Infinity Ward working on 'next-gen' Call of Duty?

[Metfanant]

And there is a reason for that. It's not something you really see.

no its because you're simply not looking...or unwilling to accept that not all visual improvements smack you in the face...

something like the scale of environments, or texture streaming, or lighting improvements...they are not necessarily things that jump off the screen, but when you look at the technical aspects as a whole they are major improvements...

But I agree with Metfantan. MW2 is not identical to MW3. MW3 has the new bloom effects. And I don't see how someone could claim a 60fps game has frame rate issues of all things.

well a 60fps game can have framerate issues just like any other game can...but MW3 is simply NOT one of them...

[ddPLaNeT]

I'm starting to be bored with COD. I hope the next version on next gen consoles will make me go back. I still love the gameplay, i think i just need a brake from the serie as it's pretty much been there done that now.

Sometimes, i don't even remember which call of duty i'm playing...

[Inzane2050]

Texture streaming isn't improving the visuals; it just allows for better texture and/or bigger maps. And water reflection isn't much at all. The lighting is the only real thing they added that actually improves the visuals. And again, I told you I'm not concerned with the tech sheets of their engine; I'm just talking visuals.

[Cuguy]

Texture streaming isn't improving the visuals; it just allows for better texture and/or bigger maps. And water reflection isn't much at all. The lighting is the only real thing they added that actually improves the visuals. And again, I told you I'm not concerned with the tech sheets of their engine; I'm just talking visuals.

Curious, not being argumentative, but how is 'better textures' not improving visuals?

[Inzane2050]

Curious, not being argumentative, but how is 'better textures' not improving visuals?

Artistic, not technical, as I have already said. If I really cared about slightly better textures, I'd just okay it on PC.

[Metfanant]

Curious, not being argumentative, but how is 'better textures' not improving visuals?

it is improving visuals lol...he is just going to continue to backpedal and sidestep his original argument until everyone else gives up...

he has gone from the engine literally not being touched since CoD4...to now simply arguing artistic direction...impossible to have an intelligent discussion with someone who doesn't know what they are talking about

Artistic, not technical, as I have already said.

that is just asinine lol...im flabbergasted at the direction your arguments (or lack thereof) have taken in this thread lol...

all you're talking about is art direction which is quite irrelevant topic in a game meant to portray real life lol...

you are the exact type of person that the guy from Sledgehammer games was talking about

[Cuguy]

that makes no sense. If you have better textures in place, then technically your game is better. Artistically, how they are used can also enhance visuals.

Better textures alone can make a game technically and artistically superior

[Inzane2050]

Slightly better textures is not a big deal whatsoever. And better resolution textures is a technical feat, not an artistic feat.

And I do not understand this "it mimics real life" excuse.

[Metfanant]

Slightly better textures is not a big deal whatsoever. And better resolution textures is a technical feat, not an artistic feat.

it doesnt matter...your original argument was that they had made NO improvements to the engine this generation...and that is completely FALSE lol...they have actually made quite a few improvements to the engine...

better resolution textures is improving the visuals...technical or artistic..no matter how you want to look at it higher res textures offer more detail...which is an improvement...

you can't even decide what you're arguing, or at least how to even explain your point

And I do not understand this "it mimics real life" excuse.

my point is...what do you want artistically from a game designed to look like real life?...if the desert is bland in real life, its going to be bland in a video game based on real life...

[Inzane2050]

it doesnt matter...your original argument was that they had made NO improvements to the engine this generation...and that is completely FALSE lol...they have actually made quite a few improvements to the engine...

better resolution textures is improving the visuals...technical or artistic..no matter how you want to look at it higher res textures offer more detail...which is an improvement...

you can't even decide what you're arguing, or at least how to even explain your point



my point is...what do you want artistically from a game designed to look like real life?...if the desert is bland in real life, its going to be bland in a video game based on real life...

Dude, calm down and stop being so hardcore on the offensive. Sorry if what I have said has been misunderstood out of content, but the gist of what I am simply saying is I wish they would improve the graphics. And slightly better textures doesn't cut it for me at all. And your excuse for Call of Duty's blandness/"lack of artistic styling" is asinine to put it frankly. But whatever.

[Metfanant]

Dude, calm down and stop being so hardcore on the offensive. Sorry if what I have said has been misunderstood out of content, but the gist of what I am simply saying is I wish they would improve the graphics. And slightly better textures doesn't cut it for me at all. And your excuse for Call of Duty's blandness/"lack of artistic styling" is asinine to put it frankly. But whatever.

nobody misunderstood anything...you're simply WRONG lol...

they HAVE improved the graphics lol...and its not just texture resolution...They have improved the scale of the environments, the character models, the gun models, the lighting solutions, the water effects, and other things as well...

you're simply just a pure hater lol and its sad...i don't even like CoD that much and i never thought in a million years i would EVER spend this much time defending Infinity Ward's development because I think overall they are a rather weak multiplat developer...

but your comments are just so false that i couldn't help it

but now im going to go play some MW3 on my 360 lol...need to get my gold M4 to go along with my Gold M16

[TEJ2025]

no, just no...

Good point there.
If you put in MW2 and then put in MW3 they are almost identical when it comes to the visuals. The improvements
you mention don't change that. MW3 may look a slightly better if you're really trying to look at it but while you're playing it looks like MW2. You're trying to make it seem like the differences are so obvious when they are just not.

they LOOK similar because they are based on the same engine...its not my fault that you can't look past that...

It's also not my fault that the game looking similar is something you can't get past. If a game looks similar as another it just does. Simple as that.

thats really funny...because...

MW3:

Average Frame Rate
PS3: 58.58
360: 59.48

Percentage of torn Frames
PS3: 0.0%
360: 0.0%

Source? I can throw numbers around too. Doesn't make them true.
When I play MW3 it skips frames every game that I play in. It might not for you but it does for me, hence why I said that it has the worst frame rate shooter that I've ever played. You can't change that.

[-Kwesnoth-]

COD just needs to break from the cliche modern shit. I mean, I'd rather play COD: medievel, or COD: future wars with laser guns, and stuff like that.

I love the controls, and they are very clean, simple, and perfect. But the guns are the same, the graphics are the same. Its all meh.

[Metfanant]

Good point there.
If you put in MW2 and then put in MW3 they are almost identical when it comes to the visuals. The improvements
you mention don't change that. MW3 may look a slightly better if you're really trying to look at it but while you're playing it looks like MW2. You're trying to make it seem like the differences are so obvious when they are just not.

of course it looks LIKE MW2...again it uses the same engine...just like KZ3 looks like KZ2...and Uncharted 3 looks like Uncharted 2 and Uncharted...or Halo Reach looks like Halo 3...they use the same engines...but the graphical improvements from one to the next are there...just like from MW to MW2 to MW3...

im not trying to make them sound like their obvious...if you actually read what ive said you would notice that ive said they are not changes that slap you in the face, but there are significant improvements to the visuals of the game...

i have simply been defending the game against those that incorrectly state that the engine has not been given any sort of updates since CoD4...

It's also not my fault that the game looking similar is something you can't get past. If a game looks similar as another it just does. Simple as that.

where have i ever said that the games don't look similar?...they use the same base Infinity Ward Engine...of course they are going to look similar as do all sequels that use the same engine...my point has simply been that the engine HAS been improved and updated...the graphics HAVE been improved from game to game (except BLOPS which used the IW 3.0 engine from CoD4/W@W)

Source? I can throw numbers around too. Doesn't make them true.

SOURCE

When I play MW3 it skips frames every game that I play in. It might not for you but it does for me, hence why I said that it has the worst frame rate shooter that I've ever played. You can't change that.

thats impossible...the game will perform the same from copy to copy unless there is a hardware issue with your console...

unless of course you're talking about online...then it could just be a crappy connection lol...

[SchaffinOSX]

Interesting argument going on in here. I have to agree with Met. The games run on the same engines, so of course they look similar. Graphical improvements don't have to be major. The only time major graphical improvements should be expected is when we're transitioning from one generation to the other. Aside from that, you're only going to get smaller changes.

But frankly, graphics isn't the issue with Call of Duty. Visuals in the series are fine, whether they're fantastic or not is up to every individual to decide. What should be focused on is the gameplay and originality of it. I think we can all agree, whether you're a fan of the games or not, that the games aren't all too different from one another in terms of gameplay. There are a plethora of new perks, new weapons, and new maps, but I still feel as though I'm playing Modern Warfare 2 when playing the third MW game. And for millions of gamers, that's absolutely fine.

In the next generation, I presume that IW will try to make some big changes. They know they're got a winning formula, but they also know that they have a growing community of gamers that have grown tired with the way the game plays. If I ever truly get back into the series, the next generation will be the reason why.

[Inzane2050]

nobody misunderstood anything...you're simply WRONG lol...

they HAVE improved the graphics lol...and its not just texture resolution...They have improved the scale of the environments, the character models, the gun models, the lighting solutions, the water effects, and other things as well...

you're simply just a pure hater lol and its sad...i don't even like CoD that much and i never thought in a million years i would EVER spend this much time defending Infinity Ward's development because I think overall they are a rather weak multiplat developer...

but your comments are just so false that i couldn't help it

but now im going to go play some MW3 on my 360 lol...need to get my gold M4 to go along with my Gold M16

Yeah, quit acting so mad and defensive. If you have that much trouble understanding what is said even after I waste my time explaining myself in further detail for your sake, then it's not my fault. Don't cry over spilt milk...

[Metfanant]

Yeah, quit acting so mad and defensive. If you have that much trouble understanding what is said even after I waste my time explaining myself in further detail for your sake, then it's not my fault. Don't cry over spilt milk...

Ill take that as admitting you were wrong

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[Inzane2050]

You really want me to lie to your face and tell you "the Call of Duty graphics are not static and unchanged?" I can't believe you are really acting so sour just bcuz I have a beef with the visuals. Funny how nothing can be critiqued in the presence of a CoD elitist... You are a waste of my time.

[Metfanant]

You really want me to lie to your face and tell you "the Call of Duty graphics are not static and unchanged?" I can't believe you are really acting so sour just bcuz I have a beef with the visuals. Funny how nothing can be critiqued in the presence of a CoD elitist... You are a waste of my time.

I love how calling you out on your inaccuracies makes me a call of duty "elitest" Bahaha!! Did you miss where I said I don't even like the game that much and think IW is a weak multi platform developer? LoL you're too funny dude...I guess you're just bent because someone called you on your inaccurate BS

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[Inzane2050]

Troll elsewhere, kid.

[Metfanant]

Troll elsewhere, kid.

Haha! Oh I love that you're so bothered by being called out...

Who is trolling here? Certainly not me...you're the one who came intonthw thread spreading inaccurate information about something you have non knowledge of...

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[TEJ2025]

of course it looks LIKE MW2...again it uses the same engine...just like KZ3 looks like KZ2...and Uncharted 3 looks like Uncharted 2 and Uncharted...or Halo Reach looks like Halo 3...they use the same engines...but the graphical improvements from one to the next are there...just like from MW to MW2 to MW3...

im not trying to make them sound like their obvious...if you actually read what ive said you would notice that ive said they are not changes that slap you in the face, but there are significant improvements to the visuals of the game...

i have simply been defending the game against those that incorrectly state that the engine has not been given any sort of updates since CoD4...

I think you're confusing what I'm saying with other people. The engine they use now Is different but it isn't a big enough of an improvement between MW2 and MW3 to tell a difference. The maps are really the only thing that let's you know that its different.

Also, if you seriously believe that any of the uncharteds have progressed visually like COD then you're just delusional. Uncharted and uncharted 2 are like 2 completly different games. And uncharted 2 and uncharted 3 wasn't as big a leap as the first and second but they are obviously two different games. Killzone 2 and killzone 3 look similar and that's also a reason why killzone 3 wasn't as a success in a lot of people's eyes as killzone 2 was.

where have i ever said that the games don't look similar?...they use the same base Infinity Ward Engine...of course they are going to look similar as do all sequels that use the same engine...my point has simply been that the engine HAS been improved and updated...the graphics HAVE been improved from game to game (except BLOPS which used the IW 3.0 engine from CoD4/W@W)

Again I never said the engine hasn't been updated its just that when a game looks so similar that could pass as a previous version of a series then to me that's a problem. BLOPS is more different then the MW series but it's still too similar for me.

SOURCE

I don't really trust that site but I guess facts are facts lol

thats impossible...the game will perform the same from copy to copy unless there is a hardware issue with your console...

unless of course you're talking about online...then it could just be a crappy connection lol...

I have the slim edition and it's not even a year old yet so I doubt it's my console. And I was talking about online. I haven't even touched the story mode and most likely won't. Lol

[Inzane2050]

Haha! Oh I love that you're so bothered by being called out...

Who is trolling here? Certainly not me...you're the one who came intonthw thread spreading inaccurate information about something you have non knowledge of...

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If you learned to read my comments properly, you'd realize you are barking at the wind, trolling me bcuz I don't praise the game head to toe.

[Metfanant]

I think you're confusing what I'm saying with other people. The engine they use now Is different but it isn't a big enough of an improvement between MW2 and MW3 to tell a difference. The maps are really the only thing that let's you know that its different.

but there have been improvements...just because they are not eye popping doesn't mean they are not there...improvements to texture streaming, environment scale, water effects, and lighting are significant improvements while also improving the performance of the game as a whole...

Also, if you seriously believe that any of the uncharteds have progressed visually like COD then you're just delusional. Uncharted and uncharted 2 are like 2 completly different games. And uncharted 2 and uncharted 3 wasn't as big a leap as the first and second but they are obviously two different games. Killzone 2 and killzone 3 look similar and that's also a reason why killzone 3 wasn't as a success in a lot of people's eyes as killzone 2 was.

regardless they still "look the same" and it just helps my point...

Again I never said the engine hasn't been updated its just that when a game looks so similar that could pass as a previous version of a series then to me that's a problem. BLOPS is more different then the MW series but it's still too similar for me.

BLOPS looked different mostly because it was sandwiched between MW2 and MW3...

BLOPS uses a modified version of the IW 3.0 engine that powered CoD4 and W@W...so the engine versions went 3.0 (cod4)--> modded 3.0 (W@W)--->4.0 (MW2)---> modded 3.0 (BLOPS)--->5.0 (MW3)

BLOPS was a backwards step engine wise in the progression of the series thats why it may have looked so "different" to the eye...

I don't really trust that site but I guess facts are facts lol

trust them or not they are simply measuring performance...the numbers dont have opinions, they just are what they are...

I have the slim edition and it's not even a year old yet so I doubt it's my console. And I was talking about online. I haven't even touched the story mode and most likely won't. Lol

well thats a whole different beast...thats not framerate issues you're seeing...its connection issues...the game seems to be skipping frames because the information is not being communicated between your console and the "host" fast enough...

play the campaign...its butter smooth...especially if you have it for the 360 which IW's engine has always performed better on sadly...

If you learned to read my comments properly, you'd realize you are barking at the wind, trolling me bcuz I don't praise the game head to toe.

not in the least...the hilarity comes from the fact that you think im some CoD fanboy lol...the reason i continue to point out your inaccuracies is not because you don't praise CoD...but because your statements in this thread have been lies...

there is nothing really brilliant about CoD outside of its basically butter smooth engine performance and its summer blockbuster fun campaign (as long as you're able to step off your high horse and appreciate the game for what it is, and not what you want it to be)...

the series visuals have never been the best in its genre...the gameplay is solid, but certainly nothing groundbreaking...the developers themselves are quite mediocre (being nice) when it comes to multiplatform development...the story is certainly not oscar worthy...their level design (MP) is uninspiring...their willingness to innovate is non-existent...their ability to balance weapons is well...not good...and their spawning system is just plain broken...

should i continue with more to show you that im no raving CoD fanboy?...the game isn't perfect by any means...

what it has is a solid gameplay formula that works...it performs well, and is accessible to all...its campaign mode won't win any awards for character development but plays out like a summer blockbuster and should be taken as such...

i have no problem with knocking the game for a lot of reasons...the issue arises when completely false comments are made...

[F34R]

is anyone surprise by this. just like madden, they really milking this game to death.

and Mario, FF, FIFA, Hockey, NBA, countless other franchises.

so improving the streaming tech to allow for larger scale environments, and lighting improvements are not visual updates now?...

come on man...

I hate defending IW, but they took a stance early on with their games this gen that they would not sacrifice performance for sheer visual fidelity and they have stuck to it...being dead set on 60fps keeps them quite handicapped with what they are able to do in regard to other areas of the visuals...there is a reason that KZ and Uncharted only run at 30fps...

Exactly... I'll just sum this up because I had a shit load of posts quoted; Met absolutely buries the argument that the engine hasn't been updated, and that the falsehood of "the graphics haven't been updated". The game has made substantial improvements in almost all areas.