Building a PC (finally!) Budget = 1,000$

[Rapture]

Switched to the burner. What's the perks of that mobo over what's already selected?

[Vulgotha]

Yes.

I would swap the drive to a burner:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...scrollFullInfo

And I'd get this motherboard: (though you will have to wait for it to be in stock)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128500




Let me make myself undeniably clear.

For resolutions at/below 1920 X 1200/ 1920 X 1080 the 560 ti is more than enough. This is especially true when it is overclocked.

The 570/580's purpose is for resolutions above those just listed.

The economics don't add up.
There is an ~$80 (with rebate) difference between the oc'd evga 560 ti and base 570.

A base 560ti vs a base 570, the 570 yields around a max performance upgrade of 15% in the best cases.

Now if use a oc'd 560 ti, that performance difference will be more in the realm of ~7.5%.

$80 more for 7.5% isn't worth it. It would be better used somewhere else, or for a gpu upgrade down the line.

Spending more than $250 on a gpu is a foolish endeavor 99% of the time.
So in the end you are

You omit the fact that you can seriously overclock a GTX570, which I have done. I'm getting results that are above a GTX580 stock.

I also don't know where you're getting the idea that the GTX570 is meant for resolutions above 1920x1080p? What do you base this off of?

Calling the purchase of a GPU above $250 "Foolish" is just... Man I can't even describe how absurd that sounds to me lol. I mean I'd agree if we were talking like $400 or more, sure.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH &Description=GTX+570&x=0&y=0


~ $280ish after rebate for a GTX570 stock.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH &Description=GTX+560+ti&x=0&y=0

~ Around $200ish after rebate for a GTX560 ti



An overclocked GTX570 is a serious monster. It's going to propel you for a good long time in the PC gaming market.

[Rapture]

Matrix CPU
One I Found

Difference is just the integrated graphics, apparently, which I won't ever use. So I switched that out as well. I guess I'm ready to buy.

[Nuvian]

You omit the fact that you can seriously overclock a GTX570, which I have done. I'm getting results that are above a GTX580 stock.

I also don't know where you're getting the idea that the GTX570 is meant for resolutions above 1920x1080p? What do you base this off of?

Id like to know this as well, its not about which res you play in, it about which eye candy you got enabled, so this puzzles me quite a bit.

Try playing the witcher 2 at native res with ultra settings on a 560ti.....

[Vulgotha]

Resolution will definitely impact performance, but drawing an arbitrary line in the sand and saying "GTX570 is meant for 1080p+. fact. GTX560 TI is more than enough for 1080p and below"

I just don't get where\how he comes to that conclusion.

But you're right. I would say it is more about the eye candy that you enable.

[MATRIX 2]

You omit the fact that you can seriously overclock a GTX570, which I have done. I'm getting results that are above a GTX580 stock.

I also don't know where you're getting the idea that the GTX570 is meant for resolutions above 1920x1080p? What do you base this off of?

Calling the purchase of a GPU above $250 "Foolish" is just... Man I can't even describe how absurd that sounds to me lol. I mean I'd agree if we were talking like $400 or more, sure.

Considering how fast gpu's are refreshed and the requirements for gaming at 1080p or lower resolutions I find nothing wrong with my statement. The only need for >$250 gpu's is for gaming above 1080p, multi monitor gaming or 3d gaming. Since rapture will be doing non of those things I don't see the need for a GTX 570.

Also it is irrelevant that you can overclock the 570. Rapture won't be doing any oc'ing at all, so having a factoy oc'd and warrantied gpu is more important to him.

Matrix CPU
One I Found

Difference is just the integrated graphics, apparently, which I won't ever use. So I switched that out as well. I guess I'm ready to buy.

It's $10 dude. The 2500K is fully unlocked which allows for overclocking OR undervolting (you lower the voltage the cpu runs at in order to reduce power consumption and lower running temps) Trust me you will want to do that.

[Vulgotha]

Overclocking is so easy for GPU's it's not even funny... I mean EVGA provides an awesome tool, free, from their website. It's what I use.. It's as simple as sliding a little bar. I could even tell Rapture how to do it over STEAM in a matter of.. minutes.

Again, what metric do you use to determine that the GTX 570 is "only good" for 1080p+ gaming? Not only does this fly in the face of my own personal experience, but just.. oodles of review outlets out there who tout the GTX570 as the "king" of affordable gaming.

[MATRIX 2]

Overclocking is so easy for GPU's it's not even funny... I mean EVGA provides an awesome tool, free, from their website. It's what I use.. It's as simple as sliding a little bar. I could even tell Rapture how to do it over STEAM in a matter of.. minutes.

Again, what metric do you use to determine that the GTX 570 is "only good" for 1080p+ gaming? Not only does this fly in the face of my own personal experience, but just.. oodles of review outlets out there who tout the GTX570 as the "king" of affordable gaming.

His words not mine.

How do I determine that the 570 is for >1080p gaming? Benchmarks from various sites.

Nvidia has placed the 570/580 as their high end cards. The 590 is the extreme end. The midlevel gaming cards are the 560/560ti.

Considering the performance of the 560ti (even more so when overclocked) there is no real reason so spend $300 for a 570 for the gaming scenario we are looking at (1080p or less).

Honestly you could sli GTX 460's and get better performance than a 570 for less money. (Though I'm not a fan of multi gpu setups).

Or you could flash a 6950 to 6970 performance levels and come in <$250.

[Nuvian]

Resolution will definitely impact performance.

Yep i know, my point was mainly about high settings impact on the minimum FPS of a game even at 1900x1200/1080, i don't plan going above 1900x1200 on my current monitor and i just bought a 580GTX just so i will be able to play with everything (most) eye candy maxed.

560ti is just 15% faster then my old 5850 ati card which doesnt cut it anymore on the newer games with above medium settings.

[John25]

Why not go for an AMD CPU and use the spare cash towards the GPU (sure the Intel couterpart offers more power) but the Phenom II X6 Black Editions is real cheap and is more than Adequate for todays PC needs especially gaming.

[MATRIX 2]

Why not go for an AMD CPU and use the spare cash towards the GPU (sure the Intel couterpart offers more power) but the Phenom II X6 Black Editions is real cheap and is more than Adequate for todays PC needs especially gaming.

AMD isn't going to cut it

I looked up benchmarks of the GTX560 TI, and it only seems to barely outperform my current ATI 4850. I selected my own parts... not sure how well they really stand up though.

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/Pu...umber=16982392

@Tyrien: I know I can get gaming rig for cheaper prices. In fact, I helped my friend build his rig for 500$. But my current PC only cost be 800 dollars and it has lasted for 3 1/2 years. I want to get the best I can now because I want it to last at least 3 years, but hopefully 4.

Switched to the burner. What's the perks of that mobo over what's already selected?

Better reviewed, less likely to run into issues.

Also if you don't get the 2500k (you should though), then there is no point than getting a motherboard with video out.

[John25]

AMD isn't going to cut it







Better reviewed, less likely to run into issues.

Also if you don't get the 2500k (you should though), then there is no point than getting a motherboard with video out.

Why are AMD not going to cut it for PC/Gaming needs ???

[Vulgotha]

AMD CPU's are, core for core, clock for clock, inferior to Intel chips.

[John25]

AMD CPU's are, core for core, clock for clock, inferior to Intel chips.

oh of course I wasn't disputing that!! I was just sayin that they are more than Adequate for todays PC/Gaming needs. and are a lot cheaper too.

[MATRIX 2]

oh of course I wasn't disputing that!! I was just sayin that they are more than Adequate for todays PC/Gaming needs. and are a lot cheaper too.

That's the problem. They are just adequate today, imagine how they will hold up 2,3,4 years down the road. Not well at all.

[John25]

That's the problem. They are just adequate today, imagine how they will hold up 2,3,4 years down the road. Not well at all.

well I just picked up the AMD Black Edition Phenom II X6 1100T an im pretty sure that will be more than Adequate for my PC/Gaming needs for a few years yet

[MATRIX 2]

well I just picked up the AMD Black Edition Phenom II X6 1100T an im pretty sure that will be more than Adequate for my PC/Gaming needs for a few years yet

[keefy]

No PC lasts 4 years.
Mine is 3 yeas old and is way behind the times even with an upgraded graphics card due to old one breaking.
Its great for CS, TF2 Half Life, Portal 2 and Quake but more denanding games like bad company 2 it struggles.

[Rapture]

Also if you don't get the 2500k (you should though), then there is no point than getting a motherboard with video out.

I already switched back.

No PC lasts 4 years.
Mine is 3 yeas old and is way behind the times even with an upgraded graphics card due to old one breaking.
Its great for CS, TF2 Half Life, Portal 2 and Quake but more denanding games like bad company 2 it struggles.

The PC I'm on now is 3 1/2 years old, store-bought, cost 700$, and I installed a 200$ GPU a year after buying it. I can play most games at solid settings and framerates. Crysis max settings (not AA though) = 30-40FPS. BattleField 2 max settings (not AA) at about 25-30FPS. Not amazing, but still... I wonder how it would perform today if I had built it at the time instead of buying from a store.

[Bligmerk]

That's the problem. They are just adequate today, imagine how they will hold up 2,3,4 years down the road. Not well at all.

People want to root for the underdog but AMD is really not the way to go with a gaming PC configuration that lasts a few years. They have inexpensive hex-core processors but they are benchmarking slower than i5 or i7 quad core sandy bridge. The other thing, while Intel is almost as bad, AMD are constantly changing their sockets so it is likely in two years, there really is no upgrade option for the CPU than another mobo. While Intel did pull the socket change game with the i7 to the i5 and i3, it looks like i5 sandy bridge will be supported for a few years, so the CPU can be upgraded economically. It also looks like Intel has finally hit on producing good chipsets, although they did it by basically crushing other competitor startups. They are also giving up their overclock blockage efforts. The i5 and i7 overclock crazy easy and depending on how far you want to go with the cooling, and most important, reliably, an easy 30%.