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    Quote Originally Posted by PeanutButterMunky View Post
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    ...Uh, no.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulgotha View Post
    ...Uh, no.
    [...] It does not mean males have to like it.
    Maybe I misconstrued something.
    "The biggest adversary in our life is ourselves. We are what we are, in a sense, because of the dominating thoughts we allow to gather in our head. All concepts of self-improvement, all actions and paths we take, relate solely to our abstract image of ourselves. Life is limited only by how we really see ourselves and feel about our being. A great deal of pure self-knowledge and inner understanding allows us to lay an all-important foundation for the structure of our life from which we can perceive and take the right avenues.

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    true... But my opinion is my opinion on this

    And that is that... We are free to type are opinions here and have a back and forth conversation about set topic at hand and that is what i am doing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeanutButterMunky View Post
    Maybe I misconstrued something.

    What I meant by that was, just because it might make good business sense for companies to do this does not mean men have to sit idly by and accept it. We're allowed to get upset.

    This is a discussion less about business and more about the western society we find ourselves in. Where the male is constantly degraded and placed second to females. Women are elevated at the expense of men.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulgotha View Post
    What I meant by that was, just because it might make good business sense for companies to do this does not mean men have to sit idly by and accept it. We're allowed to get upset.

    This is a discussion less about business and more about the western society we find ourselves in. Where the male is constantly degraded and placed second to females. Women are elevated at the expense of men.
    Ahh I see. I agree with you completely. Men are really getting overshadowed these days for unnecessary reasons. It really needs to stop. The feminist movement for equal rights was great, but now men are turning into women and women are taking over... and the original purpose of that movement has been lost. It's nauseating.
    "The biggest adversary in our life is ourselves. We are what we are, in a sense, because of the dominating thoughts we allow to gather in our head. All concepts of self-improvement, all actions and paths we take, relate solely to our abstract image of ourselves. Life is limited only by how we really see ourselves and feel about our being. A great deal of pure self-knowledge and inner understanding allows us to lay an all-important foundation for the structure of our life from which we can perceive and take the right avenues.

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    Agreed completely, and in that spirit I feel compelled to post this. This gentlemen writes various semi-humorous articles, mostly focusing on economic matters (ergo his name) but he occasionally drops a gem here and there on social issues.

    Sandy Hingston's Lengthy Post



    Permit me some light-hearted sexist joking here:

    Q - How can you tell Sandy Hingston's article was written by a woman?

    A -
    Because it's 6 pages long.

    Yuk yuk yuk yuk.

    Just kidding.

    Ms. Hingston, I'm afraid has wandered into the Manosphere. Of course, like most women, she is unaware of the lengthy psy-ops battle that's been going on, and I fear will be ripped to shreds by some of our lieutenants in the Manosphere. However, if you read her writing, she genuinely is asking an honest question and is unaware. Not really condemning men for "not manning up," as much as asking why.

    We've been here before with Kay Homiwitz (sp?), so I'll try to be a bit more brief and keep it under six pages, but still address and answer all of her questions, or rather, the questions of the women/girls she cites in her article. The "you" is not specifically referencing Ms. Hingston, but is a general "you" referring primarily to women in general as well as the emasculated men that I also hold accountable for the current environment men in this country face:

    1. You destroyed the industrial economy by voting for politicians to over-regulate and make everything green. We all can't be "elementary school teachers" or "social workers" because, unfortunately, somebody actually has to produce the stuff that the economy needs, depends upon and is made of. Sadly, government services seem to be the only thing that is "environmentally safe enough" to be deemed worthy of existing in this economy. Let me know when you're willing to put a president in the office that would let the XL Pipeline through.

    2. You've villainized profit, excellence, and risk taking in the economy which are predominantly male traits and are the primary reasons America rose to its economic dominance like it did. You swallowed whole this egalitarian outcome BS instead of egalitarian opportunity. Socialism is here, whether you realize its economic manifestation or not, and that more or less shuts down the economic incentive men have to produce.

    3. You've destroyed any incentive men have on a romantic level through feminism and ignoring their needs, if not also
    villainizing male sexuality, which:

    a. Destroys their incentive to find a wife, have kids, and therefore work for a family, which in turn means they only need to produce essentially a third of what they used to, to survive
    b. Makes getting married and having a family too risky a venture (which once again forces them to go the easier route of just supporting themselves)
    c. All of which means "getting by" with a low paying job, not "manning up" and getting high paying careers.

    4. Hey, don't you guys predominantly keep voting to raise taxes? And doesn't that not only take away more money from men who work predominantly in the private sector to pay for your make-work public sector jobs? Let me see, go to school for an engineering degree, make $80,000 gross, $55,000 net and have people hate me because i'm "rich" OR, get a degree in journalism, live at home, gross $30,000, net $25,000 and save my youth and effort and attend an OWS event.

    5. You want men to have jobs? Are there any to have? Taxes are so high, as are regulations, that they're driving companies offshore LEAVING NO JOBS! I love 8.6% unemployment/ 15% U6 unemployment! Hey, while we're at it, let's borrow another trillion for social programs and defunct "green" companies and spend more money on an
    education bubble! If you want men to man up, how about you study some basic economics and vote accordingly to provide the economic environment in which men can man up?

    6. What did you think would happen when the first full generation of men raised by single moms hit the dating market? NOW you want "real men?" Sorry, they're all mama's boys. Oh, and the rough and bad boy type you want? Ritalin kind of vaccinates boys against that.

    7. "Hey Dad, I remember you going through divorce and seeing you eat out of a can. That must have really sucked! What's that dad? A vasectomy costs $1,000 while divorce and children cost $500,000? Gee, thanks dad! I'm sure glad I learned from your mistakes! I'm never getting married and am going to bang on my drums all day and I'll STILL come out ahead financially!"

    I guess I could go on, but it frankly gets tiresome because these girls just don't seem to get it. You ignore men, male psychology and male sexuality, you put the entire focus of society on women and completely ignore the other half of the population. And after 40 years of that men will go away and abandon their male roles. They will become myopic in their approach to sexuality and interacting with women, and they will change their behavior to benefit them the most with the least amount of risk and the highest amount of reward.

    The only question I have is instead of speculating about why or complaining, why don't women just go and ask the guys? They'll tell you the answer...or is it women are afraid of the answer?

    Regardless, the whole debate though is actually quite moot. The clock cannot be turned back to the 1970's and undo the social changes that were started back then. Additionally, most of the men I know and run into have adapted to the environment that was laid out for them and most of them are happy. It really seems to be the women who have trouble with men staying home, playing video games all day, drinking beer and being Peter Pan forever. I don't think most men have a problem with that all.

    Alas, perhaps girls, you could learn something from my boys or at least gain insight into their psychology:

    Boys, see if you can finish my sentence:

    "Boys, you know what to do. It's time to ________ _____ _______!"


    Also if you try to read the source article he is responding too (Sandy Hingston:http://www.phillymag.com/articles/th...oung_men/page1 )... Well it's annoying. The woman writing it means well (I think) but it's obnoxious all the same. What's worse are the comments from the feminists on that page too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PeanutButterMunky View Post
    Ahh I see. I agree with you completely. Men are really getting overshadowed these days for unnecessary reasons. It really needs to stop. The feminist movement for equal rights was great, but now men are turning into women and women are taking over... and the original purpose of that movement has been lost. It's nauseating.
    Here's a good example of that

    http://ca.shine.yahoo.com/see-contro...155510760.html


    Breastfeeding activists in New Zealand raised so much of a stink over an ad featuring a dad bottle-feeding his baby that the New Zealand government actually decided to edit the image above out of the ad.


    While the government's decision could be viewed as a victory for La Leche League, which protested the ad, some observers have concluded that the decision is a sad day for dads. If a father is going to be involved in the feeding of his new baby, it's only going to happen through a bottle. Even in many families where the baby is drinking breast milk exclusively, Mom is often pumping milk to allow others -- including Dad -- to feed the baby breast milk through a bottle. So, to state the obvious: An ad showing a dad bottle-feeding a baby doesn't mean that the child isn't drinking breast milk. (We won't get into the fact that parents should be allowed to make feeding choices without being judged.)


    The New Zealand case was even more peculiar because the ad was actually part of an anti-smoking campaign. (Watch the ad below.) It had nothing to do with the breast versus bottle debate. But La Leche League still didn't approve of the bottle-feeding image it appeared to promote. The ad features New Zealand rugby player, Piri Weepu, playing with his adorable children -- a six-month-old and a toddler -- while in the voice-over he talks about why he won't ever smoke.


    New Zealand Health Ministry’s chief adviser, Pat Tuohy, told the New Zealand Herald that the fall-out has been rough on Piri Weepu. "Piri by all accounts is a great dad and a terrific guy," Tuohy said. "Probably of all of the people who've been damaged he's probably had the hardest time in all this because he's just been doing what any Dad would do in his situation."

    Check out the Facebook page started to bring back the image and watch the ad here

    God forbid a man to take care of his child.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DreDayDetox View Post
    God forbid a man to take care of his child.
    ...

    Yeah, no kidding. That's retarded.
    "The biggest adversary in our life is ourselves. We are what we are, in a sense, because of the dominating thoughts we allow to gather in our head. All concepts of self-improvement, all actions and paths we take, relate solely to our abstract image of ourselves. Life is limited only by how we really see ourselves and feel about our being. A great deal of pure self-knowledge and inner understanding allows us to lay an all-important foundation for the structure of our life from which we can perceive and take the right avenues.

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    Here is a presentation with a bit more substance on the subject of objectification in the marketing world.

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    Theres a Dr Pepper commercial that sayss "It's not for women." The whole things is about men being men blah blah. When I see things like that I think men joke about it with women. Like I said to my girlfriend "Wow, that was a great commercial." And she got offended. Then I told her I was just joking blah blah.

    But it seems when these kinds of commercials are done against men...it's serious. Like women take pride in not having doors held for them and they're like "Well, I'll just do it myself.

    These commercials are a joke anyway. They act like men wouldn't risk their lives to save a woman. Like on a boat....women and children first. Yeah, on the occasion I'm on a ship and I have to die in the place of a woman b/c it's the "correct" thing to do...forgive me if I'm in a hurry and I don't hold the door for you once every few months.

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    How was that commercial sexist?...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inzane2050 View Post
    How was that commercial sexist?...
    B/c according to that commercial women do all the work and men don't do $#@!....which is unfair and untrue. And the commercial wasn't being funny about it.

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    People have no sense of humor. Gah! Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inzane2050 View Post
    How was that commercial sexist?...
    My question too. All I saw was a satirical advert playing with the saying "chivalry is dead". I'm surprised anyone could read anything into that lol.

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    I find men have a different attitude towards sexist jokes - both against woman and men. They tend not to care. Well, personally even if an advert is anti men, it can still be funny..
    The problem is that adverts which are anti women, even if funny tend to create a massive up roar by feminists.

    The thing is, I bet most men aren't offended by this ad, or anti men adverts in general, it's just we feel we should be able to take the piss out of both men and women, not just men.... but it seems to be okay to take the piss out men, but not women.

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    Advertiser know that female are motivated by add, so they are always on behalf of female.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost-Rhayne View Post
    My question too. All I saw was a satirical advert playing with the saying "chivalry is dead". I'm surprised anyone could read anything into that lol.
    How is it satirical? It's plainly showing that men aren't chivalrous. Lots of women think this and have pride in this so they take on the world themselves.

    I come from a place where, as boys, we are taught to always hold the door open....for anyone really, but women especially. Always be polite to women. All that stuff. But it seems women have this general thought that men in general are useless.

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