Remedy's message to Alan Wake PC pirates: "enjoy the story!"

[F34R]

Oh yeah, I forgot. You are all "Down with businesses and the economy of the working man! Piracy is our right as children to do as we please!"

Don't try and read too much into my response that you replied to. Your post was funny, so I posted accordingly.

Im still going to pirate it. I wasn't going to buy it anyways so i might as well pirate it.

Might as well.

[Seahawkk]

Don't try and read too much into my response that you replied to. Your post was funny, so I posted accordingly.

Might as well.

i dont understand how people can be so against pirating. if you would actually take a look at my steam library you would see i support the gaming industry plenty. I am not going to buy a game that i am not sure i will enjoy.

[BoyBettaKnow]

Watch videos, read reviews. I buy games all the time i'm not sure i'll like.

Pirating because "I don't know if i'll like it" doesn't make your excuse any more valid than the next. As Goo said, if your not happy with the price, wait until it's at a price point your happy with. If your not sure if you'll like the game there are probably thousands of videos on YouTube and reviews you can read to get the point of the game and to see if you'll like it or not.

[Ghost-Rhayne]

People bitch and moan about DRM and other annoying PC necessities...yet they are quite content to "try the game before i...erm...buy it" or get it because "i was never gonna buy it anyway so they didn't lose a sale" point.

[Minnzy]

Where did I say no-one buys a game after they pirate it? Don't bother trying to answer that, it's a non-issue and a weak justification tactic (both morally and intellectually).

There is not a single argument that justifies gaining access to a product using dishonest means. I apologise if calling a spade a spade is something you have difficulty in dealing with.

Currently, I don't think Alan Wake is worth the money they're asking for and will wait until it's sub £10. Should I steal it now because I know I'm going to buy it later?

Correct answer: No.

Kinda just wrote up a massive response to this but realised due to this post being so blind and chest beatingly arrogant almost every second word that pointed it out could have been reported as insulting since... well it was sorry mate, you're not some all mighty moral gaurdian, you're foolish and blind and you should really stop promoting blind faith in a product and only support those who deserve it.

You'll respond to this with more chest beating and arrogance ofcourse and due to this I'll do my standard leaving of a thread, you failed to put forward a valid argument and have shown all you wish to do is appear (failing to do so) superior to others

[John25]

I gotta hold my hand up and admit I pirated it last night ,Great looking game on Max settings

But thats real Classy of them to say that!!, I only played the first part so far ,but would happily purchase it & the next game when I got the funds.

When you use phrases like 'when I got the funds' it clearly suggests you currently don't have them. If money's not an issue, don't try and indicate it is.

You care enough to reply. But heh, steal away and try to justify it. You'll fail every time.

Don't use statements like 'behave yourself' either, it makes you look like a hypocrite.




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Where in my post did I try make an Excuse for Pirating the Game ??

I Simply said that It "Was good game that I would Happily purchase it when I got the funds", Not that I Pirated it for that Reason ,but you just had to try and play the good guy with you're "If you cant afford it don't Pirate it attitude"

Anyway this is done.

[BoyBettaKnow]

Where did I say no-one buys a game after they pirate it? Don't bother trying to answer that, it's a non-issue and a weak justification tactic (both morally and intellectually).

There is not a single argument that justifies gaining access to a product using dishonest means. I apologise if calling a spade a spade is something you have difficulty in dealing with.

Currently, I don't think Alan Wake is worth the money they're asking for and will wait until it's sub £10. Should I steal it now because I know I'm going to buy it later?

Correct answer: No.

Kinda just wrote up a massive response to this but realised due to this post being so blind and chest beatingly arrogant almost every second word that pointed it out could have been reported as insulting since... well it was sorry mate, you're not some all mighty moral gaurdian, you're foolish and blind and you should really stop promoting blind faith in a product and only support those who deserve it.

You'll respond to this with more chest beating and arrogance ofcourse and due to this I'll do my standard leaving of a thread, you failed to put forward a valid argument and have shown all you wish to do is appear (failing to do so) superior to others

We must be looking at different posts because i can't see any reason why he needs to be reported for that post. His post raised valid points that pirates don't want to hear. You want to use/play a product? Then pay for that product.

[*goo]

Kinda just wrote up a massive response to this but realised due to this post being so blind and chest beatingly arrogant almost every second word that pointed it out could have been reported as insulting since... well it was sorry mate, you're not some all mighty moral gaurdian, you're foolish and blind and you should really stop promoting blind faith in a product and only support those who deserve it.

You'll respond to this with more chest beating and arrogance ofcourse and due to this I'll do my standard leaving of a thread, you failed to put forward a valid argument and have shown all you wish to do is appear (failing to do so) superior to others

Overall message of your post is absolutely not true. Happy for you to point out the arrogance in the general message of saying you should pay for a product you want, not steal it. I'll concede I've been pretty direct but skirting around the issue is useless when people carry this attitude of self-entitlement.

You are right on me not being a 'mighty moral guardian' and I've never claimed to be such. That said, if I want to give my own view-point on the matter as well as a pointing out the terrible attitude towards gaming (that results in horrible practices like DRM that hurt legitimate customers), and a flawed argument to defend it then surely I'm free to do so? If you're happy to rebut, I'm all ears.

For example, is it wrong to be aggrieved that crippling DRM is forced on legitimate paying customers (of which I am one) because people have an arrogant sense of self-entitlement that makes them think they don't have to pay for something?

On that note, I'm interested in your explanation on how paying for a product is foolish, blind, promoting blind faith and not supporting those who deserve it. Why doesn't Remedy deserve payment for the product they made?

Finally, it's interesting that you've essentially reduced yourself to using veiled insults whilst claiming I'm being insulting - slight tinge of hypocrisy there, is there not? Happy for you to report my posts and let a Moderator deal with it, of course.

[F34R]

DRM doesn't protect a companies IP. Period. What does protect that IP is a good product, with a good price, and adequate delivery system. /thread

[*goo]

Totally agree but there's often the injection of DRM into a game because of the need to think about protecting it. Still only hurts legitimate custom, and potentially the business.

[F34R]

Those that weren't going to buy it, can still play it. Those that are going to buy it, would do so. There's absolutely no business sense in including DRM for these games. NONE. Legitimate customers have been dissuaded against buying a product because of the DRM. Often times, legitimate customers have taken to the cracked exe files to use with games THEY BOUGHT so that they can at least play the game on the same level as people that didn't buy the product. It's fucking stupid to include DRM.

[admartian]

I gotta hold my hand up and admit I pirated it last night ,Great looking game on Max settings

But thats real Classy of them to say that!!, I only played the first part so far ,but would happily purchase it & the next game when I got the funds.

Agree.

This is how I became a Civilization series fan on the original windows 3.11. I think the floppy disk I was given was pirated (i don't remember exactly I was around 6 I think) and now I am enjoying my EB games-bought copy of CIV5 GOTY edition.

I think it's just the era we live in. Ideally, everone should be able to pay. But sometimes for whatever reason you can't.

[admartian]

Those that weren't going to buy it, can still play it. Those that are going to buy it, would do so. There's absolutely no business sense in including DRM for these games. NONE. Legitimate customers have been dissuaded against buying a product because of the DRM. Often times, legitimate customers have taken to the cracked exe files to use with games THEY BOUGHT so that they can at least play the game on the same level as people that didn't buy the product. It's fucking stupid to include DRM.

+ rep (unofficially).

I've had to do this with a number of games, Bioshock 2 and Borderlands GOTY, to name a few.

And also, there are times where a pirated/cracked exe actually makes the game run (LA Noire not launching for example).


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[Soldier 95B]

We wouldn't have DRM if people would stop fucking stealing shit that isn't theirs.

[Rapture]

We wouldn't have DRM if people would stop fucking stealing shit that isn't theirs.

That's backwards thinking. We wouldn't have DRM if companies and developers chose to recognize reality and change their business model. By including DRM, they punish only their customers. Piracy has little to do with it.

[F34R]

We wouldn't have DRM if people would stop fucking stealing shit that isn't theirs.

That's just incorrect.

We've already seen it time and time and time again. DRM doesn't stop piracy....

Those that want to BUY something will do so, regardless of whether they can get it for free or not. People that don't want to pay for something will either download it for free, or not even bother. Where does DRM fit into either of those two scenarios? That's what I thought. It doesn't. DRM doesn't stop, hinder, prevent, slow down, or otherwise dissuade piracy. I'll say it ONE MORE TIME; DRM doesn't stop piracy. PERIOD.. FACT, etc.

[Inzane2050]

DRM doesn't stop piracy....

Indeed, but that's only bcuz pirates put a lot of effort into cracking and distributing the game. Another fact to add along side yours is that pirating games does not encourage developers to not try so hard to protect theirs IPs with heavy DRM.

There are over 200,000 active PC gamers out there and yet the sales never show it for very clear-cut reasons. And to add, there was only actually a game that released with no DRM, and it ended up being one of the most pirated games even tho it was not even a popular title. So DRM does indeed hinder piracy; it is simply the heavy DRM that we start to drift away from that sweet spot. I think even you, F34R, would not disagree that some DRM is better than no DRM.

[F34R]

I disagree. No DRM would be immensely better than any DRM. That's just the simple truth of it. What does DRM accomplish?

DRM doesn't hinder shit except letting legitimate users play the fucking games. The simple fact of the matter is that people that are going to pay for it, WILL pay for it. DRM doesn't affect that one bit. The people that aren't going to pay for it, won't pay for it, DRM or not. That's a fact jack.

[Inzane2050]

I disagree. No DRM would be immensely better than any DRM. That's just the simple truth of it. What does DRM accomplish?

DRM doesn't hinder shit except letting legitimate users play the fucking games.

You are misunderstanding what I mean by "some DRM." I'm talking about the old DRM back when you simply could not copy the game, not the new "Online Required" DRM. And you still very wrong in saying "No DRM > DRM." There are great examples out there of such games that would be tickled silly by what you just said.

[F34R]

We aren't talking about yesteryear because that wasn't ever a problem. We are talking about the kind of DRM that cripples games, etc., today's DRM, not the "input code" crap. So yes, none of todays DRM crap would be better than some of todays DRM crap. There, hope that's clear enough.

[Inzane2050]

No DRM is still worse than any of today's DRM. You should look into it if you can and see.

[F34R]

I don't think so at all. I think the facts speak for themselves.

What game with todays DRM has stopped piracy, or even made a dent in hindering piracy?
What DRM solution today has hindered legitimate buyers from using the products they paid for?

There's your answer.

[Lethal_NFS]

All DRM does is give the hackers a little something to do before they crack the shit out of the game lol. DRM does not actually stop anything.

[Inzane2050]

I don't think so at all. I think the facts speak for themselves.

What game with todays DRM has stopped piracy, or even made a dent in hindering piracy?
What DRM solution today has hindered legitimate buyers from using the products they paid for?

There's your answer.

They don't just speak; they sing...
http://i.joystiq.com/2008/11/13/worl...0-piracy-rate/

[*goo]

Whoops. Didn't mean to start a DRM debate. My point was DRM is simply there to try (no matter how futile) and protect a product from being stolen.

If PC piracy wasn't such an issue I doubt we'd have the level of protection attempts we do.

And it's only legitimate custom that's hurt. Not self entitled theives.


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