Remedy's message to Alan Wake PC pirates: "enjoy the story!"

[Inzane2050]

Acquiring a product or service without paying the owner is stealing. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

Society would not prosper from mutual agreements. Unless every moving body was part of such a coalition, it would be at a lost. Also money makes the world go round, and you should remember that. What you are getting into would fit better into a socialistic society; Meaning Socialism, aka the opposite of Capitalism.

Also I would like to ask if you would go as far as to consider that stealing a game disc is not stealing the game and that you are just stealing a worthless 5¢ plastic disc they unreasonably priced at $60. If there is no wrong in pirating a game, then stealing a worthless plastic disc that took 5¢ to stamp shouldn't be a bother either.

And lastly, good video games would no longer exist without IPs around; they would all be done by amateurs who simply have nothing better to do.

[F34R]

Everything from pencils, to computers, to video game consoles, to pharmaceutical drugs has been built on either sharing ideas and technology, or what the law calls copyright infringement due to reverse engineering. Period. The free flow of information wouldn't kill that off. It'd change the role model that capitalism plays in the development of things, but it certainly wouldn't halt it.

[TEJ2025]

Actually, if a law violates your constitutional rights, it is null and void and you are not bound to it. They call it civil disobedience for a reason.

Civil disobedience will get you put in jail. Ask any civil rights activist about it.

[Soldier 95B]

Well what I have learned here today is that I can take anything I want and it should be ok.

Our society as we know it is indeed in the shitter I am sad to say.


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[F34R]

Well what I have learned here today is that I can take anything I want and it should be ok.

Our society as we know it is indeed in the shitter I am sad to say.


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It's up to you to decide what is ok for you, and what isn't. I think everyone can agree on that.

[BoyBettaKnow]

I honestly don't understand how this discussion is still going on.

By downloading something that should've been paid for FOR FUCKING FREE your taking it without consent. Don't give me this bullshit about "oh we'll, I'm not taking it from anyone I'm downloading it" you didn't have the permission to take it in the first place and you especially didn't have the rights to duplicate it!

I'm honestly baffled how any of you are trying to defend it as some form god given right that your able to go about taking shit you have no right to take.

As for laws if you choose not to accept this law and live as a 'freeman' pretty sure you have to give up other things in life (NHS, emergency services, the roads pretty much anything governed by laws and acts) because if you accept one law, you accept to be governed by them
All. This isn't like sweet pic'n'mixes that your free to choose what laws apply to you and what don't.

Keep on trying to explain how it's perfectly fair/viable for companies to release games, music or movies and expect it to get pirated after all, they're the ones who enjoy making games for us for free. Idiots.

[Inzane2050]

There was once a man who believed DRM-free games have nothing to do with DRM-free games. How peculiarly convenient... This thread has been disappointing... And frustrating...

[F34R]

Keep on trying to explain how it's perfectly fair/viable for companies to release games, music or movies and expect it to get pirated after all, they're the ones who enjoy making games for us for free. Idiots.

Meh.. there's a lot of things in life that aren't fair. That's life, get over it. As far as it being viable, sure it is apparently. If it wasn't we wouldn't see these products still being released after the past 13 years of the "Industry" saying it is going to be bankrupt from piracy. Everyone here uses something they either didn't have permission to use, or didn't pay for....

[BoyBettaKnow]

It's not fair, your correct but it still doesn't give anyone the right to go about and pirate whatever they feel like and especially not to try and defend it as something that is right and owed to them. I'm not going to disagree with you, most people, including myself has things they've pirated (I've downloaded the first few seasons on Sopranos because i've been told i need to watch it but if i like it enough after the first season i'll end up buying it as it's probably cheap by now, most if not all my music is legit as i spend money on vinyl as you can't beat the quality with digital and it's pretty much impossible to find new releases anywhere else but on legit sites, they often give you an incentive to buy from them also) but whenever i've pirated things i've known full well that what i'm doing isn't legal - i don't try to act like it's something thats owed to me.

I know for a fact that if i wouldn't have been able to download some of the Sopranos as easily as i have i would've went out and just bought the complete box set. But because i have been able to get it for free (for the time being) i have opted to do that.

I'm not going to say that for every pirate it = 1 loss sale, i'm not that naive but to say that piracy doesn't effect sales of anything is equally as stupid. I'm not here to judge if you want to pirate stuff or not, that's your prerogative but i know many people in the music industry who are effected by piracy and i can see how it hurts them - For that reason i try not to pirate anything. I work and earn my money and i feel like i owe it to everyone else who earns their money from my purchases to do so legitimately.

But as i said, if you feel like you deserve to pirate whatever you want because you deserve to as a consumer, go ahead and be my guest. If this thread has shown anything is that we all have different views and we aren't going to be changing anyone's opinion on the matter anytime soon.

[F34R]

I'm not going to go back through five pages of discussion, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone said that they are owed free shit to download from companies. People do it because it's easily accessible and free; not because of some sort of self entitlement complex.

[BoyBettaKnow]

No one said that directl. The way people are acting 'I always want to try before i buy' and arguments along the lines of those are people saying they pirate because they deserve to try the game before they buy it. And in my eyes, thats wrong. We have so many different forms of information mediums available to us that it's probably the most petty argument.

So no, no one said directly they are owed shit, but their opinion on the matter says it loudly enough.

edit: spelling.

[Morganator]

Civil disobedience will get you put in jail. Ask any civil rights activist about it.

Depends on the civil disobedience and the persons involved. I didn't say it wouldn't land you in jail. Sometimes, there are people who believe passionately enough about a given matter that they practice civil disobedience. They may go to jail or they may not.

[Rapture]

Well what I have learned here today is that I can take anything I want and it should be ok.

I've yet to see anyone say that.

Our society as we know it is indeed in the shitter I am sad to say.

Yeah, this is why society is "in the shitter". Sure, why not.

It's up to you to decide what is ok for you, and what isn't. I think everyone can agree on that.

I think most people don't fully realize that they're individuals, or how society actually functions.

[Soldier 95B]

I've yet to see anyone say that.



Yeah, this is why society is "in the shitter". Sure, why not.



I think most people don't fully realize that they're individuals, or how society actually functions.

You are 19, you havent experienced life or society yet. See us in another 20 years.

TapaTit

[Rapture]

You are 19, you havent experienced life or society yet. See us in another 20 years.

TapaTit

With each dismantlement of your arguments, you've jumped to a new subject. You have failed to address and debunk my points, and now you're resorting to ad hominem.

[Inzane2050]

Socialism leads to technological stagnation. That is how society works.

[Rapture]

This topic isn't about economic systems. I do hope you realize that.

[Soldier 95B]

With each dismantlement of your arguments, you've jumped to a new subject. You have failed to address and debunk my points, and now you're resorting to ad hominem.

I started with facts, but you resorted to personal opinions and beliefs. It's a black hole conversation as far as I am concerned.

[Inzane2050]

Well this topic apparently isn't about piracy or DRM so I'm not too concerned, haha. Tho I was just mentioning Socialism bcuz you talked about how a world with "shared ideas" can prosper technologically.

[itachi73378]

Socialism leads to technological stagnation. That is how society works.

That's a bold statement. I wouldn't go that far.

This topic isn't about economic systems. I do hope you realize that.

I don't see how it isn't. The first thing that everyone thinks of when piracy is brought up is economic impact. After that all the 'free info and rights' stuff gets involved.

[Rapture]

I started with facts, but you resorted to personal opinions and beliefs. It's a black hole conversation as far as I am concerned.

No, I used logical arguments. Personal beliefs played little part in it.

Well this topic apparently isn't about piracy or DRM so I'm not too concerned, haha. Tho I was just mentioning Socialism bcuz you talked about how a world with "shared ideas" can prosper technologically.

You must have forgotten what topic we're in; the opening post contains an article where Remedy comments on piracy. Additionally, you must have very little faith in humanity if you think cooperation doesn't equal progress. I'm truly baffled at how you think.

That's a bold statement. I wouldn't go that far.

I don't see how it isn't. The first thing that everyone thinks of when piracy is brought up is economic impact. After that all the 'free info and rights' stuff gets involved.

So how about that communism, guys?

[TEJ2025]

Depends on the civil disobedience and the persons involved. I didn't say it wouldn't land you in jail. Sometimes, there are people who believe passionately enough about a given matter that they practice civil disobedience. They may go to jail or they may not.

This happens all the time and if they break a law because they are showing civil disobedience they can be placed in jail.

My point was that just because you don't agree with a law doesn't mean you can break it. If you disagree with the laws against murder but murder someone you will be placed in jail (if caught). Just like if the government (US government) catches you pirating games, movies, music etc. they can fine you and place you in jail regardless of your feelings towards that certain law.

[Inzane2050]

No, I used logical arguments. Personal beliefs played little part in it.



You must have forgotten what topic we're in; the opening post contains an article where Remedy comments on piracy. Additionally, you must have very little faith in humanity if you think cooperation doesn't equal progress. I'm truly baffled at how you think.



So how about that communism, guys?

I'm not the one who actually forgot. To be honest, I got criticized for being on the subject of DRM and piracy. That is why I said "apparently."

Money is reward. Without a system that rewards your hard work, no one seek to strive. And that is why Socialism is stagnation. Socialism rewards the lazy and punishes the honest working man; it completely defeats the purpose of the existence of money. Society needs money to exist.

[Rapture]

Money is reward. Without a system that rewards your hard work, no one seek to strive. And that is why Socialism is stagnation. Socialism rewards the lazy and punishes the honest working man; it completely defeats the purpose of the existence of money. Society needs money to exist.

*yawns dramatically*

[Soldier 95B]

*yawns dramatically*