Changing of the Community Manager

[dc89]

I don't see any improvements, we still can't read page two of our VM's. All I see is a lot of social media type of things in an age where people are getting tired of Facebook. If I wanted to "Like" content I'd would have joined FB years ago.

Shit is being thrown at the wall to see if it sticks but there's no two-year plan from what an outsider can tell.

With all due respect the MOD's were not told what updates were coming and I like it that way. Otherwise it could just leak out.

So you will not be able to tell. All I know is Mr B and his team are hard at work.

[Galvanise_]

How very interesting.

I wish the old sausage luck though.

[squirrelbo1]

Some people are more interested in having a position of authority, and when that is compromised, they leave. We've seen it with several staff members. The deletion of the account, that's odd, but nevertheless, it happens.

coma was on the forums for years and years before he was smc (only got smc about 2 years ago or so)

I personally can't recall bugs being left for over a year while new, incomplete, features were added prior to this.

mate, there definetly was times were that was the case previously.

With all due respect the MOD's were not told what updates were coming and I like it that way. Otherwise it could just leak out.

So you will not be able to tell. All I know is Mr B and his team are hard at work.

we sort of were mate. in that thread in the smc section a few months back. cuguy outlined the basics of what they were thinking about.

[three3-times]

ouch

[Tutankhamun]

With all due respect the MOD's were not told what updates were coming and I like it that way. Otherwise it could just leak out.

So you will not be able to tell. All I know is Mr B and his team are hard at work.

They don't have to show and tell on specific features but it'd be nice to know if this will be like some other forums where there's a ton of different plugins and the content itself is not considered as important as "fun" features and ads. If that's the case, I'd really want to know because then I have no interest posting here anymore.

[F34R]

coma was on the forums for years and years before he was smc (only got smc about 2 years ago or so)



mate, there definetly was times were that was the case previously.



we sort of were mate. in that thread in the smc section a few months back. cuguy outlined the basics of what they were thinking about.

What's that got to do with it? Once someone is in that position, they don't take it well once removed. Doesn't matter if they were here 10 years before being promoted. Some people just can't handle being removed from "power".

[squirrelbo1]

What's that got to do with it? Once someone is in that position, they don't take it well once removed. Doesn't matter if they were here 10 years before being promoted. Some people just can't handle being removed from "power".

yeah I suppose. (didnt think of it that way) Even so I'm sure there is something else rather than that. Coma never struck me as that sort of person. Although Icould be entirely wrong of course.

[sainraja]

This entire like/dislike system seems to be something we don't need around here at all. I can't see how anyone thought that it was a good idea with the added repercussions it brings with those options enabled. A THANKS button, ok, makes sense if someone likes to be recognized visually for all to see; personally, I don't care either way on that one. What does someone disliking a post do for the forum? Why does it matter at all? Wouldn't it be better for people to show their disapproval with a rebuttal post instead of down ranking posts? This isn't Joystiq or Engadget, <insert the many sites that use that horrid system>.

Again, this penalizes people for posting their opinions, news, etc.

You're ignoring the people that like to responded with just an "I agree" to a post. Now they can just click a button and their name will appear right under the post.

[SchaffinOSX]

You're ignoring the people that like to responded with just an "I agree" to a post. Now they can just click a button and their name will appear right under the post.

That's pretty much the argument behind adding it, yeah. There were several users on the forums who liked to post "That" with a quote, or I agree, and the like. This gives us grounds to get rid of those useless posts, and replace them with a more comprehensive way of doing so.

All goes under promoting high quality, intellectual discussion.

[Tutankhamun]

A better way to handle those people would be to enforce the Spam rule which includes nonsense posts instead of adding clutter to the forum in my opinion.

[F34R]

You're ignoring the people that like to responded with just an "I agree" to a post. Now they can just click a button and their name will appear right under the post.

You're ignoring that someone posting that they "agree", or "disagree" doesn't in any way negatively affect the member they are replying to.

That's pretty much the argument behind adding it, yeah. There were several users on the forums who liked to post "That" with a quote, or I agree, and the like. This gives us grounds to get rid of those useless posts, and replace them with a more comprehensive way of doing so.

All goes under promoting high quality, intellectual discussion.

I disagree completely. The Like/Dislike option in no way shape or form promotes anything except controversy and confrontation. Keep the "LIKE or THANKS" button, but get rid of the dislike button entirely. Tell me this, why can't members negative rep a members post? Why was this disabled? Answer that, and you'll see the hypocritical nature that is the "dislike" option.

A better way to handle those people would be to enforce the Spam rule which includes nonsense posts instead of adding clutter to the forum in my opinion.

That would be the best solution if the reasoning of using the "like, dislike" options is to police spam posts. Treat them like spam if that's the reasoning and it'll stop. Period.

[SchaffinOSX]

A better way to handle those people would be to enforce the Spam rule which includes nonsense posts instead of adding clutter to the forum in my opinion.

The like / dislike buttons aren't clutter, if you ask me. They permit users who don't have much to say to share their opinion in a way that isn't ostentatious. Much better than posts that say "This" or "That" or "I agree".

@F34R: Why must the dislike button negatively affect a user?

[F34R]

The like / dislike buttons aren't clutter, if you ask me. They permit users who don't have much to say to share their opinion in a way that isn't ostentatious. Much better than posts that say "This" or "That" or "I agree".

@F34R: Why must the dislike button negatively affect a user?

Because if enough people dislike a post, it becomes hidden, and users will then have to click to see it. Members shouldn't have to deal with their posts being "hidden" because others don't like it. What purpose does it serve to "dislike" a post? Ok, so you don't like it... and? Do you have something to rebut the post with, or you just generally don't like the post? If you just don't like it, and you don't have anything to add to the discussion, why promote dissension amongst members by allowing them to blindly "dislike" posts?

Again, the fact that the normal users aren't allow to post a negative rep towards a post should tell you all you need to know about this.

[Tutankhamun]

The like / dislike buttons aren't clutter, if you ask me. They permit users who don't have much to say to share their opinion in a way that isn't ostentatious. Much better than posts that say "This" or "That" or "I agree".

@F34R: Why must the dislike button negatively affect a user?

If they we're added to make people stop posting "This", "1+" etc then they are clutter imo, thats adding an issue to solve another issue.

[SchaffinOSX]

Because if enough people dislike a post, it becomes hidden, and users will then have to click to see it. Members shouldn't have to deal with their posts being "hidden" because others don't like it. What purpose does it serve to "dislike" a post? Ok, so you don't like it... and? Do you have something to rebut the post with, or you just generally don't like the post? If you just don't like it, and you don't have anything to add to the discussion, why promote dissension amongst members by allowing them to blindly "dislike" posts?

Again, the fact that the normal users aren't allow to post a negative rep towards a post should tell you all you need to know about this.

I definitely agree that a post shouldn't be hidden because it has been disliked by said number of users. That, in my opinion, is ridiculous and should be done away with.

I'm also inclined to agree that "disliking" a post should be done away with, given it simply has no bearing. In the real world, when someone makes an argument, you can't simply say "I don't like that" and that be the end of it. If that's as far as someone's argument goes, they'll get weird looks or won't even say anything at all.

So, with that, I agree. Disagreeing with someone is fine, but without a counter-argument, there's nothing.

[sainraja]

You're ignoring that someone posting that they "agree", or "disagree" doesn't in any way negatively affect the member they are replying to.

How does clicking like or dislike affect the member negatively? Cuguy already explained that it won't affect posts negatively anymore.

EDIT:

Oh, nevermind, disliking posts hides them.

[Cuguy]

How does clicking like or dislike affect the member negatively? Cuguy already explained that it won't affect posts negatively anymore.

EDIT:

Oh, nevermind, disliking posts hides them.

Yes, at a certain point, a heavily disliked post will minimize. it can still be read if you wanted to, but it is minimized.

Also, liking posts will earn you points, as well as earning the poster points. Disliking does nothing with points, but people can use it just like saying "this" or whatever else.

[sainraja]

How many dislikes does it take?

I think the text next to the Like / Dislike button needs to go.

It's not all negative though. The fact that people can make your posts disappear could help in users monitoring themselves. It's not like one person can keep clicking dislike and abuse it...

[F34R]

I've still yet to see any positive reason to keep the "dislike" option.

[Cuguy]

How many dislikes does it take?

I think the text next to the Like / Dislike button needs to go.

It's not all negative though. The fact that people can make your posts disappear could help in users monitoring themselves. It's not like one person can keep clicking dislike and abuse it...

I can see if the text can go.

exactly... what we hoped the negativity of dislikes and such would do is cause people to pause before they post. a simple debate may yield negative posts, but people may still agree with them. It has to have a higher ratio of dislikes to likes in order to hide. I think right now if a post gets 10 consecutive dislikes, it minimizes.

[Cuguy]

I've still yet to see any positive reason to keep the "dislike" option.

and i haven't been convinced it should go. I win.

[SchaffinOSX]

It'll be important for us to monitor how well this system actually works over time. We have to take into account the immaturity of some members, who could essentially gang up on a member and give him the ten dislikes to hide the post.

Detrimental? Not by a long shot, but we don't want the dislike ability to be abused.

[sainraja]

It'll be important for us to monitor how well this system actually works over time. We have to take into account the immaturity of some members, who could essentially gang up on a member and give him the ten dislikes to hide the post.

Detrimental? Not by a long shot, but we don't want the dislike ability to be abused.

One person cannot keep clicking dislike to abuse it.

[Ixion]

I don't think anyone will dislike a post if they simply disagree with it. The whole point of a forum is to discuss and debate. The only way a post will get 10 dislikes is if it's just a worthless, stupid post.

With that said, soon I am going to start the "Dislike F34R" campaign, where every post by F34R will be disliked 10 times and minimized. There is nothing you can do to stop us!

[F34R]

and i haven't been convinced it should go. I win.

So arbitrary features ftw, no?

The fact that the rep system doesn't allow for the exact same behavior.... meh. I win and you know it.