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    Hang out at the ForzaCentral website for a while, they'll be happy to point out all of the things that are wrong with each car model. But I will admit the actual consistency is much better than previous games.

    The earlier games were much more obvious. The worst was the first, but all of them have consistency problems because they outsource the car modeling to two different dev houses, one in Japan, the other in India. I'll let you guess which dev house produces the best car models.



    BUT... in previous games, some of the car models were VERY bad.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Completely Average View Post
    Hang out at the ForzaCentral website for a while, they'll be happy to point out all of the things that are wrong with each car model. But I will admit the actual consistency is much better than previous games.

    The earlier games were much more obvious. The worst was the first, but all of them have consistency problems because they outsource the car modeling to two different dev houses, one in Japan, the other in India. I'll let you guess which dev house produces the best car models.



    BUT... in previous games, some of the car models were VERY bad.

    That's all great but I honestly don't think its the reason why they chose to have that bullet point about Forza 4 - I think the reason is because of the fact that GT5 is FAR from having consistent modeling through-out the game and they want everyone to realize it. Frankly I don't blame them - its a valid point.


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    Man, if this thread doesn't get a rep+, I don't know when anyone should get one. Great work on this thread, and wow.... What a great game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gillmanjr View Post
    That's all great but I honestly don't think its the reason why they chose to have that bullet point about Forza 4 - I think the reason is because of the fact that GT5 is FAR from having consistent modeling through-out the game and they want everyone to realize it. Frankly I don't blame them - its a valid point.


    Oh I agree with why they put it there, it was clearly a swipe taken at GT5.

    My point is it's a bit of the pot calling the kettel black on that issue.

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    Thanks, appreciate the feedback claud3.

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    Thanks, appreciate the feedback claud3.
    Yeah, this is a great thread that you made.

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    Loving the $#@!pit gameplay video, they've made great strides in that area over Forza 3 it seems. Is there anything know about the World Tour mode? Or the number of real world circuits? Maybe a bit early for that sort of information, but I'm curious anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metal Warrior View Post
    Loving the $#@!pit gameplay video, they've made great strides in that area over Forza 3 it seems. Is there anything know about the World Tour mode? Or the number of real world circuits? Maybe a bit early for that sort of information, but I'm curious anyway.

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    These are all confirmed either through screenshots or videos of Forza 4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Completely Average View Post
    Known Tracks (FM4 will have 20 Envorinments with over 100 different track layouts.)
    20 environments? Seriously? That can't be right can it? It wouldn't even be the slightest improvement over Forza 3. Major disappointment if true. It's all about circuits for me personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Completely Average View Post
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    Silverstone Racing Circuit (England)

    Suzuka Circuit (Japan)

    Top Gear Test Track (England)

    Tsukuba Circuit (Japan)



    These are all confirmed either through screenshots or videos of Forza 4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Completely Average View Post
    Known Cars ( FM4 has 500+ cars from 80+ manufacturers)

    Abarth
    2010 500 esseesse

    Alfa Romeo
    2007 8C Competizione
    2011 Giulietta Quadrifoglio Verde

    AMC
    1971 Javelin-AMX

    Aston Martin
    2010 ONE-77
    2010 V12 Vantage

    Audi
    2010 R8 Coupe 5.2 FSI quattro
    2010 S4

    Bentley
    2010 Platinum Motorsport Bentley Continental GT

    BMW Motorsport
    2011 1 Series M Coupe
    2011 550i xDrive
    2011 Z4 sDrive35is

    Bugatti
    2009 Veyron 16.4

    Cadillac
    2011 CTS-V Coupe

    Chevrolet
    2010 Camaro SS
    1969 Camaro SS Coupe
    1970 Chevelle SS 454
    1967 Corvette Sting Ray 427
    2009 Corvette ZR1 (C6)
    1970 El Camino SS 454

    Dodge
    1970 Challenger R/T Hemi
    1969 Charger R/T-SE
    2008 Viper SRT10 ACR

    Ferrari
    1998 #12 Risi Competizione F333 SP
    1957 250 Testa Rossa
    2010 458 Italia
    2011 599 GTO
    2009 California
    2002 Enzo Ferrari

    Ford
    2009 Fiesta Zetec S
    2009 Focus RS
    2005 Ford GT
    1970 Mustang Boss 429
    1965 Mustang GT Coupe
    2010 Shelby GT500

    Gumpert
    2010 apollo S

    Honda
    2011 CR-Z EX
    2009 Fit Sport

    Jaguar
    1993 XJ220
    2010 XFR

    Joss
    2010 JT1

    KIA
    2011 cee'd

    Koenigsegg
    2011 Agera
    2006 CCX

    Lamborghini
    2010 Murciélago LP670-SV
    2008 Reventón

    Lexus
    2009 IS-F
    2010 LFA
    1997 SC300

    Lotus
    2009 Evora

    McLaren
    1994 F1
    2011 MP4-12C

    Mercedes-Benz
    2010 C63 AMG
    2006 SLR McLaren
    2011 SLS AMG

    Mercury
    1970 Cougar Eliminator

    MINI
    2011 John Cooper Works Clubman

    Mitsubishi
    2010 Colt Ralliart
    2008 Lancer Evolution X GSR

    Morgan
    2010 Aero SuperSports

    Mosler
    2010 MT900S

    Nissan
    2010 370Z (Z34)
    2010 GT-R SpecV (R35)

    Pagani
    2010 Zonda Cinque Roadster

    Peugeot
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    Plymouth
    1971 Cuda 426 Hemi

    Pontiac
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    Tesla
    2011 Roadster Sport

    Toyota
    1999 #3 Toyota Motorsports GT-ONE TS020

    TVR
    2005 Sagaris

    Wiesmann
    2010 GT MF5


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    Autodromo Internazionale del Mugello (Italy)

    Bernese Alps (Switzerland)

    Circuit de Catalunya (Spain)

    Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca (USA)

    Indianapolis Motor Speedway (USA)

    Road Atlanta (USA)

    Sebring International Raceway (USA)

    Silverstone Racing Circuit (England)

    Suzuka Circuit (Japan)

    Top Gear Test Track (England)

    Tsukuba Circuit (Japan)



    These are all confirmed either through screenshots or videos of Forza 4.
    Don't you think they will probably include most of the cars from Forza 3? I guess they can't include all of them because with the DLC FM3 has over 550 I believe. But I bet they will keep all the Ferraris, Porsches, Lambos, Astons, etc from FM3 and just add to it with newer models.

    Once again I am not seeing Porsche, but rather Ruf. I am going to be so unbelievably INCREDIBLY unhappy if Forza 4 doesn't have Porsche. Porsche is by far my favorite car maker and this is the only racing sim that has them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gillmanjr View Post
    Don't you think they will probably include most of the cars from Forza 3? I guess they can't include all of them because with the DLC FM3 has over 550 I believe. But I bet they will keep all the Ferraris, Porsches, Lambos, Astons, etc from FM3 and just add to it with newer models.
    I'm sure they'll keep the vast majority of cars from the previous games.

    But these are CONFIRMED cars to be in the game so far, either through official screenshots or gameplay video.



    As for Porsche, I would be floored if they weren't in the game. Porsche has been one of the premier manufacturers in every 1st party MS racer from the GT1 in the first Project Gotham games to the Carrera GT and 911s from the Forza games. I cannot believe they've been replaced by RUF, I just think the RUF has been added.

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    I'm sure they'll keep the vast majority of cars from the previous games.

    But these are CONFIRMED cars to be in the game so far, either through official screenshots or gameplay video.



    As for Porsche, I would be floored if they weren't in the game. Porsche has been one of the premier manufacturers in every 1st party MS racer from the GT1 in the first Project Gotham games to the Carrera GT and 911s from the Forza games. I cannot believe they've been replaced by RUF, I just think the RUF has been added.
    Porsche will most likely not be in the game. EA has the rights to Porsche so I wouldn't expect a Porsche in any future racing games outside of EA published titles until their contract is up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Spooner View Post
    Porsche will most likely not be in the game. EA has the rights to Porsche so I wouldn't expect a Porsche in any future racing games outside of EA published titles until their contract is up.
    But EA also had Porsches during the other Forza's, so I don't think that's necessarily the reason. I'd say it's still very possible that Forza 4 will have Porsches. Maybe there are some difficulties regarding the license so they can't show them yet, but I can't imagine MS won't pull out all the stops to make sure they can continue to have Porsches in their game.

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    New video from Aqua:



    As for Porsche, already confirmed for FM4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier 95B View Post
    As for Porsche, already confirmed for FM4.

    Are you 100% sure? Where did you get that info?

    I have to say...if Porsche is not included I will be so disappointed that my excitement for this game is going to drop dramatically, seriously Porsche being in this game is a HUGE HUGE deal for me.


    Quote Originally Posted by Completely Average View Post
    I'm sure they'll keep the vast majority of cars from the previous games.

    But these are CONFIRMED cars to be in the game so far, either through official screenshots or gameplay video.



    As for Porsche, I would be floored if they weren't in the game. Porsche has been one of the premier manufacturers in every 1st party MS racer from the GT1 in the first Project Gotham games to the Carrera GT and 911s from the Forza games. I cannot believe they've been replaced by RUF, I just think the RUF has been added.
    They can't really keep the "vast majority" of cars from FM3 because there were over 550 if you include the DLC packs, there will probably be a little less than that at the launch of FM4. A lot of SICK cars have come out in the last 2-3 years that will defo be added to FM4, especially the Lambo Aventador, Ferrari FF, new Lotus Esprit, and hopefully the new 2013 model 911s get added (if there is Porsche) or maybe those will be an add on.
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    But EA also had Porsches during the other Forza's, so I don't think that's necessarily the reason. I'd say it's still very possible that Forza 4 will have Porsches. Maybe there are some difficulties regarding the license so they can't show them yet, but I can't imagine MS won't pull out all the stops to make sure they can continue to have Porsches in their game.
    Based on the talk over at GAF I thought it was something like EA's deal with Porsche wasn't in full effect yet or something back when FM3 was in development so they were working out some shared licensing thing with MS/Turn10. I thought I remember reading not to expect Porsche in any games outside of EA products after FM3.

    But I might have misread or misunderstood. I sure hope so at least. RUF doesn't cut it.

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    Well if EA has exclusive there's nothing we can really do about it. I would be gutted tho too. That's life I guess. Game looks ridiculous anyway. Best racer ever confirmed by me lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by gillmanjr View Post
    They can't really keep the "vast majority" of cars from FM3 because there were over 550 if you include the DLC packs,

    What kind of strange definition do you have for the phrase "vast majority"?

    Last time I checked a dictionary, that phrase does NOT mean "ALL", it means 'MOST".

    So Forza 4 will keep MOST of the cars from Forza 3.

    Do you disagree with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Spooner View Post
    Based on the talk over at GAF I thought it was something like EA's deal with Porsche wasn't in full effect yet or something back when FM3 was in development so they were working out some shared licensing thing with MS/Turn10. I thought I remember reading not to expect Porsche in any games outside of EA products after FM3.

    But I might have misread or misunderstood. I sure hope so at least. RUF doesn't cut it.
    Well then, someone at GAF doesn't know what they are talking about.

    MS sub-licensed the use of Porsche cars from EA for previous MS games. They did that for both the PGR and Forza games. EA has held the Porsche license since NFS Porsche Unleashed, but they've always been willing to sub-license the cars out to other games...... For a price.

    The question is, does MS want to pay that price? Polyphony Digital didn't, which is why they don't have Porsches. MS has in the past, but they may have decided not to with FM4 in order to save on development costs.

    For now, we'll just have to take a wait and see approach. Porsche inclusion is currently neither confirmed nor denied by Turn10.

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    Look the point of forza 4 as all know is to improve on forza 3 and they have brought old cars back from the brink. Yes they are old but why fix something that is not broke. One last thing, the choice of cars since the release of forza 3 is not the cream crop of the auto world. With a recession in the world a line up of new and well oiled vehicles is not screaming of the fort court...

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    It's not Direct-Feed but Ifor what can be seen, It's probably the prettiest racing game out there. Looks and "feels" fantastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Completely Average View Post
    What kind of strange definition do you have for the phrase "vast majority"?

    Last time I checked a dictionary, that phrase does NOT mean "ALL", it means 'MOST".

    So Forza 4 will keep MOST of the cars from Forza 3.

    Do you disagree with that?
    It doesn't just mean "most". The exact definition has been debated but it means, at a minimum, OVER 80%. "Most" just means more than half, which I do agree with - I said in my original post that they will keep MOST of the cars.


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    i seen a passing system in the game as i stated in one of my posts. I wonder if it will effect your credits at the end of the race and can you turn it of....
    Plato and Aristotle, a detail of The School of Athens, a fresco by Raphael. Aristotle gestures to the earth, representing his belief in knowledge

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