Official Ridley Scott's Prometheus thread

[RedDragon7]

A new still released... the original is much darker of course but I brightened.

In the background, the two statues, we have our first look at the Space Jockeys in full form:

[Vulgotha]

Sigh. This kills me.

Space Jockeys are going to be extremely humanoid. Those are just suits, backing up what Ridley said in his interviews. So the dead jockey in the crashed ship in Alien was not 'the alien' just his outer protective layer.

From what else I've seen (leaks here and there) it seems that we've already seen what the Space Jockey\Engineer looks like. The giant metal sculpture is his face. Humanity was made in 'their image'.

However they do appear to be much larger than us physically.


Edit: leaked 'mask' for an actor to wear in Prometheus, definitely a Space Jockey. Jockeys will be depicted with very little CG according to interviews.


It should also be noted that the 'jockey creatures' in the big images posted here are very... Small. They're not as big as the one depicted in Alien (1979), nor do they fit the scale of the chair as depicted in both the Prometheus Trailer and Alien (which are seemingly identical). Also the bald guy walking in the trailer as the chair raises up appears to be huge as well.

There is some speculation that these are not necessarily meant for the Jockey's themselves, but a subservient race (humans?).

This is a legit image (from what I understand):



Better image:

[RedDragon7]

Why are you disappointed?

Also, where did you hear some of this speculation? I do admit it would make sense if the giant face depicted the space jockeys. At least IMO it would be fascinating if this alien race, if the movie essentially says, are our ancestors.

Here's a quote from Ridley to keep us on track. Those are all suits apparently, from what Ridley says. If the Space Jockeys really are humanoid as everything seems to indicate, I'm really interested to see where he takes the story.

"Therefore, who is that, inside that [Space Jockey] suit? That wasn’t a skeleton, that was a suit. And if you open up the suit, what do you get inside it? And why were they going, where were they going?"

Hate this forum late at night. Editing doesn't work and takes forever.

[Vulgotha]

Because we grew up with Alien and looking at this enormous creature fused into the chair within the derelict. The last thing that crossed any of our minds was "It's a suit" and "Inside the suit is a creature that is 90% similar to a human being".

That's just... Poor.

The speculation, along with almost all quality leaks and information concerning Prometheus, comes from AVPgalaxy.com

[RedDragon7]

Your pouring a lot of judgement into something we've barely even seen, and that's all we know as well. Not to mention 10 percent can make a big difference.

Besides, how would a "creature" be any more original nowadays? He's already created a very distinct creature with the Xenos. The Jockeys might need to go a different route.

[Vulgotha]

I'd argue that it's always possible to be innovative enough to surprise people, in particular when it comes to creature design.

My beef is that we grew up with one notion- a notion that spanned some 30 years. Just for Scott to come around and say "Just kidding, it's just a giant human who is slightly different in appearance." It's kind of a slap in the face to me.

[Blacksite]

Prometheus trailer without the text.

[RedDragon7]

You don't realize how tight-lipped this movie until you think about the fact that a still and a trailer with no text are big news for the movie.

Disappointed to know that there will be no Super Bowl spot... not even The Dark Knight Rises will have one. Lame year for movie spots. I wonder if April and May really kick up the dust for news and footage on this movie. New trailer, tv spots, etc.

[Vulgotha]

What most people on the forums now consider to be the "Space Jockey" outside of the suit we see in Alien:




From the trailer. The community has taken to calling him Dr. Manhattan.

[RedDragon7]

From the trailer. The community has taken to calling him Dr. Manhattan.

I can understand the relation (in theory I guess), but I'm not too fond of the comparison. Considering it's ALL based on speculation... that may not even be the Space Jockey. Even if it is, we don't know anything else about them.

Just my opinion though.

[RedDragon7]

Prometheus trailer without the text.

So as it turns out this is the international trailer

No text, nothing to credit themselves or the movie. How that works I have no idea lol. Then again, I suppose Cloverfield did that too so I guess it works.

Simply put, there is no new footage in this new international trailer for Ridley Scott's Prometheus, but if you want to see the footage without the title throughout it like the domestic version, you can do so below. Coming to theaters on June 8, the anticipated sci-fi film stars Noomi Rapace, Michael Fassbender, Guy Pearce, Idris Elba, Logan Marshall-Green and Charlize Theron.

Read more: International Trailer for Ridley Scott's Prometheus - ComingSoon.net http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movie...#ixzz1maQ87uOw

[Blacksite]

So as it turns out this is the international trailer

No text, nothing to credit themselves or the movie. How that works I have no idea lol. Then again, I suppose Cloverfield did that too so I guess it works.

Read more: International Trailer for Ridley Scott's Prometheus - ComingSoon.net http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movie...#ixzz1maQ87uOw

You've reminded me of how much I want J.J. Abrams, Matt Reeves, and Drew Goddard to find the time to get together and work on the Cloverfield sequel.

[Vulgotha]

*WARNING POSSIBLE SPOILERS*

http://www.datafilehost.com/download-a4632b29.html

This is a rough outline of the plot of Prometheus of an alleged movie student who helped work on the Moroccan part of the movie. Download this at your own peril.

Aspects of this leak do correlate rather well with some of the factual information we know surrounding the production of Prometheus... However, it does fly rather hard into the face of both the current writer along with Scott about the presence of the original Alien/Xenomorph- Both of which adamantly deny that it will appear in the movie.

However, in earlier interviews they've mentioned that in the last 8min or so, there will be a definitive "DNA connection" to the original Alien.

Another production company in charge of helping to make the trailers also stated that they were given the full movie to work with- minus the last 10min of the film.

There has been atleast one other 'leaked script' released well over a year ago.

So who knows?

I'd be ok with this plot actually. I'm a bit miffed at certain aspects of the Space Jockey, but oh well.

[RedDragon7]

Ok, so you guys ready for it? The big connection between the movies... Sadly, with people constantly bringing up Xeno (people need to stop looking at face-value!) they didn't think about the other angle. Which really shouldn't come as any surprise since Ridley has said this in his commentaries:

"When the first Alien movie and Blade Runner were made, I thought that in the near future the world will be owned by large companies. This is why we have the Tyrell Corporation in Blade Runner, and Weyland-Yutani in Alien. They sent the Nostromo spaceship.

The Prometheus is owned by an entrepreneur called Peter Weyland, and is played by Guy Pearce. That’s the connection between the two films, and nothing more. Prometheus is a new film, a new world, and is full of new ideas. And of course new monsters as well."

Read more: Guy Pearce's Role Revealed in Ridley Scott's Prometheus - ComingSoon.net http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movie...#ixzz1nc446bvD

[Blacksite]

Still pretty interesting, nonetheless. I wonder what new monsters we'll end up seeing.

[Vulgotha]

Uh, no that's bullshit. There are already other connections which are confirmed:

Space Jockeys, their machines (the SJ Chair which was already shown in Prometheus), Zeta Reticuli (both movies take place in the SAME solar system), and of course "The Company" (Weyland).

Scott is just doing what he's always been doing: Misleading, spinning and playing things down.

See, here's the thing that rubs me the wrong way: This movie takes place 30 years before the first Alien.. But features the same system of planets, the same company, and the same master alien race that is found crashed on LV246.

So unless they intend to make a direct sequel to this movie which explains some of these.. Rather perplexing similarities, me and alot of other fans are going to be annoyed. This movie will simply throw in new mysteries (or inconsistencies?) into the mythology and leave the old ones completely unaddressed.

Or, he's lying.


So we have these options:
1. He's lying (which I think is highly probable. He's exaggerating how disconnected the two are).

2. He's telling the truth a. and this will be a stand alone film that only-just-so-happens to take place in the alien universe.

3. He's telling the truth b. and this will be one of atleast two films that take place in the alien universe and will eventually tie things together.


Ask yourself this. Why would 20th Century Fox green light a production that cost them well over a hundred million dollars (probably closer to 200 million) that was originally slated to be an alien prequel film attach Scott to the project and then be completely complacent as he systematically uproots all serious connections to the original Alien movie?

For that matter, why would Scott even bother? Why revisit the Alien universe at all? Why not craft a whole new story in an entirely new universe and NOT cause all of this confusion and irritation amongst fans?

Why would Scott allow a trailer to be made which is so obviously a carbon copy of the original 1979 Alien trailer... For a movie that only has a 'passing' connection to that movie? Why cause that confusion? Why intentionally mislead fans?


My father was excited about this movie until I told him that Scott\Writer were basically downplaying\denying connections to the original alien and stated that the xenomorph creature would not be present... Then he got very disappointed and noncommittal about seeing the movie. Even going so far as to being a bit irritated... Especially after the trailer. He was mad.

I can understand this reaction, as I feel it myself.

We both feel that he is intentionally dragging Alien fans by the nose.. Luring us into seeing it by using all these little 'signals' to make us think "hey, look at this, its part of Alien!"

So he's either a calculating jerk (or Fox is forcing him to be), or he's just trying to avoid the knee jerk cynicism the mainstream community might have with an Alien film after the debacles that were AVP and AVP:R... To keep everything wrapped tightly in secrecy and use misdirection.


Proof of what I'm saying and why Alien fans have a right to be agitated at all the misdirection if Prometheus has jack all to do with the original:







Bullshit.

Unrelated to my rant, here is a screen cap from the high res trailer of our 'mutant crew member' friend who tries to attack one of the crew:

[darky89]

2. He's telling the truth a. and this will be a stand alone film that only-just-so-happens to take place in the alien universe.

I think it's probably going to be that. It looks like a good film nonetheless.

And it may not be wise to get to excited about the Alien connection, as if there are indeed no other Alien elements you're going to be disappointed.

[RedDragon7]

This is obviously an Alien prequel film... Weyland, the ship, the Space Jockeys. The main difference is it's not a direct prequel. I posted that bit about the correlation because all this talk about "DNA" and people keep bringing up the Xenos... Ridley is talking more philosophical, not literal.

When Spaihts came on board and talked to Ridley he proposed what he would want to do as a prequel (as a writer). He basically said he didn't want to do what Lucas did with Star Wars and make a film or films that bump up right against Alien. The story wouldn't shift directly from Prometheus right into Alien or even by a couple years.

The trailers are the same because the film is going to have the same tone and atmosphere, but it's going to be stand alone. Ergo, because it's not a direct prequel... there's no Xenos. That's not what they want to do with the story.

Between the text in the trailer and the interview... Not to mention things Blacksite and I have discussed, this is about mankind. Where we came from, theories of our evolution, and so on. Prometheus being about the first technology handed down to humans and then Prometheus was punished for it. IMO, that's FAR more intriguing than some typical Hollywood prequel centered merely around the Xeno's. I'm really interested to see this new expansive look into the Alien universe that Scott is taking with this film.

And yes, if Prometheus does well Ridley said they could do more films. Sort of X-Men: First Class being an early movie in the storyline with other movies filling the gap up to X-Men.

Sorry if this isn't to your liking but now is the time to wrap your head around it. Also, as far as I know Ridley isn't one to lie. Bay does misinformation campaigns but Ridley doesn't bother with that, simply doesn't let information out, i.e. Abrams.

[Vulgotha]

We have the same facts, we're just not drawing the same conclusion. The first time I read his quote I figured he was being philosophical and not literal.

Nor am I wanting some crappy "5 people in a haunted house" alien prequel story- but I want to know their origins. That's what I care about. Scott can waltz about talking about the origins of mankind, having his beginning of time sequence, but he needs to address the Jockeys and the Alien creature. Why they're in the same system 30 years later, the company clearly knew about the derelict remember. They sent the Nostromo to them and replaced their chief science officer.

The point is you can hardly claim Scott is being honest or merely secretive, he's let numerous details slip out over the months some of which contradict one another (in particular recent claims, like the one about the company being the 'only' connection). Whether or not they're accidental is irrelevant. He's employing misdirection. Definitively.

I want Prometheus to be about bigger and better things. But don't pull a complete bait and switch on your fans in order to get the box office numbers you desire.

Although the ideas he will explore in this movie will be grand, they're not new or untreaded territory. Von Daniken's Chariot of the Gods has been around for a very long time. Since 1968- and arguably the ideas don't originate solely with him. So the whole "Master race of aliens created man are revered by gods" is not spectacular enough to make science fiction fans somehow forget Space Odyssey or the original Chariots of the Gods novel this idea has been perpetuated by in the mainstream.

So here, too, he's going to have to do very well in order to impress people with something original.


Here's another leaked outline that came after that October one. This is more detailed.

CAST
ElizabethShaw...Noomi Rapace
RaydenHolloway...Logan Marshall-Green
MeredithVickers...Charlize Theron
David4.0...Michael Fassbender
JeremiahJanek...Idris Elba
TheoZedmore...Guy Pearce
Logan...BenFoster
Ravel...BenedictWong
Chance...EmunElliot
Mudow...KateDickie
Yuri...RafeSpall
Aldrich...FrankKelly
Francis...SeanHarris
Siena...TalBerkovich
Lettap...JamesPayton
Tembrook...TuppenceMiddleton


Earth.The beginnings of our world. In an opening montage, we watch as ourprimordial planet is terraformed and bioformed by seeminglyall-powerful, Godlike alien entities…the ENGINEERS. The seeds oflife are introduced to Earth for the first time by these fantasticextra-terrestrials, who have the power to create and manipulate bothmechanical and biological matter at will. The montage ends as theearliest genetic recipe for life is sent forth from the Engineers’massive, towering CITADEL in the dark desert.

Thedesolate desert of Africa: 2085. The prehistoric ruins of theEngineers’ Citadel is discovered by a corporate construction teamtasked with building a nuclear-powered comm-array in the wilderness.Amidst the ancient remains are found highly advanced, biomechanicalrelics with are determined to be of extra-terrestrial origin. Thiscatches the attention of the mega-conglomerate WEYLAND-YUTANICORPOTATION, who finances a massive archaeological excavation of thecitadel in the hopes of reverse-engineering the alien biotech forfinancial gain. Running the operation is MEREDITH VICKERS, a cold,calculating corporate executive, who recruits intelligent andindependent astrophysicist DR. ELIZABETH SHAW to head up the researchteam. Assisting Dr. Shaw are xenoarchaeologist DR. THEO ZEDMORE andher fellow astrophysicist DR. LOGAN. Shaw uncovers the secret of thecitadel when she discovers a chamber of star charts, which seem tolead the way to the home planet of the Engineers. Also uncovered isevidence suggesting that the Engineers had a database of all life onEarth, and may even have been responsible for its creation includingMan.

Ina partially-submerged MANHATTAN, Vickers meets with Dr. Shaw and anOPO, (Off-Planet-Officer), CAPTAIN JERAMIAH JANEK, and plans a spacemission following the discovered star charts in an effort to find andmake first contact with the Engineers. For the scientists andexplorers onboard, it will be a journey of discovery, but forVickers, it’s merely a way of obtaining new technology so thatWeyland-Yutani may retain the lead in the competitive race toestablish colonies off-world.

Thedepths of space: 2090. A highly-advanced, top-of-the-line ISRV(Interstellar Research Vessel) PROMETHEUS decelerates as it reachesits target solar system. The vessel’s crew emerges from theircryo-chambers. Along with Elizabeth Shaw, Theo Zedmore, Logan,Meredith Vickers, and Captain Janek, the crew of the Prometheus iscomprised of: First Officer MUDOW, Security Officer RAYDEN HOLLOWAY,Navigator CHANCE, Helm Officer RAVEL, Operations Android DAVID 4.0,Political Officer ALDRICH, Medical Officer FRANCIS, Engineer YURI,and Technical Officers SIENA, LETTUP, and TEMBROOK. The crew getsacclimated to their removal from cryo-sleep, their muscles in atrophyfrom five years without use. Holloway assists Shaw in her physicaltherapy exercises.

Thecrew prepares for arrival at the home planet of the Engineers. Shawand Holloway are instantly attracted to each other, initiating aromantic relationship. However, as they enter the Zeta 2 Reticulistar system, Prometheus encounters a massive disturbance which hadn’tappeared on scanners, one even more powerful than a black hole: awormhole in space. Prometheus is sucked into the wormhole, and aftera harrowing ride, emerges on the other end. The ship crashes on abarren planet, which the damaged computer system identifies as themission’s final destination.

Thecrew sets about attempting to repair the Prometheus, while ElizabethShaw leads a recon expedition to investigate nearby structures, whichturn out to be a cavernous Engineer temple. Inside the temple, Shaw’steam encounters a bizarre BIO-BRAIN, a biomechanical humanoid faceset within a towering pillar, as well as thousands of seeminglyprimitive URNS. David takes several of the urns back to the vesselfor analysis.

Investigatingthe urns, David discovers that they contain the genetic material forthousands of species within a viscous liquid called BIOFORMER whichcan rewrite any living organism on a cellular level. Basically,possession of the substance gives its owner the power to create life.Vickers interacts with David and seemingly innocently leads to theBioformer infecting David through a cut in his finger.

Withinthe depths of the Temple, we find several living Engineers whodiscover the transgression of the Humans, and remotely rewrite thestolen Bioformer to make it into a weapon. The Engineers captureHolloway and run a number of horrific experiments on him, injectinghim with the Bioformer and allowing him to return to the vessel.

Subsequently,the crew of the Prometheus begins to fall victim to the nowweaponized substance, as the “carrier” Holloway injects Ravel,Zedmore, Francis, Siena, Lettup, and Tembrook. The victims begin tolose their humanity and slowly transform, experiencing nightmarishvisions and hallucinations and making pilgrimages to the depths ofthe Temple to receive instructions from the Bio-Brain. Holloway, inparticular, is resistant to the transformation, fighting against thealien influence with his feelings for Shaw and his responsibilitiesas security officer. Meanwhile, David finds that the Bioformer ismaking him into a biological being…making him Human. The crew alsofinds that their trip through the wormhole took them back hundreds ofmillions of years and they are actually stranded on primordial Earth,having moved through space and time.

Eventually,as alien influence and the continued lurking presence of theEngineers becomes clear, the crew of the Prometheus turns on eachother as the infected human victims fully mutate into PROTOFORMS:vicious, skeletal alien monstrosities which proceed to assault theunaffected Human crew through the halls of the Prometheus.

Mudow,Logan, Chance, Aldrich, Yuri, and Janek end up being destroyed by theProtoforms. In a strange, erotic ceremony, the Protoforms seeminglymate with the Bio-Brain and each other to create thousands of EGGS,the first of a new generation of the monsters. Meredith Vickers isrevealed to be a sleeper CONSTRUCT of the Engineers, who are stillactive in their far future and Shaw’s present due to thetime-travelling abilities of the wormhole. Vickers was grown in anEngineer lab but escaped, fleeing to Earth while always wanting toher find creators and take their power. The Engineers activateVickers’ secondary GENE PROGRAMMING, and she transforms into anALPHA PROTOFORM: the STAR BEAST.

Atlast, the two remaining crew members, Elizabeth Shaw and David, seekto confront the Engineers in the Temple. The Godlike entities proveto be utterly evil, and David sacrifices himself as he’s dissolvedin the LIFE SEED BIOFORMER which is the basic genetic recipe for MAN:the former android David, it turns out, is the basis for all Mankind.Shaw is captured by Holloway, but he regains enough of his humanityto remotely activate an Engineer vessel for Shaw’s escape, thenholds the other Protoforms and Engineers at bay. As Shaw escapes, shefinds herself in the midst of the initial Engineer terraforming ofEarth which we had witnessed in the opening montage, chased by theformer Meredith Vickers who is now the gigantic, horrific Star Beast.

Shawmakes to her escape vessel which blasts off for the wormhole,Holloway fighting the Star Beast with both falling into the wormholeand disappearing. An Engineer PILOT detaches from the Temple in aFAMILIAR VESSEL and follows Shaw, but is lost in the wormhole. Shawemerges above the Earth of her present day; however, she’s deemedinsane and responsible for the loss of her expedition and confined toa psychiatric hospital by the Company. It’s implied that there areat least some of those who believe Shaw’s tale, but have silencedher as part of a cover-up.

Inthe final scene, we see the vessel of the Engineer that was chasingElizabeth Shaw emerge from the wormhole in the Zeta 2 Reticuli starsystem, still in the prehistoric past, and crash on a nearbyplanetoid, the Engineer Pilot helplessly lost and the EGGS in theship’s cargo hold stirring as something alive moves from within…

TheBeginning

Both explain reasonably well why that crew member looks decidedly mutated and altered. Although I should note I don't believe this particular plot outline will turn out to be all that accurate, based on what I've seen in the trailer anyway.

I'm just going on the record as having said that this movie will have much deeper connections to the original than Scott is willing to publicly admit prior to its release. No, I'm not saying we may necessarily see a Xenomorph in this movie directly. But I think we will either see something similar, a proto-creature, or have the movie acknowledge\explain the jockey ship crashing on LV426.


BTW for all those interested here's a very high quality version of the trailer song used for Prometheus- Judge and Jury by Audio Machine. It's just missing the alien 'scream' from the 1979 trailer.

[RedDragon7]

The core of the story from what I gather will be humanity and the Space Jockeys. They may discuss the Xenos in some form, I have no idea really.

I took a little glance at the last leak you posted, but I deleted it. I'm not going into that stuff. If it were the script itself I would read it, but something that's primarily speculation I prefer not to bother. This is the kind of movie I want to see the mysteries unravel in the movie, not from a cheat sheet.

I don't know that Ridley is baiting is, but just trying to get across that this story is different. Just because it's labeled as an Alien Prequel does not mean there's Xenos. I can already see the disappointment coming when fans come out saying, where are Xenos? What the fuck?

God forbid directors do something different. And then they wonder why Hollywood re-hashes everything.

Thanks for posting the song.

[DreDayDetox]

This is why we have the Tyrell Corporation in Blade Runner, and Weyland-Yutani in Alien. They sent the Nostromo spaceship.

wait wait wait wait...so Weyland and Tyrell are connected together within the Ridley-verse?! So what you what you mean to tell me is that Blade Runner and Alien are within the same universe?!!??!


Mind = BLOWN!

[RedDragon7]

wait wait wait wait...so Weyland and Tyrell are connected together within the Ridley-verse?! So what you what you mean to tell me is that Blade Runner and Alien are within the same universe?!!??!


Mind = BLOWN!

[Vulgotha]

I'm going to assume you're all familiar with the TED network and all the good they do in spreading intellectualism to the masses. They routinely host brilliant minds discussing a wide variety of topics, mostly scientific ones. They're videos are always captivating.

It should come as no surprise, then, that Ridley Scott approached TED with an idea: Let's do a TED showing in the future. 2023, with Peter Weyland as the guest speaker:

http://blog.ted.com/TED2023/

[RedDragon7]

Nope, never heard of that network. Thanks for posting though, good speech and good taste of Peter. Of course he's played by Guy Pearce so naturally it was gonna be good

[Vulgotha]

You've never heard of TED? Or seen any of it's videos? They're amazing! Ground breaking!

Some of the finest minds of our time frequent it. I highly suggest people check it out.