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Last edited by mistercrow; 01-24-2012 at 23:09.
Sony is doing the exact same thing with Move to boost sales. Practically every casual Move game on the PS3 is a knockoff of the Wii titles.
yeah, good point.
MS is tapping the casuals and getting those big sales.
Neither company has a failing strategy, so I don't look at it like that. MS just doesn't rely on 1st party exclusives, while Sony uses those as a strong draw to their system which historically has had substandard (in comparison to most titles) ports of 3rd party games. Before the sharks jump that comment, that is a pretty indisputable fact that the PS3 has been shafted with plenty of half assed, or underperforming titles in the 3rd party realm. No fault of Sony's or MS... that blame rests solely on dev's backs.Imagine something witty here
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Sony does have a crap load of exclusives, and some very good ones as well. Since the underlying theme of this thread is MS IP's (exclusives) and their importance, or lack thereof, one would think that the PS3 would be crushing the 360 by now. So how important is a crap load of IP's, or is a good solid core of handful of IP's really all that is necessary?
Last edited by mistercrow; 01-25-2012 at 00:12.
As for future features that add to the gaming experience, I can't really list specifics, but I'm sure MS has a whole subdivision based on/dedicated to collecting input from gamers and developers to base new features on.
You also forget that the goal isn't just to copy what a competitor has done, but to do what they do better. From what I've seen, sony hasn't been doing that with any of their software. That is the downside of a hardware company competing with a software company.
Just because you don't own a windows phone, doesn't mean others wont. Windows phone is a major threat to android and the iphone. It takes the best philosophies of either side and unites them. That will become more and more lucrative as people tire of the fragmentation and chaos of android as well as the lack of options with the iphone. I'm sure you'll come around in time.
Just on the software side there is a lot of things they can work on to improve the kinect experience with the existing hardware. When you combine that with better hardware a few years into the lifecycle of the next xbox then you pretty much have all the solutions there.
Also Kinect doesn't have to replace the controller, that's not what I'm implying, however it can supplement it substantially.
I find it funny that you state you aren't suffering from anything when your words say otherwise. The only way MS and Sony can exist in the console realm is to target Hardcore gamers from day 1 of a new console launch. There is no other way for them. Nintendo rules the casual market. Suggesting that MS may continue the course they are currently on with the 360 for the next xbox is as absurd as somebody stating that the Hardcore gamers will all pick up wii u's for the improved hardware/better graphics it will have over the ps3/360 neglecting to wait for the successors for those two consoles. Like nintendo hopes they would, which won't happen.
I don't know what more you need but mynd did a good job of explaining MS's strategy. It's pretty clear they know what they need to do to be successful. Their track record only makes this statement more evident.
People said the original xbox would flop and MS had no business in the console market. But they did fairly well and established their brand. They also created the first broadband only online game service which further solidified their existence.
Then with the 360 they outdid sony which seemed like an impossible task last generation.
Now they just have o eclipse Nintendo which shouldn't bee too hard considering that the wii u offers casuals little more than the original wii.
MS doesn't get involved in a segment to lose, the do it to win and be #1/at the top.
Also it doesn't matter if those features are in the PS4, it matters how well though out and implemented they are.
Last I checked you could link your psp to the ps3 to do certain things and that didn't go anywhere.
And no, Vita doesn't offer something you can't get with the xbox. I have little reason to believe MS won't be bringing full xbl arcade games to WP7 and connect phones to each other through xbl.
Obviously when a new peripheral as different as kinect comes out it will take time for developers to get used to it and be able to do meaningful things with kinect. That's why they focused on casual games first because those were the easiest to modify to make use of kinect. Hardcore games are much more difficult, though we are seeing progress with games like Ghost Recon Future Soldier and Mass Effect 3.
You aren't likely to see proper seamless kinect integration till the next generation. (Though MS could do something with Halo4)
My forecasts are based on history, what more could you want.
There is no point to stick with the one that keeps going when they are facing bankruptcy by doing so.
You conclusion is flawed.
I made a point in an earlier post that if sony didn't have exclusives and tried to compete with the xbox as a multiplat console it would fail. Funny enough, even with exclusives they are behind the xbox. What does that say.
Also the online experience still isn't at the same level as xbl now. I doubt that's going to change much in a year or 2.
You were right about the cash though, and MS will have more than ever before.
Finally I'm not looking at sony from 10 years ago. I start with the launch of the ps3 in 2006 to the present. And I don't see much.
Perhaps if sony actually leveraged marketing properly to sell its exclusive games I might be impressed. But the only explanation (which is a pathetic one) is that due to number of exclusives available gamers would obviously buy less. The problem with that statement is that Sony's exclusives aren't all in the same genre, or target the same segments of the gaming market.
It is highly unlikely to find a gamer that would buy all of sony's exclusives in a year or even a majority of them. Most people are only interested in a few games each year, they couldn't care less about the others.
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Second, I was explaining myself, which I feel is the appropriate thing to do instead of merely allowing someone else do it for me.
Third, the same question was posed again for rhetorical purposes.
Just don't act like a jerk if you don't like my posts. Either ignore me or block me. There is absolutely no reason for an attitude like that.
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Not really. The Smartphone market would be constrained with only two competitor OS's. With the demise of palm and symbian and the sunset on RIM, MS has a gap which it can step into and grow from.
As for my faith in MS, they haven't given me much of a reason to question them these last few years.
I don't see any scenario where Windows Phone does anything except stay in last place vs Android and iPhone. I doubt it'll make any significant headway. That being said, its integration with Live probably will have minimal impact on the gaming scene.
Dead as in coming back from windows mobile 6.5.
Zune hardware died because there wasn't any point in trying to take over the pmp market when it was in decline due to smartphones/tablets.
The zune software and marketplace lives on and can be found in WP7, the 360 and windows pc's.
Do you really think MS is just going to piss away billions of dollars on windows phone.
They learned from their mistakes, and know what their (as well as their competitors) weaknesses are.
Make no mistake MS is going for the jugular.
Just like how you dismissed sony's tablet design as awkward and then reneged on it when you actually tried it out, WP7 will be the same way.
It already attracted a bit of attention at CES:
MS is saving the exclusives to launch with there upcoming console the 720. Exclusives are needed to launch a new console as the 360 lifecycle is counting down exclusives aren't needed.
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One of apples biggest competitors is creative labs, they pretty much gave up entirely.
There is no point in chasing down that market when it is on the decline. Look at any financial reports/summaries, ipod sales are in decline:
Hell apple sold more ipads than all ipods. And its only been on the market for 2 years vs 10 for the ipod.
What I mean about zune is that the hardware may not have picked up but the software and media store live on and are continuing to grow.
I gave some reasons why MS would displace competitors in the smartphone market, why don't you list some reasons why they won't.
My point with the sony tablet is that you made a statement that the design was junk, but once you tried it, you liked it. It isn't about whether it sells well or not, but whether the engineers actually made the tablet better in some way rather than the same basic design used bu everybody else.
Have you ever used a WP7 phone, I feel that if you do you will change your tune. It even got the recommendation of Tut as an alternative to the iphone.
I laugh at how fast you dismiss those videos. There are no live widgets for those other phones. That's reality. SO you have move in and out of different apps to do those tasks. Yet here is WP& which makes these commons task simpler and faster, yet you dismiss it.
The point of the smartphone is to connect you to the rest of the world in a method that is straightforward and fast as possible. WP7 does that in ways android and ios don't.
It doesn't have to be a live widget. One app, that sends the same status to all your social networking sites is all that is needed. You just have to configure the phone. Those videos are PR stunts, nothing more. No, I've not used a Windows Phone. I can't find anywhere to even try one out.
Will it compete? Sure... how much penetration into the Andriod/iPhone market will we see? I doubt it makes too much a dent.
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