Will Next Xbox Have Windows 8 OS?

**mynd** · 10-02-2011

I'll reiterate what I said before about the input interface having to be seriously upgraded.

I would suggest MS change the name to "Tiles" not Windows as well.

Not to mention the fact that that UI has been lifted from the current Xbox dash.

The UI is already being implemented (poorly) on the 360.

**TigeRabbiTreXray** · 10-02-2011

Input system shown in the video looks almost perfect for Xbox 3 with minor adjustment. Also, your previous argument was that Windows make it complicated. It is simple and looks way better than what dashboard looks now.

Windows 8 UI looks awesome. It will give the edge that xbox 3 desperately needs among hard hard cores. Only problem is that, MS likes Xbox closed to have monopoly of the market and have full control of it. Windows 8 is obviously open.

edit.
the video you showed almost seem like an early adaptation of Windows 8, so what is so hard to believe that Windows 8 or modified Windows 8 won't be on Xbox 3?

**mynd** · 10-02-2011

Originally Posted by TigeRabbiTreXray

Input system shown in the video looks almost perfect for Xbox 3 with minor adjustment. Also, your previous argument was that Windows make it complicated. It is simple and looks way better than what dashboard looks now.

Windows 8 UI looks awesome. It will give the edge that xbox 3 desperately needs among hard hard cores. Only problem is that, MS likes Xbox closed to have monopoly of the market and have full control of it. Windows 8 is obviously open.

Why dont you just what till October the 25th and then decide if you like it or not?
You wont have to wait for the next xbox to have it, and yes this is about as much "Windows 8" as I think your going to get.

**TigeRabbiTreXray** · 10-02-2011

Originally Posted by mynd

Why dont you just what till October the 25th and then decide if you like it or not?
You wont have to wait for the next xbox to have it, and yes this is about as much "Windows 8" as I think your going to get.

Well, now that you know how Windows 8 will look, don't you agree that it can improve next Xbox whole lot? I simply don't understand this "downside" or "risk" is to having windows 8.

It's simpler, more flexible and more open. You can't really argue with that.

**mynd** · 10-02-2011

Originally Posted by TigeRabbiTreXray

Well, now that you know how Windows 8 will look, don't you agree that it can improve next Xbox whole lot? I simply don't understand this "downside" or "risk" is to having windows 8.

It's simpler, more flexible and more open. You can't really argue with that.

No, I dont think Windows 8 can improve it a whole heck of a lot, the dash and user interface is what your really talking about, and we have know this aspect of it has been coming to the current 360 since E3.
I'm at a loss as to how adding a fully fledged O/S over the interface update they are doing makes it better?
Unifying ther look and feel of your devices is not the same as installing the same O/S.

Considering MS has already taken steps to do this "Windows 8 update" with the next dash update, that should give you an idea where they are going.

Similar? Yes.
A full O/S? No way in hell.

Will the next Xbox have the same dash 5 years after in launches? Doubt it.

**TigeRabbiTreXray** · 10-02-2011

I simply don't get it why not?? Windows 8 offers the best of the both worlds. Simple folks can enjoy the simplicity of the new UI while folks like me can do what they do on PC. There is no significant downside to it.

Think of it this way, do you want jello or jello AND pudding? Ofc, jello and pudding is whole better than just jello. Same with Windows 8. Windows 8 offers whole lot of pudding.

Also, it isn't just the look. The new UI for 360 looks nice and clean, but it does not have the "box apps" and the flexibility of it which is a huge difference. It is a step in the right direction, but i dont think it is quite there yet.

**mynd** · 10-02-2011

Originally Posted by TigeRabbiTreXray

I simply don't get it why not?? Windows 8 offers the best of the both worlds. Simple folks can enjoy the simplicity of the new UI while folks like me can do what they do on PC. There is no significant downside to it.

Think of it this way, do you want jello or jello AND pudding? Ofc, jello and pudding is whole better than just jello. Same with Windows 8. Windows 8 offers whole lot of pudding.

Also, it isn't just the look. The new UI for 360 looks nice and clean, but it does not have that "box apps" which is a huge difference, also the flexibility Windows 8 offers. It is a step in the right direction, but i dont think it is quite there yet.

Thats because they dont have anyone writing code for those "box apps". You have to know about it before you can write for it.

For example, if you run an older app in Windows 8 you not going to get anymore information.
You can only use it if you know about it.

Will the next xbox likely interface using box app informaiton, more than likley, probably showing you your high score, or if any friends are in that "app" sorry "Game".

The big diefference comes down to symantecs, and its behind the scenes, where your not allowed to look.

For example on a tablet, PC, desktop, mobile device launching an API like "ShowBoxAppInfo(&nameApp, &details)", might mean you application if providing the details you want to give to the App to show in its box.

This command (and from what I understand a lot of it is XML based), will work on any device listed above. As a programmer you can just write it, compile it for the particular target and your away.

The issue is, when it comes to a closed box system, you need to change those commands so that not anyone can just write for it.

"ShowBoxAppInfo(&nameApp, &details)", becomes "ShowxBoxTileInfo(&nameApp, &details)".
Suddenly you code doesnt work, its not targeting specific to the 720 (or whatever).
MS needs to stop people from writing anything to the Xbox, simply because they charge for dev kits.

**Vulgotha** · 10-02-2011

Strongly, strongly, strongly agree with Mynd here. A fully fledged Windows Operating system in the next Xbox is lunacy... Just no point, and the overhead would be monstrous compared to embedded OS's... Like what the 360 uses now.

**sainraja** · 10-02-2011

For the record, I was never talking about Microsoft taking Windows 8 and "installing" that on their next Xbox. I've said that in my posts.

mynd -- yes, we're not going to see the full-fledged Windows OS for the Xbox. I wasn't saying that -- I do think that we will see a variation of it for the next Xbox that will look a lot more like the Windows 8 tiles UI than the new redesign does for the Xbox 360.

And they didn't lift that from the Xbox 360's new UI (I don't even know how you can go on and claim that when it's the same company.)

Microsoft already has the tiles interface working on their phones and now they are putting that on X360 and with the next gen Xbox it will complete that transition. If I am wrong, I am wrong but I do think that is the direction they are headed.

**Dave-The-Rave** · 10-02-2011

Why do Newbies always have such terrible ideas?

**mynd** · 10-03-2011

Originally Posted by sainraja

For the record, I was never talking about Microsoft taking Windows 8 and "installing" that on their next Xbox. I've said that in my posts.

mynd -- yes, we're not going to see the full-fledged Windows OS for the Xbox. I wasn't saying that -- I do think that we will see a variation of it for the next Xbox that will look a lot more like the Windows 8 tiles UI than the new redesign does for the Xbox 360.

And they didn't lift that from the Xbox 360's new UI (I don't even know how you can go on and claim that when it's the same company.)

Microsoft already has the tiles interface working on their phones and now they are putting that on X360 and with the next gen Xbox it will complete that transition. If I am wrong, I am wrong but I do think that is the direction they are headed.

Have a think about the Kinect Dash. The've been using tiles for some time now on the 360.

**sainraja** · 10-03-2011

Well, it is by the same company and they introduced Windows Phone 7's tile interface in the second half of 2010. My point has been that Microsoft is moving all their devices towards that interface and they are. Does it really matter which device they did it on first?

I don't think it does and I am not sure why I even got into that argument. I'll have to look up if the Windows Phone 7 interface was introduced before Xbox's Kinect interface to see which was first...

Edit:

Based on the launch dates of Windows Phone 7 and Kinect, Windows Phone came out a little bit earlier and Kinect a bit later. Anyway, my point is that we will probably see a customized version of Windows 8 (specifically the tiles) for the next Xbox. It will be more like how it is on Windows 8 than the being designed for the current Xbox (look & feel) -- the tiles act like a real-time feed, giving instances of what is going on etc.

The only way I see Microsoft moving away from the tiles interface they are switching their devices to is if Windows 8 does bad...

You just showed that they already were moving Xbox towards the tiles type interface and if they did it first, fine, they did it first there.

**mynd** · 10-03-2011

Originally Posted by sainraja

Well, it is by the same company and they introduced Windows Phone 7's tile interface in the second half of 2010. My point has been that Microsoft is moving all their devices towards that interface and they are. Does it really matter which device they did it on first?

No not at all, they have found a way forward in this new age that doesnt require a mouse.

I don't think it does and I am not sure why I even got into that argument. I'll have to look up if the Windows Phone 7 interface was introduced before Xbox's Kinect interface to see which was first...

Edit:

Based on the launch dates of Windows Phone 7 and Kinect, Windows Phone came out a little bit earlier and Kinect a bit later. Anyway, my point is that we will probably see a customized version of Windows 8 (specifically the tiles) for the next Xbox. It will be more like how it is on Windows 8 than the being designed for the current Xbox (look & feel) -- the tiles act like a real-time feed, giving instances of what is going on etc.

As I say, its not something you can retrospectivly put in, but yes, I also believe this will be the case.

The only way I see Microsoft moving away from the tiles interface they are switching their devices to is if Windows 8 does bad...

You just showed that they already were moving Xbox towards the tiles type interface and if they did it first, fine, they did it first there.

Never said they werent, its just not going to be branded as "Windows 8".
Maybe "Windows 8 style". But as I say you need console code lean and mean.It doesnt really need all that extra jazz (and certianly doesnt need to be able to run Excel, or be backwards compatibale with older windows app for example).

**Strung Out** · 10-03-2011

your not going to get "win8" on the next xbox, you will however get it's user interface... probably before the next xbox.

At least that was the impression I got last year when they were blabbing about unifying their products.

I like the idea, the new phones are pretty nice for a new launch already... I think MS is actually starting to get serious about some things.