Hang out at the ForzaCentral website for a while, they'll be happy to point out all of the things that are wrong with each car model. But I will admit the actual consistency is much better than previous games.
The earlier games were much more obvious. The worst was the first, but all of them have consistency problems because they outsource the car modeling to two different dev houses, one in Japan, the other in India. I'll let you guess which dev house produces the best car models.
BUT... in previous games, some of the car models were VERY bad.
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That's all great but I honestly don't think its the reason why they chose to have that bullet point about Forza 4 - I think the reason is because of the fact that GT5 is FAR from having consistent modeling through-out the game and they want everyone to realize it. Frankly I don't blame them - its a valid point.
Originally Posted by Completely Average
Hang out at the ForzaCentral website for a while, they'll be happy to point out all of the things that are wrong with each car model. But I will admit the actual consistency is much better than previous games.
The earlier games were much more obvious. The worst was the first, but all of them have consistency problems because they outsource the car modeling to two different dev houses, one in Japan, the other in India. I'll let you guess which dev house produces the best car models.
BUT... in previous games, some of the car models were VERY bad.
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Man, if this thread doesn't get a rep+, I don't know when anyone should get one. Great work on this thread, and wow.... What a great game.
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Originally Posted by gillmanjr
Oh I agree with why they put it there, it was clearly a swipe taken at GT5.
My point is it's a bit of the pot calling the kettel black on that issue.
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Soldier 95B..... +rep for a thread well put togather
My god this game is really awsome, with 500 cars to have at the start and the social aspect is just out of this world
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Thanks, appreciate the feedback claud3.
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Yeah, this is a great thread that you made. Originally Posted by Soldier 95B
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Loving the cockpit gameplay video, they've made great strides in that area over Forza 3 it seems. Is there anything know about the World Tour mode? Or the number of real world circuits? Maybe a bit early for that sort of information, but I'm curious anyway.
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Originally Posted by Metal Warrior
Known Cars ( FM4 has 500+ cars from 80+ manufacturers)
Abarth
2010 500 esseesse
Alfa Romeo
2007 8C Competizione
2011 Giulietta Quadrifoglio Verde
AMC
1971 Javelin-AMX
Aston Martin
2010 ONE-77
2010 V12 Vantage
Audi
2010 R8 Coupe 5.2 FSI quattro
2010 S4
Bentley
2010 Platinum Motorsport Bentley Continental GT
BMW Motorsport
2011 1 Series M Coupe
2011 550i xDrive
2011 Z4 sDrive35is
Bugatti
2009 Veyron 16.4
Cadillac
2011 CTS-V Coupe
Chevrolet
2010 Camaro SS
1969 Camaro SS Coupe
1970 Chevelle SS 454
1967 Corvette Sting Ray 427
2009 Corvette ZR1 (C6)
1970 El Camino SS 454
Dodge
1970 Challenger R/T Hemi
1969 Charger R/T-SE
2008 Viper SRT10 ACR
Ferrari
1998 #12 Risi Competizione F333 SP
1957 250 Testa Rossa
2010 458 Italia
2011 599 GTO
2009 California
2002 Enzo Ferrari
Ford
2009 Fiesta Zetec S
2009 Focus RS
2005 Ford GT
1970 Mustang Boss 429
1965 Mustang GT Coupe
2010 Shelby GT500
Gumpert
2010 apollo S
Honda
2011 CR-Z EX
2009 Fit Sport
Jaguar
1993 XJ220
2010 XFR
Joss
2010 JT1
KIA
2011 cee'd
Koenigsegg
2011 Agera
2006 CCX
Lamborghini
2010 Murciélago LP670-SV
2008 Reventón
Lexus
2009 IS-F
2010 LFA
1997 SC300
Lotus
2009 Evora
McLaren
1994 F1
2011 MP4-12C
Mercedes-Benz
2010 C63 AMG
2006 SLR McLaren
2011 SLS AMG
Mercury
1970 Cougar Eliminator
MINI
2011 John Cooper Works Clubman
Mitsubishi
2010 Colt Ralliart
2008 Lancer Evolution X GSR
Morgan
2010 Aero SuperSports
Mosler
2010 MT900S
Nissan
2010 370Z (Z34)
2010 GT-R SpecV (R35)
Pagani
2010 Zonda Cinque Roadster
Peugeot
2009 #9 Peugeot Sport Total 908 HDi FAP
Plymouth
1971 Cuda 426 Hemi
Pontiac
1973 Firebird Trans Am SD-455
RUF
2011 RGT-8
Scion
2009 xD
Shelby
1968 Mustang GT-500KR
Spyker
2010 C8 Laviolette LM85
Subaru
2011 Impreza WRX STI
Tesla
2011 Roadster Sport
Toyota
1999 #3 Toyota Motorsports GT-ONE TS020
TVR
2005 Sagaris
Wiesmann
2010 GT MF5
Known Tracks (FM4 will have 20 Envorinments with over 100 different track layouts.)
Autodromo Internazionale del Mugello (Italy)
Bernese Alps (Switzerland)
Circuit de Catalunya (Spain)
Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca (USA)
Indianapolis Motor Speedway (USA)
Road Atlanta (USA)
Sebring International Raceway (USA)
Silverstone Racing Circuit (England)
Suzuka Circuit (Japan)
Top Gear Test Track (England)
Tsukuba Circuit (Japan)
These are all confirmed either through screenshots or videos of Forza 4.Last edited by Completely Average; 06-14-2011 at 14:17.
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20 environments? Seriously? That can't be right can it? It wouldn't even be the slightest improvement over Forza 3. Major disappointment if true. It's all about circuits for me personally. Originally Posted by Completely Average
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"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Completely Average again." Originally Posted by Completely Average
Funny thing is, I don't recall giving you any, lol.
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Don't you think they will probably include most of the cars from Forza 3? I guess they can't include all of them because with the DLC FM3 has over 550 I believe. But I bet they will keep all the Ferraris, Porsches, Lambos, Astons, etc from FM3 and just add to it with newer models. Originally Posted by Completely Average
Once again I am not seeing Porsche, but rather Ruf. I am going to be so unbelievably INCREDIBLY unhappy if Forza 4 doesn't have Porsche. Porsche is by far my favorite car maker and this is the only racing sim that has them.Last edited by gillmanjr; 06-14-2011 at 22:38.
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I'm sure they'll keep the vast majority of cars from the previous games. Originally Posted by gillmanjr
But these are CONFIRMED cars to be in the game so far, either through official screenshots or gameplay video.
As for Porsche, I would be floored if they weren't in the game. Porsche has been one of the premier manufacturers in every 1st party MS racer from the GT1 in the first Project Gotham games to the Carrera GT and 911s from the Forza games. I cannot believe they've been replaced by RUF, I just think the RUF has been added.
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Porsche will most likely not be in the game. EA has the rights to Porsche so I wouldn't expect a Porsche in any future racing games outside of EA published titles until their contract is up. Originally Posted by Completely Average
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But EA also had Porsches during the other Forza's, so I don't think that's necessarily the reason. I'd say it's still very possible that Forza 4 will have Porsches. Maybe there are some difficulties regarding the license so they can't show them yet, but I can't imagine MS won't pull out all the stops to make sure they can continue to have Porsches in their game. Originally Posted by Arthur Spooner
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New video from Aqua:
As for Porsche, already confirmed for FM4.
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Originally Posted by Soldier 95B
Are you 100% sure? Where did you get that info?
I have to say...if Porsche is not included I will be so disappointed that my excitement for this game is going to drop dramatically, seriously Porsche being in this game is a HUGE HUGE deal for me.
They can't really keep the "vast majority" of cars from FM3 because there were over 550 if you include the DLC packs, there will probably be a little less than that at the launch of FM4. A lot of SICK cars have come out in the last 2-3 years that will defo be added to FM4, especially the Lambo Aventador, Ferrari FF, new Lotus Esprit, and hopefully the new 2013 model 911s get added (if there is Porsche) or maybe those will be an add on. Originally Posted by Completely Average
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Based on the talk over at GAF I thought it was something like EA's deal with Porsche wasn't in full effect yet or something back when FM3 was in development so they were working out some shared licensing thing with MS/Turn10. I thought I remember reading not to expect Porsche in any games outside of EA products after FM3. Originally Posted by Metal Warrior
But I might have misread or misunderstood. I sure hope so at least. RUF doesn't cut it.
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Well if EA has exclusive there's nothing we can really do about it. I would be gutted tho too. That's life I guess. Game looks ridiculous anyway. Best racer ever confirmed by me lol
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Originally Posted by gillmanjr
What kind of strange definition do you have for the phrase "vast majority"?
Last time I checked a dictionary, that phrase does NOT mean "ALL", it means 'MOST".
So Forza 4 will keep MOST of the cars from Forza 3.
Do you disagree with that?
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Well then, someone at GAF doesn't know what they are talking about. Originally Posted by Arthur Spooner
MS sub-licensed the use of Porsche cars from EA for previous MS games. They did that for both the PGR and Forza games. EA has held the Porsche license since NFS Porsche Unleashed, but they've always been willing to sub-license the cars out to other games...... For a price.
The question is, does MS want to pay that price? Polyphony Digital didn't, which is why they don't have Porsches. MS has in the past, but they may have decided not to with FM4 in order to save on development costs.
For now, we'll just have to take a wait and see approach. Porsche inclusion is currently neither confirmed nor denied by Turn10.
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Look the point of forza 4 as all know is to improve on forza 3 and they have brought old cars back from the brink. Yes they are old but why fix something that is not broke. One last thing, the choice of cars since the release of forza 3 is not the cream crop of the auto world. With a recession in the world a line up of new and well oiled vehicles is not screaming of the fort court...
Just noticed a official pass system turn 10 have put in the game and it must add to the credits you get, for passing without hitting an opponent... Originally Posted by Aquanox
Last edited by claud3; 06-19-2011 at 00:38.
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It doesn't just mean "most". The exact definition has been debated but it means, at a minimum, OVER 80%. "Most" just means more than half, which I do agree with - I said in my original post that they will keep MOST of the cars. Originally Posted by Completely Average
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Anyone? Originally Posted by smiggy
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i seen a passing system in the game as i stated in one of my posts. I wonder if it will effect your credits at the end of the race and can you turn it of....
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