses an intense algorithm to get the proper control word, once it's derived -- every 8 to 10 seconds a new control word is requested -- it's sent to the receiver, checked and picture is decoded and viewed by the satellite box.) IKS is a way of broadcasting the control words with an in-depth method of grabbing the control word before it's caught by the receiver, and it's sent over the internet to people who are connected to the IKS server..and they get all the channels.

Dish has gone after people and won every case they've tried on the matter...and people claimed to "never be caught" etc..


Fact of the matter is, I got a friend who's one of the BEST there is when it comes to net admin, and he personally told me that the ONLY way to be safe with that sort of thing is by using a hacked modem -- which is near impossible -- and editing the MAC address of the modem as well. But even if you do use a hacked modem, most ISPS can narrow down what node a hacked modem is on, so they have a general idea of where the person is. Cross referencing then is used to locate down to a block or so..and all of this is done without any personal info being "stolen" or accessed illegally. You'd be surprised how many people will tell you they will never be caught, but are among the worst when it comes to knowing what it takes to truly hide on the internet.

If our FBI is that smart, we would've caught Osama years ago (hint: it's that fortress with the burning garbage across the street).

[jonathanm1978]

If our FBI is that smart, we would've caught Osama years ago (hint: it's that fortress with the burning garbage).

There's a bit of difference in the FBI, and the CIA. FBI wasn't actively involved in the hunt for Bin Laden like the CIA was.

And we're not talking about a mastermind terrorist leader who's over a group of jihadists. We're talking about script-kiddie hackers, most of whom are FAR from being hardened criminals, likely many have never held a gun, must-less fired one, and who are hiding behind the safety of a computer screen. Likely the ones responsible for the PSN breach are so fearful of even being arrested and put in a drunk tank, must-less doing hard time for a conviction of data theft that they would squeal on their own family if it came to it.

All it takes is a bit of profiling of who likely is responsible for the PSN breach..it's not a government cover-up or international espionage. And until they get a court date, nobody will know they've even got a clue..then they'll bust in and take the folks they suspect of doing it.

[rbrtchng]

There's a bit of difference in the FBI, and the CIA. FBI wasn't actively involved in the hunt for Bin Laden like the CIA was.

Then I'm even more disappointed in our efforts.

[jonathanm1978]

Then I'm even more disappointed in our efforts.

As were most Americans, hence the reason they almost disbanded the CIA a few years after 9/11. The major shake-up at the CIA in replacing the heads was primarily because of the concerns involving the agency not being able to provide enough information to merit their purpose.

And if you paid close attention during the Bin Laden killing, quite a few news/media outlets mentioned the government saying that the CIA wanted to make sure it was known they were a major player in finding him, and they needed the credit for pinpointing his location.

And we're also looking at a Pakistani government that likely knew Bin Laden was there, and kept things hidden from the USA and intelligence. Obviously the CIA isn't made up of entire countries, as Pakistan is, and since they are masters at keeping hidden over the years, it's not any surprise that the CIA didn't know how to go about finding him. The Al-quaeda leaders are very much professionals at hiding...but that isn't the topic here.

neither is the CIA the topic..but the info is freely available to find if you do some searching.

[Bitbydeath]

do you really think members of anon know anything about the others?

If they don't know anything then i'm sure it'll only get worse for them when they start capturing and torturing them.